Clint Dempsey, good enough for a top 6 team?

I am NOT Leo wrote:Dempsey is better all round than Rooney. When Rooney played for a middle table club he was not scoring as many as Dempsey is.

At a top club Dempsey may well score similar goals to Messi and Ronaldo

Danny wrote:Multiple world cup campaigns you turd.

Messi's 24...

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I am NOT Leo wrote:I will end you bruv

Scuba Steve wrote:

I'm not saying that 20 goals in a season is easy (last season didn't RVP and Berbatov end up with 20 goals -- besides the point, just answering your question). I'm just saying that with the season he is having this year, he could have scored 20 if he was awarded the same amount of time on the field with a top side (he apparently has played all but 6 minutes in the league for Fulham this year). Fulham have some good attacking players, but they clearly aren't a top side, and struggle to create chances in games.

Dempsey is good at creating his own shot, but he is at his best when he is finding space off of teammates. Timing his runs and picking the open spots are his strengths, and with other top players, that is a lot easier than with a smaller side.

He's also doing this all from the midfield. He was played out of position against Chelsea -- because he is not a striker. He's not a traditional wide midfielder, but he is at his best when he plays out on the left, and just roams, kind of like Rooney.

Here is a stat that popped up after his goal against Chelsea. Now imagine if he were at a bigger club, like the rest of these players (remember that his first season was a half season, and that he could still have a goal given back to him from the dubious goal panel).

Dempsey is at 49 EPL goals in 180 appearances (6 years)

Giggs got his 50th in his 7th year and 235th appearance
Scholes got his 50th in his 8th year and over 200th appearance
Gerrard got his 50th in his 10th year and over 250th appearance
Lampard got his 50th in his 9th year and over 250th appearance



You're right. He isn't really a standout at any of those things. But neither is a player like Chicharito, and look at the impact he had in his first season with Manchester United. I'd say that Dempsey right now is a better, more polished player than Hernandez (subject to change over time, of course), and could have done something similar this season with a bigger club.

Grenade wrote:

Scuba Steve wrote:

I'm not saying that 20 goals in a season is easy (last season didn't RVP and Berbatov end up with 20 goals -- besides the point, just answering your question). I'm just saying that with the season he is having this year, he could have scored 20 if he was awarded the same amount of time on the field with a top side (he apparently has played all but 6 minutes in the league for Fulham this year). Fulham have some good attacking players, but they clearly aren't a top side, and struggle to create chances in games.

Dempsey is good at creating his own shot, but he is at his best when he is finding space off of teammates. Timing his runs and picking the open spots are his strengths, and with other top players, that is a lot easier than with a smaller side.

He's also doing this all from the midfield. He was played out of position against Chelsea -- because he is not a striker. He's not a traditional wide midfielder, but he is at his best when he plays out on the left, and just roams, kind of like Rooney.

Here is a stat that popped up after his goal against Chelsea. Now imagine if he were at a bigger club, like the rest of these players (remember that his first season was a half season, and that he could still have a goal given back to him from the dubious goal panel).

Dempsey is at 49 EPL goals in 180 appearances (6 years)

Giggs got his 50th in his 7th year and 235th appearance
Scholes got his 50th in his 8th year and over 200th appearance
Gerrard got his 50th in his 10th year and over 250th appearance
Lampard got his 50th in his 9th year and over 250th appearance



You're right. He isn't really a standout at any of those things. But neither is a player like Chicharito, and look at the impact he had in his first season with Manchester United. I'd say that Dempsey right now is a better, more polished player than Hernandez (subject to change over time, of course), and could have done something similar this season with a bigger club.

Tevez and Berba scored exactly 20 league goals each yeah, I said more than 20
But you also need to remember that he's not good enough to be considered a certain starter at any of the top 6 clubs. I think he'd score less goals in a season in a top 6 side than at Fulham tbh.
Fulham are a decent side and create a fair amount of chances to be fair. Ruiz, Dembele, , Dempsey these are all good attacking players.
Hernandez is a brilliant finisher and his positioning is arguably the best in the league for a striker. I'd say he's as good a finisher as RVP, if not better.

LFC_Grunners wrote:Read last week that he's being linked to Arsenal for £10m.

Thought it wouldn't be a bad move until I saw the price tag, as if Wenger will spend that on a 29 y/o.

I reckon he would be a good addition for both us and Arsenal, also I reckon he'd do well with Everton.


After typing that I realised Arsenal are the only top 6 side in there I don't think any of the other teams really need him.


EDIT: Before City/Spurs were on the up and it was the big 4 dominance then he would easily walk into a top 6 club, but these days finishing top 6 is a hell of a lot harder than then, as we found out this year.

Fonseca wrote:

LFC_Grunners wrote:Read last week that he's being linked to Arsenal for £10m.

Thought it wouldn't be a bad move until I saw the price tag, as if Wenger will spend that on a 29 y/o.

I reckon he would be a good addition for both us and Arsenal, also I reckon he'd do well with Everton.


After typing that I realised Arsenal are the only top 6 side in there I don't think any of the other teams really need him.


EDIT: Before City/Spurs were on the up and it was the big 4 dominance then he would easily walk into a top 6 club, but these days finishing top 6 is a hell of a lot harder than then, as we found out this year.

Arteta

Fonseca wrote:

LFC_Grunners wrote:Read last week that he's being linked to Arsenal for £10m.

Thought it wouldn't be a bad move until I saw the price tag, as if Wenger will spend that on a 29 y/o.

I reckon he would be a good addition for both us and Arsenal, also I reckon he'd do well with Everton.


After typing that I realised Arsenal are the only top 6 side in there I don't think any of the other teams really need him.


EDIT: Before City/Spurs were on the up and it was the big 4 dominance then he would easily walk into a top 6 club, but these days finishing top 6 is a hell of a lot harder than then, as we found out this year.

Arteta

LFC_Grunners wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Arteta

Would he have made that deal if every single fan/paper wasn't telling him to spend for months on end?

LFC_Grunners wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Arteta

Would he have made that deal if every single fan/paper wasn't telling him to spend for months on end?

Grenade wrote:

LFC_Grunners wrote:



Would he have made that deal if every single fan/paper wasn't telling him to spend for months on end?

He's been considering Arteta for a long time apparently. Dempsey started his career at Arsenal but his family made him leave. I think he'd love to come back but I don't know if he will start many games, especially if we sign Podolski.