Shankly or Fergie? Who's better?

Who's the best?

Billy Davies.

Roy Hodgson.

No one take the bait and let the thread die.

Polish Manager is better.

No actualyl they are thousand times worse.

Thread killed tho, so yay Poland.

Raymond Domenech.

Can't we have a serious topic on this forum?

2 class managers, both manager 2 great rivals


I want a good structured argument as to who you think is better

No you dont..

Umm imho shankly
cos ive heard more about him tbh but fergie is an amazing manager and to turn united in to the club they are now is simply incredible

Need for Speed: Tokyo Drift

Sir Alex Ferguson. He built his team(s) up. Shankly had a lot of work done for him form Paisley. Both good managers for what they have achieved, but Ferguson gets it for me.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:Sir Alex Ferguson. He built his team(s) up. Shankly had a lot of work done for him form Paisley. Both good managers for what they have achieved, but Ferguson gets it for me.

Anyone want to point out the error?.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:Sir Alex Ferguson. He built his team(s) up. Shankly had a lot of work done for him form Paisley. Both good managers for what they have achieved, but Ferguson gets it for me.

Shankly came before Paisley.

Dan wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:Sir Alex Ferguson. He built his team(s) up. Shankly had a lot of work done for him form Paisley. Both good managers for what they have achieved, but Ferguson gets it for me.

Anyone want to point out the error?

School boy error there

Oops, my bad.

ZlatanFabregas wrote:Oops, my bad.

So basically... your argument is invalid

Cam wrote:

ZlatanFabregas wrote:Oops, my bad.

So basically... your argument is invalid

Yes.

Shankly's losing ffs 3 votes to 6

Jord wrote:Need for Speed: Tokyo Drift

I would buy that the second it was released.

I will now leave this thread and not return. I have brought great shame upon my self.

For silverware = Ferguson.

But Shankly's work was a lot more impressive.

Ferguson went to a club in the top division hoping to be at the top or thereabouts, with the sudden influx of cash from SKY just forming and turned them into top division winners.

Shankly took a club that was in a fucking state from the second division and turned them into first division champions. This in a time where the playing field was a lot more even, makes it even more incredible.


Perhaps a closer comparison would be Paisley v Fergie, but then when you compare their trophy:time in the game ratio, Ferguson gets blown out of the water.

We were shit until Fergie came, he nearly got sacked in his first few games and now look at him

moscowmadeit3 wrote:We were shit until Fergie came, he nearly got sacked in his first few games and now look at him

Rumour has it that when Man United came to Hereford in the FA cup back in 1990 he was on the brink of being sacked but he went on to beat us and subsequently won the FA Cup that year IIRC

Blackmore scored a goal late on for Man United.

Radford11 wrote:

moscowmadeit3 wrote:We were shit until Fergie came, he nearly got sacked in his first few games and now look at him

Rumour has it that when Man United came to Hereford in the FA cup back in 1990 he was on the brink of being sacked but he went on to beat us and subsequently won the FA Cup that year IIRC

I've heard that too. Didn't they score in injury time against Hereford or something like that?

SBSP wrote:

Radford11 wrote:

moscowmadeit3 wrote:We were shit until Fergie came, he nearly got sacked in his first few games and now look at him

Rumour has it that when Man United came to Hereford in the FA cup back in 1990 he was on the brink of being sacked but he went on to beat us and subsequently won the FA Cup that year IIRC

I've heard that too. Didn't they score in injury time against Hereford or something like that?

Yeah just updated my OP, Blackmore scored late on.

Weren't it the semi-final where they scored a late goal or something to go through, and if they hadn't they'd have sacked him?

Dan wrote:Weren't it the semi-final where they scored a late goal or something to go through, and if they hadn't they'd have sacked him?

Not sure, like i said it was only a rumour i've heard on the net.

Considering what Ferguson did with not only MU but Aberdeen as well, I'm inclined to say him.

Ferguson's Honours whilst at Man United

* Premier League (11): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09

* FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04

* League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10

* FA Charity/Community Shield (9): 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010 (* shared)

* UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08

* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91

* UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991

* Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999

* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

59.14% win ratio.

Shankly's honours whilst at Liverpool

* First Division, Champions: 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73; Runners-up: 1968–69, 1973–74

* Second Division, Champions: 1961–62

* FA Cup, Winners: 1965, 1974; Runners-up: 1971

* UEFA Cup, Winners: 1973

* European Cup Winners Cup, Runners-up: 1966

* FA Charity Shield, Winners: 1966, 1974; Shared: 1964, 1965

* 1973 English Manager of The Year

52.19% win ratio.

Paisley's honours whilst at Liverpool

* First Division, Champions: 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83; Runners-up: 1974–75, 1977–78

* European Cup, Winners: 1977, 1978, 1981

* UEFA Cup, Winners: 1976

* FA Cup, Runners-up: 1977

* Football League Cup, Winners: 1981, 1982, 1983; Runners-up: 1978

* European Super Cup, Winners: 1977; Runners-up: 1978

* FA Charity Shield, Winners: 1976, 1979, 1980, 1982; Shared: 1977

* Intercontinental Cup, Runners-up: 1981

56.12% win ratio.

Looking at just silverware and not things such as legacy left to the club etc. then Ferguson is the better manager.