Will be the diving champions at Euro 2012?

Theo Filippo wrote:Where did I say he did? You aren't very bright are you.

Jamieb08 wrote:Who created the bubble? i see no creating of one bubble

Cam wrote:

Jamieb08 wrote:Who created the bubble? i see no creating of one bubble

You are creating all the bubbles at night
I'm chasing round trying to pop them all the time
We don't need to trust a single word they say
You are creating all the bubbles at play

Jamieb08 wrote:

Cam wrote:

You are creating all the bubbles at night
I'm chasing round trying to pop them all the time
We don't need to trust a single word they say
You are creating all the bubbles at play

Theo Filippo wrote:I never once claimed Ivanovic touched him, Adrian tripped himself up and thought Ivanovic had a kick at him hence why he appealed for it. Since you seem to be a psychologist why is it in Adrian's interest to intentionally go down in a friendly?

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Where did I say he did? You aren't very bright are you.

I'm emphasizing it to make a point. If Ivanovic did attempt a tackle, it would make his dive more believable. You have the mental capacity of a turd eh?

It's called thinking ahead and considering all the possibilities.

Cam wrote:

Jamieb08 wrote:

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Sorry for going offtopic.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I never once claimed Ivanovic touched him, Adrian tripped himself up and thought Ivanovic had a kick at him hence why he appealed for it. Since you seem to be a psychologist why is it in Adrian's interest to intentionally go down in a friendly?

First, you say Adrian tripped himself. Knowing that, he would be able to figure out that Ivanovic didn't kick him.

You do know, it's blatantly obvious when a defender gets a piece of your boot versus tripping over yourself?

I'm no psychologist. The ideas I'm postulating are pretty common for anyone who's ever thought about diving. Unless you dive without even thinking about it beforehand.

A game is a game. Adrian could have intentionally gone down for numerous reasons.

1. To give Spain a 2 goal lead and some breathing room. It's just a friendly but players still don't like to lose.

2. He knows he won't be a first choice in attack at Euro 2012 so why not attempt to earn a pen. He scored the first goal if I recall. So if he earns a pen, it will only work in his favor.

Theo Filippo wrote:He's watching the ball, he isn't aware of where Ivanovic is he probably thinks he is right behind him so when he trips himself up he thinks it was Ivanovic who has had a swipe at him, I'm sorry that you are seething for no particular reason. Thanks for proving my point though.

Theo Filippo wrote:

If you are going at full speed, no.. common misconception.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:He's watching the ball, he isn't aware of where Ivanovic is he probably thinks he is right behind him so when he trips himself up he thinks it was Ivanovic who has had a swipe at him, I'm sorry that you are seething for no particular reason. Thanks for proving my point though.

I didn't prove your point. Ivanvoic behind right behind him does further my point though that he dived knowingly. If he assumes Ivanovic is right behind him.

1. He would clearly know if Ivanovic got a piece of him. Unless, his 5 senses don't work and he can't feel of course.

2. If he trips himself up and Ivanovic is right behind him, it will clearly look like a foul to the ref who can't clearly see all the action.

3. I find it absurd that you can't think logically about this but use this flawed logic of: I'm right and you're wrong. How about you actually analyze all the possibilities?

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:

If you are going at full speed, no.. common misconception.

Theo Filippo wrote:aNot necessarily, I don't know why you keep thinking that he's sprinting at full speed, concentration is entirely on the ball and he has no reason to go down.

Theo Filippo wrote:

If you are going at full speed, no.. common misconception.

Yeah, so you claim.. I've had it happen to me before too.. great one obviously you are some slug who can't run at full speed.

I didn't need to address them and I can't factually disprove them and likewise.

I've seen the clip and I saw it live, the ball is all but his he has no reason to go down and if he knows Ivanovic is nowhere near him like you claim why is he going to go down intentionally? Just because the referee is too incompetent doesn't make it a dive.

ahlycotc wrote:If he intentionally kicked himself down without knowing where the defender is exactly positioned and he is one on one with the goalkeeper with a good chance of scoring, then he is an intelligent player. Taking in all those factors, processing them, and executing the self trip with that precession in that short space of time is impressive.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:aNot necessarily, I don't know why you keep thinking that he's sprinting at full speed, concentration is entirely on the ball and he has no reason to go down.

I never stated he is but you implied he was from your analysis. See here.

