Will be the diving champions at Euro 2012?

Trent wrote:Probably Spain.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:
Ok let's presume he was looking to go down and he's fully aware of where Ivanovic is, why is he going to dive when Ivanovic is nowhere near him? Surely the chances of him converting that goalscoring opportunity are greater than him getting a penalty by diving with nobody in close proximity of him?

Are you really that thick? I never once mentioned Ivanovic is nowhere near him.

What I did say is he knows that Ivanovic is behind him and obviously not a ridiculous distance away. Along with Ivanovic not being in a good enough position to attempt a proper tackle. That's all. I never once said he knew the exact position of Ivanovic but implied that he had a general idea. To him, Ivanovic could potentially be right up his arse or 4-5 feet away.

If this wasn't the case, there would be significantly less pressure on him and he would be somewhat more calm and relaxed if it was just him and the keeper.

I'll repeat it again that I never say Ivanovic is nowhere near him. If I did, please provide a quote.

Edit: I just ran through my old posts. Never said such a thing. Your theory is based on the presumption I said Ivanovic is nowhere near him. Without that, it makes no sense.


Anyways, these are my presumptions

1. He knows that Ivanovic is within a few feet of him or right up his arse. Could be either of the two.

2. The goalkeeper is rushing out. If he doesn't think he can get to the ball and finish the chance with the pressure of Ivanovic and the goalkeeper rushing him, diving and hoping for a pen is his best option.

I'm 'losing'? Ok

A personal insult other than the usual arse, cunt, etc. is a sign of someone using a logical fallacy known as Ad hominem. I'm sure you've heard of it.

You're attempting to negate the truth of my claim (i.e. being in a similar situation myself) by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief in me. It's common when the other person has the upper hand in the argument or is pissing his "opponent" off.

Do you seriously think Adrian winning a penalty was going to get himself picked over Torres, Negredo or Soldado? He could of scored 7 yesterday and he still wouldn't of been picked so you are just clutching at straws with that.

You really are that thick. I said for potential future consideration. In his case, more friendlies. Of course, his league form has a more significant affect on that though. I never said it would improve his chances at Euro 2012 when the squad was already decided and he's nowhere as good as the other Spanish striking options.

Hang on, you said Ivanovic was nowhere near Adrian and he knew this himself apparently but now Ivanovic is 'right behind him' make up your mind. Adrian is a very good finisher did you see him for the Spain U21's last year or this season where he has 19 goals despite not playing in his favoured role which Falcao occupys? Don't try bluff me with shit like that when I have seen a lot of Spanish football this season.

He wasn't close enough to make a proper tackle. That's what I said. I never said he knew "Ivanovic was nowhere near him." Why would say that? Ivanovic was near him. All Adrian knew was he was somewhere behind him. Whether he was right up his arse or within a couple of feet can't be known for sure like I've already stated. That's why he went in for the dive. He had a general idea Ivanovic was close to him. If he knew Ivanovic was yards and yards behind him, he wouldn't have dived.

Adrian is a decent player with future potential but he's no world class finisher like I already stated. If he was, he would have made the Euro 2012 squad ahead of Llorente, Torres, Negredo, etc. However, that's not the case and Soldado would have likely made the squad in front of him anyways if one of the other forwards didn't.

He also only has 7 goals in 36 matches of league play even if he's not playing in his favored role. That's not good enough for a very good forward "finisher" even if he's not in his favored role.

Just because you've watched some more Spanish football, doesn't mean I haven't. Are you presuming I don't watch other leagues besides the Premier League or something and that your infinitely more knowledgable about Spanish football than myself? Quite a bold claim and one that stinks of egotism.

Theo Filippo wrote:
Since I can't be bothered to reply to this I will just address some of the questions you asked:
Are you really that thick? - No I am exceptional.

Again, is a dive really going to get him considered for future squads when he has already been picked for that squad? No.

Playing in a wide forward role quite frequently is a perfectly fine reason for him not getting that many goals, if anything it's a similar role to the one Eto'o played for Inter under Mourinho where the team was designed to get the best out of Milito like it is to for Atletico to get the best out of Falcao, Eto'o only got 16 goals that year and he's hardly a shit finisher is he?

Then when he started as a striker for the Spain U21's he won the Golden boot and for his age he's matched or done similar to what Soldado, Negredo, Villa and even Torres (of 08/09) have done goal's wise at 24 and they were all very good finishers.

No to the first, yes to the second, I am infinitely more knowledgeable than you in regards to everything relevant in football.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:
Since I can't be bothered to reply to this I will just address some of the questions you asked:
Are you really that thick? - No I am exceptional.

Can't be bothered but you still respond with quite a bit? Nice choice of words.

"No I am exceptional" translates to I am that thick and I don't give a shit about it or anything you say.

Again, is a dive really going to get him considered for future squads when he has already been picked for that squad? No.

