Re. The Handshakes between Man United/Liverpool

Anderson=Class wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Er...you brought it up. I assumed you weren't just repeating some shit you heard on the telly, maybe I was too kind. Are you sure this is the only time an away team has lead the handshakes? Do you have any proof?

City lead the hand shacks in Chelsea game when Bridge/Terry were playing.

Scott wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:
City lead the hand shacks in Chelsea game when Bridge/Terry were playing.

This season.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:

This season.

I'm looking forward to you showing that in every game this season the home team has lead the handshakes.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I don't have to, I'm not the one making bold claims. You've claimed there's some regulation, and claimed that every other Premier League game has had the home team leading - prove it.

Scott wrote:Well, I think you should stop treating this place like a court.

Put aside your desperation to see proof, and express your opinion on the matter. If it's true, then what do you make of it?

Scott wrote:The only logical reason is so that the onus is placed on Suarez to make the first move.

How do you think the handshake would have played out if it was done the 'correct' way?

The scale of delusion on Merseyside can be seen by the way Liverpool fans, taking their lead from Dalglish’s post-match rant, reacted to the snub. Luis didn’t refuse to shake Evra’s hand, they proclaimed. It was Evra who withdrew first: just look at the angle of Evra’s lower arm! They may even have believed what they were saying. Only the rest of us saw the comparison between these toe-curling mitigations and the tortuous attempts after the initial verdict to find anything, however tenuous, to cast doubt upon Suárez’s guilt.

Scott wrote:What other logical reason would there be to change it just for that game?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:What other logical reason would there be to change it just for that game?

Perhaps Liverpool asked for it to be that way to psych United out. They've tried similar tactics to that successfully in the past, such as in the famous 1-4 victory at Old Trafford. In virtually all Manchester United games, United shoot towards the Stretford End in the second half, so when United came out, the players lined up in front of the Stretford End. Steven Gerrard guessed the coin toss correctly and decided he wanted his side to be shooting towards the Stretford End in the second half. United's preparation was thrown off and Liverpool gained a massive win, in every sense.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:What other logical reason would there be to change it just for that game?

Perhaps Liverpool asked for it to be that way to psych United out. They've tried similar tactics to that successfully in the past, such as in the famous 1-4 victory at Old Trafford. In virtually all Manchester United games, United shoot towards the Stretford End in the second half, so when United came out, the players lined up in front of the Stretford End. Steven Gerrard guessed the coin toss correctly and decided he wanted his side to be shooting towards the Stretford End in the second half. United's preparation was thrown off and Liverpool gained a massive win, in every sense.

Be interesting to do a run-down of Liverpool fans' behaviour in this episode, and how they've swung from one clutched straw to another, each time being made to look like fools, moving to the next, without apology for their lies and misinformation. Not once have they considered a scenario where Suarez is guilty or has done anything wrong.

October - Accusation is made.

- Evra has totally made it all up. He's made four false accusations of racism before. He should be charged and banned for reporting this.


Weeks after initial accusation - Soon transpires he hasn't just made it up as Suarez cryptically admits to calling him 'something his teammates call him'. Also is proven that Evra has never made a false accusation of racism before. Liverpool fans continue to spread lies about him and call him a liar. Press incorrectly suggest he was called 'Negrito'.

- We Liverpool fans are experts in Latin American colloquialisms and all the possible connotations of the word negrito. Negrito is a harmless word, nothing like that racist word negro. It's the name of a chocolate bar in South America. Javier Hernandez called his teammate Negrito, he should be investigated as well. This is a witchhunt against innocent Suarez.


New Years - The report is finally published and it turns out the negrito stuff was bollocks and Suarez actually used the much more pejorative word negro in an argumentative context. The report shows that he and other LFC staff changed their story several times, displaying guilt at every turn, and Suarez is subsequently found guilty.

- Actually, forget what we said earlier about the word negro being a bad word and negrito being ok, because negro is actually an ok word too. Skin colour references in an argument with a black opponent are ok. This is a conspiracy against Suarez. The FA are racist for not considering his culture. Evra is a liar and a disgrace for reporting this as racial abuse. Suarez is completely innocent. The panel were bent, I don't care that our club approved of their selection beforehand


January - The club slowly but surely destroy their reputation, led by the embittered and out of touch Dalglish, who fans the flames of LFC supporters' resentment and paranoia. White t-shirts are made in support of Suarez. LFC fans racially abuse Collymore and others on twitter, and things come to a head when Tom Adeyemi is racially abused at Anfield.

- Adeyemi wasn't called a black cunt, he was called a manc cunt, because he plays for Oldham. My mate was on the Kop, he says so.


Late January - Evra, whose only crime was to report being racially abused is taunted and booed at Anfield. A fan in the crowd makes monkey gestures towards him.

- This is just harmless banter. Evra deserves it. How dare he report being called a friendly term like negro.


February - The saga reaches a new low when Suarez refuses to shake the hand of the man he racially abused despite telling his manager he would do so in the week leading up to the match.

-This is a disgrace. Come and look at these carefully selected and not at all deceptive free-frames which show that it was quite clearly Evra who shunned Suarez, rather than vice versa. I don't care if you've got a multi-angle set of videos claiming otherwise, these grainy freeze-frames prove we're right and actually, Evra is the cunt, and Suarez is innocent.


Last 2 days - The club are roundly condemned in the press, with the story being picked up by US media, forcing their owners to whip the club into shape. Suarez, Ian Ayre and Dalglish are forced into grovelling apologies, confirming beyond doubt that Suarez did in fact snub Evra and no amount of deceptive freeze-frames will prove otherwise now. Suarez is exposed as a liar, who is happy to deceive his own manager, casting further doubt on the stories he told at the tribunal.

- The club are a disgrace, they have sold Suarez down the river. Evra lured him into not shaking his hand. It doesn't matter that Suarez lied to Kenny, he is an honest and upstanding person. Evra is the liar. Suarez is innocent. We're the victims.

It was only the second time since the handshake was introduced five years ago that a reversal has taken place. Mike Dean came to the same decision at Chelsea in February 2010 before Manchester City’s Wayne Bridge refused to shake John Terry’s hand.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2100675/Revealed-Why-handshake-switched-Old-Trafford.html#ixzz1mJvBhrDv