Also, he does have a reason to go down. There is no guarantee he will get the ball and score. Serbia's goalkeeper is rushing out as well. The pressure is on him to score now. Diving and hopefully earning a pen is the easy way out.

Theo Filippo wrote:

If you are going at full speed, no.. common misconception.

What is someone suppose to assume here? All signs point at you implying Adrian was going full speed so he didn't notice the difference between Ivanvoic getting him and tripping over himself.

Yeah, so you claim.. I've had it happen to me before too.. great one obviously you are some slug who can't run at full speed.

What a fucking arse. You're losing the argument so you insult my fitness. You don't know me you fucking cunt.

I didn't need to address them and I can't factually disprove them and likewise.

1. The facts are Ivanovic didn't touch him.

2. Ivanovic didn't attempt a tackle.

3. Adrian tripped over himself (intentionally or non-intentionally)

4. There is no guarantee Adrian would score.

5. Spain is only up 1-0. Adrian's first cap. He already has one goal.

6. He's not going to Euro 2012. Scored a goal in his first senior mens' team cap and earning a pen is good for future consideration.

http://tvnz.co.nz/football-news/torres-wins-place-in-spain-s-euro-2012-squad-4902342

I've seen the clip and I saw it live, the ball is all but his he has no reason to go down and if he knows Ivanovic is nowhere near him like you claim why is he going to go down intentionally? Just because the referee is too incompetent doesn't make it a dive.

Doesn't mean jack shit if the ball is is. He has to do something with it and the goalkeeper is closing in and Ivanovic is right behind him. Adrian is also not exactly renowned for his world class finishing. He's an okay player.

Diving and earning a pen is the easy way out if it works in his favor. He has every reason to dive. The fact that you can't see it is absolutely ridiculous.

Theo Filippo wrote:
Ok let's presume he was looking to go down and he's fully aware of where Ivanovic is, why is he going to dive when Ivanovic is nowhere near him? Surely the chances of him converting that goalscoring opportunity are greater than him getting a penalty by diving with nobody in close proximity of him?

I'm 'losing'? Ok

Do you seriously think Adrian winning a penalty was going to get himself picked over Torres, Negredo or Soldado? He could of scored 7 yesterday and he still wouldn't of been picked so you are just clutching at straws with that.

Hang on, you said Ivanovic was nowhere near Adrian and he knew this himself apparently but now Ivanovic is 'right behind him' make up your mind. Adrian is a very good finisher did you see him for the Spain U21's last year or this season where he has 19 goals despite not playing in his favoured role which Falcao occupys? Don't try bluff me with shit like that when I have seen a lot of Spanish football this season.

Glen Damon wrote:Theo ended him.

mac wrote:

Glen Damon wrote:Theo ended him.

I left for like 10-15 minutes so not really. Unless you care to point out where and using logical reasoning to support your claim.

Glen Damon wrote:

mac wrote:

I left for like 10-15 minutes so not really. Unless you care to point out where and using logical reasoning to support your claim.

I am incapable of logical reasoning, I rely purely on what I see and perceive, and I perceived an absolute annihilation.

mac wrote:

Glen Damon wrote:I am incapable of logical reasoning, I rely purely on what I see and perceive, and I perceived an absolute annihilation.

Glen, I'm genuinely interested in knowing where I was "annihilated." Please direct me to the quotes. I'm obviously not getting it.

Seems more like you're riding his dick than anything.

Glen Damon wrote:

Read that closely.

mac wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Where did I say he did? You aren't very bright are you.

I'm emphasizing it to make a point. If Ivanovic did attempt a tackle, it would make his dive more believable. You have the mental capacity of a turd eh?

It's called thinking ahead and considering all the possibilities.

You however think very two dimensional.

He tripped himself up and he thought Ivanovic had a hack at his leg, use your head it's not hard to work out.

Oh well, hopefully a dive does settle it.

Glen Damon wrote:Okay.

mac wrote:

Glen Damon wrote:Okay.

I usually like your humorous persona but riding Theo's dick and then not really saying why.

Glen Damon wrote:

mac wrote:

I usually like your humorous persona but riding Theo's dick and then not really saying why.

I am glad to hear that you are a fan, but to accuse me of putting on an act? You criticise me for not using evidence to substantiate claims, but then you throw about baseless accusations such as this willily nillily?