No, but that was a plausible explanation for why he dived. That combined with him already scoring a goal would reflect on him well for future call ups for friendlies. It wouldn't guarantee anything but it would help his cause. Not to mention it would help cement Spain's lead for the match and ease the pressure on the rest of the squad even if it only is a friendly.

Playing in a wide forward role quite frequently is a perfectly fine reason for him not getting that many goals, if anything it's a similar role to the one Eto'o played for Inter under Mourinho where the team was designed to get the best out of Milito like it is to for Atletico to get the best out of Falcao, Eto'o only got 16 goals that year and he's hardly a shit finisher is he?

Yes, for not getting many goals but 1 goal every 3 matches is perfectly possible playing a wide role for a decent finisher. He couldn't even manage that. Anyways, I never said he's shit at finishing. Just that he's not world class. Although, I don't particularly rate him.

Then when he started as a striker for the Spain U21's he won the Golden boot and for his age he's matched or done similar to what Soldado, Negredo, Villa and even Torres (of 08/09) have done goal's wise at 24 and they were all very good finishers.

Okay? What is your point? Now you're talking the thread even more off topic in some attempt to prove your "superior" knowledge of La Liga football. It's called red herring. A common tactic in a debate that reflects poorly on its user.

I said he's not a world class finisher and that was mostly because I was emphasizing there was no guarantee he would score. The same would apply to a world class finisher but less so.

No to the first, yes to the second, I am infinitely more knowledgeable than you in regards to everything relevant in football.

I don't know whether to laugh it off or take you seriously to be honest considering your prior and even current posting trends.

At least be more creative in your attempts to gloat online.

Theo Filippo wrote:I never once claimed Ivanovic touched him, Adrian tripped himself up and thought Ivanovic had a kick at him hence why he appealed for it. Since you seem to be a psychologist why is it in Adrian's interest to intentionally go down in a friendly?

Theo Filippo wrote:
Note that if I actually addressed every point the post would of been 3 times longer, as I said before you aren't very bright are you? I have no idea what translations you use.

I'm certain he didn't dive so yeah I don't agree with that at all.

I've told you already the Atletico team is designed to get the best out of Falcao, same way in which the Inter team that was designed to get the best out of Milito, scoring half as many goals as Falcao did is a very good return again I'll compare that to the Inter team where Eto'o scored half as many as Milito, 19 in 55 is over a 1:3 so I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

Well, the points were in reply to you criticizing Adrian's goal return, obviously that's a good evasive tactic by me though! Who cares if this thread is going off-topic it had no real purpose, unfortunately you were accusing poor Adrian of 'ridiculous diving'.

You should take it seriously, not sure what trends you are talking about.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:
Note that if I actually addressed every point the post would of been 3 times longer, as I said before you aren't very bright are you? I have no idea what translations you use.

Yeah, because I didn't figure that in the first place. Your trolling abilities are rusty I see.

Fact is you replied to what you wanted to. You were on about me saying Ivanovic not even being close to Adrian and couldn't even prove that I ever said that. I responded and you act like it never happened. Pathetic.

I'm certain he didn't dive so yeah I don't agree with that at all.

It seems you're fond of Adrian or rate him. Personal bias deluding your objectivity? Based on what I've read, you really have followed his league play with Atletico Madrid.

I've told you already the Atletico team is designed to get the best out of Falcao, same way in which the Inter team that was designed to get the best out of Milito, scoring half as many goals as Falcao did is a very good return again I'll compare that to the Inter team where Eto'o scored half as many as Milito, 19 in 55 is over a 1:3 so I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

I'm talking about league play. WTF you on about? He (Adrian) has 7 in 36 since the beginning of 2011. Anyways, I don't give a damn or two shits about Adrian's footballing ability. If you want to discuss that, create a thread because I'm not discussing it further. All this shit because I don't rate him and said there was no guarantee he would score.

Talk about diving and its relation to Euro 2012 or GTFO out of this thread.

Well, the points were in reply to you criticizing Adrian's goal return, obviously that's a good evasive tactic by me though! Who cares if this thread is going off-topic it had no real purpose, unfortunately you were accusing poor Adrian of 'ridiculous diving'.

You should take it seriously, not sure what trends you are talking about.

I never originally criticized his goal return. I just said he wasn't world class and there is no guarantee he would have scored. You brought that shit up instead of replying to the key points I was making.

It does have a real purpose. See the thread title. So, talk about the topic. That means diving and its relation to Euro 2012. My discussion of Adrian diving was tongue in cheek in order to get some discussion started regarding the actual topic. I don't give two shits about Adrian's footballing ability. Obviously, you think he didn't dive and that's not going to change unless he admitted it himself.

Nah, I won't take someone so stubborn and egotistical seriously. Also, you're notorious for trolling Liverpool fans.

