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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:33 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:Calm down? There's no rage in my posts, just amused scorn. The 'wee man' line is just a sorry attempt to curtail the trajectory of superiority in this debate.

    If Brown needed a hip replacement it would have been made clear by now. He doesn't have a 'disease,' he has an injury. Which as Lennon has made clear an operation will fix. That's me done on this subject.

    "curtail the trajectory of superiority" Does not make your point any better, But I would have let it go, if you actually spoke like that in all of your posts. Which you don't. rofl

    Brown doesn't need a hip replacement now, you neep. He will need one at some point though. Usually with these injuries they wait until old age to replace them, for obvious reasons.

    And correct again, he doesn't have a disease. He has a degenerative cartilage and muscle injury. One that cannot be fixed by operations. Injections and operations merely postpone a replacement in most cases, which is purpose of his op.

    Lennon was a cracking player, and a he's a great manager, but if you're going to discount medical fact just because he tells the fans that their club captain and cult hero's injury isn't as bad as it sounds, then you need to waken up. Laughing

    It's clear you haven't read the link I provided.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:38 am

    Your link was in regards to degenerative joint 'disease.' Which Brown does not have. You also said he would need a hip replacement before he could fully recover. Also wrong. All he needs is an operation.
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    Post by SBSP Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:44 am

    Conor, you are a cancer to this forum.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:49 am

    SBSP wrote:Conor, you are a cancer to this forum.

    Was there any need for you to get involved?
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:50 am

    SBSP wrote:Conor, you are a cancer to this forum.

    And you are an abortion of a Celtic fan. Have you even made a single Celtic related post in the last few days? Nothing, not even on transfer deadline day. rofl Just talking about the EPL, as usual, in your hopeless quest to become a mod.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:57 am

    Saw this on Talkceltic.

    Spanish second tier comfortably a better standard than the SPL and he managed 14 goals in 23 starts. As well as 4 in 3 in the Copa Del Rey.

    In 09/10 and 10/11 he struggled to get regular starts because Deportivo mainly played one up and Adrian was first choice. No real shame in that considering Adrian's went on to score 20+ goals for Atletico last season. Despite that he still had a better goals to minutes ratio than Adrian in La Liga for those two seasons.

    And in 08/09 he finished runner up to Busquets for the Jugador Revelación (Breakthrough Player) award despite only being promoted from the B squad in January.


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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:53 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:Your link was in regards to degenerative joint 'disease.' Which Brown does not have. You also said he would need a hip replacement before he could fully recover. Also wrong. All he needs is an operation.

    You are hopelessly ignorant. No wonder even Jela destroys you in arguments.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:06 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:Your link was in regards to degenerative joint 'disease.' Which Brown does not have. You also said he would need a hip replacement before he could fully recover. Also wrong. All he needs is an operation.

    You are hopelessly ignorant. No wonder even Jela destroys you in arguments.

    Says the guy who has been wrong about literally everything that has unfolded this week. I find that statement astounding considering the way this argument has gone. I've embarrassed you. You are painfully inferior to me in articulating yourself, which in your case is a hopeless enterprise anyway considering the lack of validity to your thoughts.
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    Post by SBSP Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:07 am

    You know, all you've said is "you're wrong about everything" without even saying why.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:10 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Totti wrote:

    You are hopelessly ignorant. No wonder even Jela destroys you in arguments.

    Says the guy who has been wrong about literally everything that has unfolded this week. I find that statement astounding considering the way this argument has gone. I've embarrassed you. You are painfully inferior to me in articulating yourself, which in your case is a hopeless enterprise anyway considering the lack of validity to your thoughts.

    I don't feel embarrassed. Tbh, there's one person in this argument that has provided evidence and facts, and one person who is basing their entire argument on a quote from a football manager.

    And I've said it before, using these words that you've never used in posts before does not make you more intelligent. They teach you that in Standard Grade, if you've reached that far.


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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:10 am

    SBSP wrote:You know, all you've said is "you're wrong about everything" without even saying why.

    I assume you're talking to me, only because you have a grudge though - otherwise the lack of grounds to your statement would be inexplicable. On Lassad I have been very clear and even been proven correct about my original stance on him (Totti calls it luck Laughing). On Brown I have firmly stated my support of what Lennon has said on the matter. Thus, I'm not quite sure how you can level that criticism against me.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:11 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:

    Says the guy who has been wrong about literally everything that has unfolded this week. I find that statement astounding considering the way this argument has gone. I've embarrassed you. You are painfully inferior to me in articulating yourself, which in your case is a hopeless enterprise anyway considering the lack of validity to your thoughts.

    I don't feel embarrassed. Tbh, there's one person in this argument that has provided evidence and facts, and one person who is basing their entire argument on a quote from a football manager.

    I have been proven correct about Lassad and you have resorted to calling me 'wee man.' Who the fuck should feel embarrassed? Laughing
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:14 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    SBSP wrote:You know, all you've said is "you're wrong about everything" without even saying why.

    I assume you're talking to me, only because you have a grudge though - otherwise the lack of grounds to your statement would be inexplicable. On Lassad I have been very clear and even been proven correct about my original stance on him (Totti calls it luck Laughing). On Brown I have firmly stated my support of what Lennon has said on the matter. Thus, I'm not quite sure how you can level that criticism against me.

    Shot yourself in the foot there. Laughing
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:15 am

    Totti wrote:

    And I've said it before, using these words that you've never used in posts before does not make you more intelligent. They teach you that in Standard Grade, if you've reached that far.

    That might hurt more if my fluency of argument hadn't been substantiated by my offer to study Philosophy at Bristol University.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:17 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:

    I assume you're talking to me, only because you have a grudge though - otherwise the lack of grounds to your statement would be inexplicable. On Lassad I have been very clear and even been proven correct about my original stance on him (Totti calls it luck Laughing). On Brown I have firmly stated my support of what Lennon has said on the matter. Thus, I'm not quite sure how you can level that criticism against me.

    Shot yourself in the foot there. Laughing

    I genuinely don't understand why? He is a manager who has never lied to the fans in his tenure and has the backing of a capable medical team that has evaluated Brown. I doubt both your medical credentials and your awareness of the requisite specifics of the situation.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:18 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Totti wrote:

    And I've said it before, using these words that you've never used in posts before does not make you more intelligent. They teach you that in Standard Grade, if you've reached that far.

    That might hurt more if my fluency of argument hadn't been substantiated by my offer to study Philosophy at Bristol University.

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Philosophy??? Do yourself a favour and sign up for Burger King now. Laughing

    And it's not hard to get into Philosophy, for fuck's sake. Neither is it something to be proud of.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:22 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:

    That might hurt more if my fluency of argument hadn't been substantiated by my offer to study Philosophy at Bristol University.

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Philosophy??? Do yourself a favour and sign up for Burger King now. Laughing

    And it's not hard to get into Philosophy, for fuck's sake. Neither is it something to be proud of.

    I achieved full marks in my final Philosophy exam. Bristol, the 11th ranked university in Britain and a member of the Russell Group? That's something to be sniffed at?

    Btw, I also had an offer from Warwick, the sixth ranked British university.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:23 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Totti wrote:

    Shot yourself in the foot there. Laughing

    I genuinely don't understand why? He is a manager who has never lied to the fans in his tenure and has the backing of a capable medical team that has evaluated Brown. I doubt both your medical credentials and your awareness of the requisite specifics of the situation.

    Seriously, why are you only using these words now? In the hundreds of posts I've seen from you, none of them contain that sort of structure or language.

    You've just admitted that you are basing your entire argument on the words of a football manager, and dismissing the proof I'm giving you out of pure stubbornness. Seriously, if Brown recovers FULLY, with no problems AT ALL, after one operation, and goes on to play week in, week out until his mid thirties, I will write you a full apology. But he won't.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:24 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Totti wrote:

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Philosophy??? Do yourself a favour and sign up for Burger King now. Laughing

    And it's not hard to get into Philosophy, for fuck's sake. Neither is it something to be proud of.

    I achieved full marks in my final Philosophy exam. Bristol, the 11th ranked university in Britain and a member of the Russell Group? That's something to be sniffed at?

    Btw, I also had an offer from Warwick, the sixth ranked British university.

    Good for you. But the validity and usefulness of a fucking Philosophy degree is still zero. Smile
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:29 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:

    I achieved full marks in my final Philosophy exam. Bristol, the 11th ranked university in Britain and a member of the Russell Group? That's something to be sniffed at?

    Btw, I also had an offer from Warwick, the sixth ranked British university.

    Good for you. But the validity and usefulness of a fucking Philosophy degree is still zero. Smile

    And that's why influential politicians and lawyers have one? Not that I particularly care - I don't know what I'll be doing when I graduate. Somehow I doubt I'll be working in Burger King. But your assertion that it's easy to get into Bristol or Warwick to do Philosophy is very wide of the mark.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:30 am

    On the Broony thing,

    I think Broony will feature a lot less, and retire early. He will need a hip replacement but not until after he retires. the goal is to delay the replacement for as long as possible. I think Lenny means having an op or two to delay it. Then there's the other side of it. It could just be an exaggeration, but from the way it reads, it's serious.

    On Lassad, fair enough, Conor was right, Totti got it wrong.

    Doesn't really matter either way
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    Post by SBSP Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:32 am

    I got lost when you started talking about philosophy degrees.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:36 am

    The Maestro wrote:On the Broony thing,

    I think Broony will feature a lot less, and retire early. He will need a hip replacement but not until after he retires. the goal is to delay the replacement for as long as possible. I think Lenny means having an op or two to delay it. Then there's the other side of it. It could just be an exaggeration, but from the way it reads, it's serious.

    On Lassad, fair enough, Conor was right, Totti got it wrong.

    Doesn't really matter either way

    Yep, although I've no doubt you'll be branded stupid as well now. Smile

    On Lassad, I admit I was wrong, but there was very few people who weren't saying "deal's off, signed for Levante". No need to make out as it was some huge cock up on my part. Means nothing, anyway. Razz
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:39 am

    Brown does not need a hip replacement. This is not the debilitating disease Totti is making it out to be, merely an issue that would already have been resolved had Brown already undergone the operation. The reason he hasn't is that Lennon and/or Brown doesn't want to miss the CL games.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:43 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:Brown does not need a hip replacement. This is not the debilitating disease Totti is making it out to be, merely an issue that would already have been resolved had Brown already undergone the operation. The reason he hasn't is that Lennon and/or Brown doesn't want to miss the CL games.

    Not a disease. Thought you'd have grasped that by now.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:47 am

    Totti wrote:
    ConorCelticFC wrote:Brown does not need a hip replacement. This is not the debilitating disease Totti is making it out to be, merely an issue that would already have been resolved had Brown already undergone the operation. The reason he hasn't is that Lennon and/or Brown doesn't want to miss the CL games.

    Not a disease. Thought you'd have grasped that by now.

    http://www.healthscout.com/ency/416/577/main.html

    If not, why did you link me this as some form of proof that your assertions regarding the extent of Brown's injury were valid? It refers to 'degenerative joint disease.' I'm not the one claiming it's a disease - it isn't.
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    Post by Totti Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:52 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Totti wrote:

    Not a disease. Thought you'd have grasped that by now.

    http://www.healthscout.com/ency/416/577/main.html

    If not, why did you link me this as some form of proof that your assertions regarding the extent of Brown's injury were valid? It refers to 'degenerative joint disease.' I'm not the one claiming it's a disease - it isn't.

    Whoosh. Laughing

    I wonder if you'll be as defiant when I'm proved right?
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    Celtic's New Number 7: Miku
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    As the summer transfer window opened, it seemed that the general consensus among the Celtic support was that retaining Fraser Forster and adding both a centre back and a striker were the main priorities.

    Check, check and check!

    With his performances in the Champions League qualifiers, you could easily argue that big Fraser has already repaid the £2m or so that we paid to Newcastle.

    Our new Nigerian centre back, Efe Ambrose, seems to fit the profile of previous successful signings such as Victor Wanyama, Emilio Izaguirre and Beram Kayal; under 24, a regular international playing in a peripheral league and with a transfer fee of less than £2m.

    Nicolás ‘Miku’ Fedor is a very interesting signing. Personally, I’m rarely in favour of loan signings. If Celtic are to invest money in a player, I much prefer that there is the prospect of this money being recouped in the form of a future sale, which obviously isn’t the case with a loan. However, if the option is to spend the wages on Murphy and Bangura or Miku, the choice is obvious. We have reallocated the wages that were being spent on two players that clearly struggled to have an impact in the SPL, for someone who has consistently scored goals in the best league in the world.

    Those who watched his interview on Celtic TV will be impressed by Miku’s high level of English; it’s remarkably proficient for someone who has never previously lived in an English-speaking country. From the various interviews that I’ve seen, he appears to me to be an articulate, intelligent and confident individual.

    Last year during the Copa America, he openly berated his own sponsor, Adidas, for their unprofessionalism in not supplying the Venezuelan team with sufficient clothing to cope with an Argentinian winter. On another occasion, Miku was very critical of the education policy of the Venezuelan government. While I do not actually agree his viewpoint in the latter case, I think that both incidents seem to demonstrate that he is quite a thoughtful and confident individual. It would be rare for a British footballer to have specific criticisms of British government policy, for example…or God forbid, criticise a sponsor.

    As well as English and Spanish, Miku also is conversant in Hungarian. His paternal grandparents fled to Venezuela from Nazi-occupied Hungary during the Second World War. His heritage is a clue to his nickname; Miku, deriving from Miklos, the Hungarian version of his first name.

    As a 15 year old boy he was spotted by scouts while on holiday in Europe. He apparently impressed in trials at Real Madrid, Villarreal and Valencia, opting for the latter and he’s been living and playing in Spain ever since. For the next few years he played youth football with small, provincial clubs in and around Valencia before being loaned out to Salamanca in 2005. This was his breakthrough season, as he scored 20 goals, helping them to be promoted to the Segunda División.

    Miku was then loaned to Gimnastic and Murcia, as well as playing for Valencia Mestalla, effectively Valencia’s reserve team that plays within the Spanish league structure. Referring to this spell back on the east coast of Spain, Miku made a frank admission to the Spanish sports newspaper, Marca, ‘What I regret is that after my first spell with Salamanca, mentally I just wasn’t there. I didn’t live for football and I was thinking that I’d have a guaranteed future and that I was going to be worth a place in the team. But professional football is so competitive, there are a lot of things that you have to do on a daily basis to maintain yourself among the elite and I struggled to understand that and learn that and it cost me practically two years of my career.’

    After failing to make an impact, Valencia allowed him to go on loan once again to Salamanca. As before, Miku excelled at El Helmántico, being Salamanca's top goalscorer again, this time with 15 goals.

    Following Miku's second successful spell at Salamanca, Valencia then decided to bring him back and incorporate him in their full squad as a back up for David Villa, but only used him sporadically. Miku’s most notable contribution was scoring a hat-trick against Stabaek of Norway in the Europa League. However, pretty soon he was at yet another club, Getafe, in the southern suburbs of Madrid. It was here that Miku has really established himself.

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    For the past two and a half years, the Venezuelan has been a regular in La Liga. Furthermore, last year, Miku Fedor was Getafe’s top goalscorer in La Liga with a respectable 12 goals.

    What type of player is he? Well, we shouldn’t expect spectacular flicks, tricks or dribbles. Miku is a different type of player; he is more effective and clinical, rather than being spectacular. Just from watching him on TV, I'd say he's 6 foot or so and at the risk of sounding like Peter Lawwell, he's quite robust. Sometimes when watching Miku I often want a little bit more from him, as though he is almost playing within himself. Perhaps though that is just aesthetics, because he definitely has a good work ethic and is pretty selfless when I've watched him for Venezuela.

    He is accustomed to playing on the counter-attack for his national team. The Venezuelan can drop back and link up well with midfielders and full backs making forward runs. I think he’s quite adept at receiving passes into both his feet or body and retaining possession or coaxing the opposition defender to foul him to gain a free kick for the team. He’ll be far less effective chasing long, hopeful punts upfield-although he has decent pace, I wouldn’t say that he’s rapid.

    It’s been remarked that he can play as a winger, as well as being a forward. He can but in my opinion he’s far better as a typical ‘number 9’ type striker…even if he’ll be wearing number 7.

    To get the best out of Miku, we’ll want to give him the ball in or around the box, as I think the three best aspects of his game are his clinical and potent finishing, his ability to receive the ball and ‘roll’ the defender and his noticeable composure and calmness when he has an opportunity.

    I’ve not seen much of him at all with Getafe, but I’ve watched just about every Venezuela game in the last 3 or 4 years. Venezuela have a distinct, defined style in South America; they are quite pragmatic, play on the counter-attack and are direct. Furthermore, their impressive young coach César Farías places an emphasis on set-pieces and for the forwards to really press the opposition centre-backs. I feel that this is particularly significant, as Miku might well have a similar role for Celtic when we play in the Champions League, especially for away games.

    Miku himself probably best describes his tactical role when playing for Venezuela, ‘In the national team, the forwards make a really big defensive effort. We run a lot when defending without the ball and goal chances are less than normal but we are conscious that this function can achieve success for the national team in a collective sense.’

    And it has brought success.

    This is the best moment in Venezuela’s footballing history and Miku is a key part of this success. He’s been in the team that reached the Copa America semi-finals, drawing with Brazil along the way. Miku helped Venezuela earn their first ever victory against Argentina last November, and more recently in June he played for Venezuela as they earned a draw against Uruguay at the old Estadio Centenario in Montevideo. Our new Venezuelan has scored 10 goals in 40 games for his country. To put this in the context of South American international football, Carlos Tevez has scored 13 in 59 for Argentina and Radamel Falcao, 11 in 37 for Colombia, respectively

    Celtic have signed a La Liga regular and an established international entering his peak. Miku is used to playing intense, competitive games against the best players in the world…and getting good results from these games. Let’s hope that he can do the same for us.

    Suerte Miku!
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:05 am

    I thought there was something about him seeing his first interview. Comes across as a bit different from most footballers, and the fact he came here as well isn't something a lot of La Liga stars would do.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:13 am

    God damn international break Neutral

    This is going to be shite

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