Theo Filippo wrote:I'm not trolling, I know you are still upset that I got you sacked as a mod on EA but that doesn't mean I'm trolling. Yeah I replied to what I wanted to because it's a tedious argument that neither side is going to budge in, you seem to think Adrian tripped himself up on purpose, I don't.

I think he's a very good player, I have no bias to him though even if that was Torres I would of said the same thing.

Well make that clear next time if you're talking about league play, He started about 25'ish of those 36 games and got subbed off quite frequently so it's still not that awful a return considering his role.

So if the comment about Adrian wasn't serious, you don't really believe he dived then? Great.

Such a shame you have to take things personal. I rarely troll anyway.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I'm not trolling, I know you are still upset that I got you sacked as a mod on EA but that doesn't mean I'm trolling. Yeah I replied to what I wanted to because it's a tedious argument that neither side is going to budge in, you seem to think Adrian tripped himself up on purpose, I don't.

You've insulted my intelligence and then followed with a smiley. That's trolling. I've hit back though so that's fair enough.

I'm not upset about anything. That was over a year ago. I'm too busy with my life to give a damn about that. I don't average 30 + posts on here or any internet forum like yourself. Yeah, I insulted your post count. I went that low but you went lower beforehand.

It's not that I'm not willing to budge but you have to provide a very good argument for me to do so since all the evidence points to the contrary.

I think he's a very good player, I have no bias to him though even if that was Torres I would of said the same thing.

Nah, seems like you have a bias from my view. In others words, you're defending him because you rate him. If it was Torres? I highly doubt that. Whatever though.

Well make that clear next time if you're talking about league play, He started about 25'ish of those 36 games and got subbed off quite frequently so it's still not that awful a return considering his role.

I did make it clear. In my original post, I said 7 in 36 in league play if I recall. If I didn't you should have been able to figure it out since you apparently follow Atletico so much. How the fuck would you know he started 25'ish of those games otherwise?

Anyways, don't give two shits about Adrian's ability.

So if the comment about Adrian wasn't serious, you don't really believe he dived then? Great.

Such a shame you have to take things personal. I rarely troll anyway.

Nah, most of my comments are serious. I just don't take you seriously but I still try to respond appropriately. I don't take things personally unless I'm personally attacked. In this case, I wasn't other than the petty insults so I didn't take it personally.

Sure you don't. You trolled like crazy on EA last year and still occasionally troll Liverpool fans on here.

Theo Filippo wrote:
I don't have a bias if it was Soldado or something fair enough, I don't even particularly like Atletico that much.

I read something on him 2 weeks that's how I know, also because Reyes was still there before January so he wouldn't of played out wide that much in the first half of the season.

Yeah, EA is shit though and no, I don't.

I don't know why Spain have so many votes they are nowhere near as bad as people make out.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:
I don't have a bias if it was Soldado or something fair enough, I don't even particularly like Atletico that much.

Well, then why are you busting your falls defending Adrian and saying that he did only not dive but he's quality.

You know what, forget that. I said I don't give a damn about Adrian and I really don't.

I read something on him 2 weeks that's how I know, also because Reyes was still there before January so he wouldn't of played out wide that much in the first half of the season.

Can you post the article? Sounds like bs.

Nah, just busting your balls. Don't understand why you read an article specifically about him. It couldn't have been big news of posted on the main football websites.

Yeah, EA is shit though and no, I don't.

You should have trolled real football and left it at that. FUT doesn't need trolling. It had enough phisers and idiots running amuck. Also, cut the crap Theo. You enjoy taking the piss out of Liverpool fans every now and then. Our team trolls itself though. No need to rub salt in our wounds.

I don't know why Spain have so many votes they are nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Well, on Spain, the main diver is Busquets. Other players on Spain I've seen diving are Torres, Iniesta, Pedro, Mata, etc.

In fact, if you google "spain national team divers", Busquets comes up.

Although, obviously the Netherlands, Portugal and England will give Spain stiff competition. Who are Germany's divers?

Theo Filippo wrote:

https://twitter.com/#!/Youngcules You can have a look through his twitter, I'm not looking for it it's at least 2 weeks old, wasn't specifically about Lopez it was about all of Spain striking options.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/86821/adri%C3%A1n-l%C3%B3pez-%C3%A1lvarez?cc=5739 Just found this though, have a look at appearances.

Busquets isn't much of a diver either, he made a ridiculous one against Inter, that's it, every team has divers though. For Germany probably Mario Gomez.

Kuled wrote:Filippo doesn't troll Liverpool anymore.

Gegilworld93 wrote:No idea how anyone can argue that Adrián didn't dive, looked more like a variation of the Fabregas kick yourself dive to me:

Gegilworld93 wrote:No idea how anyone can argue that Adrián didn't dive, looked more like a variation of the Fabregas kick yourself dive to me: