Arsenal vs Man United | Sunday 22nd Jan | KO: 4PM

kyro7 wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Yeah twists to our players ankles while most of your players stay fit and Mancini moans about injuries.

I have no idea how that relates to my post.

Quoted the wrong post.

Oh right, you meant to quote the one I made before, now I get you.

Zzonked wrote:

Sean wrote:United at home is much harder thatn Arsenal away.

It's at the Etihad though, I'd back City over most teams at home. Away is a different story though.

I dont really buy into the importance of home/away. Id be more wary of the quality of the team you're playing than the venue, and United are much better than Arsenal.

Sean wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Sean wrote:United at home is much harder thatn Arsenal away.

It's at the Etihad though, I'd back City over most teams at home. Away is a different story though.

I dont really buy into the importance of home/away. Id be more wary of the quality of the team you're playing than the venue, and United are much better than Arsenal.

Lettuce be reality though

Zzonked wrote:

Sean wrote:

I dont really buy into the importance of home/away. Id be more wary of the quality of the team you're playing than the venue, and United are much better than Arsenal.

Lettuce be reality though

That home record.

they shouldnt have won today

ViVaRooney wrote:they shouldnt have won today

And we should have beat Newcastle at home, but we didn't.

Look at the last 2 fixtures Man City v Man United: Man United 1-6 Man City, Man City 2-3 Man United.

Yeah City's home record has been very impressive but against United, a derby match i think it is irrelevant.

ViVaRooney wrote:they shouldnt have won today

Honestly, we should have won. We went 2-0 then fucked it up. We got lucky that we won it in the end, but at 2-0 it should have been over.

I remember when we used to have a home record like that

Zzonked wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:they shouldnt have won today

Honestly, we should have won. We went 2-0 then fucked it up. We got lucky that we won it in the end, but at 2-0 it should have been over.

Maybe, but going scoring first doesn't mean you deserve it. Need to give Spurs credit, after you scored they were the better team for most of the remainder and deserved to get back in it. Against a smaller team I'd agree...City have the quality to hold them out and should do...but against Spurs you can't take a 2 goal lead and settle for it.

I wouldn't say City had many more good chances other than the penalty...but by then Spurs had squandered "that chance" which really they should have scored.

Zzonked wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:they shouldnt have won today

Honestly, we should have won. We went 2-0 then fucked it up. We got lucky that we won it in the end, but at 2-0 it should have been over.

I thought 2-2 was pretty fair. We had our chances, you had yours.

Barton wrote:Look at the last 2 fixtures Man City v Man United: Man United 1-6 Man City, Man City 2-3 Man United.

Yeah City's home record has been very impressive but against United, a derby match i think it is irrelevant.

Form is irrelevant in any individual game.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:Look at the last 2 fixtures Man City v Man United: Man United 1-6 Man City, Man City 2-3 Man United.

Yeah City's home record has been very impressive but against United, a derby match i think it is irrelevant.

Form is irrelevant in any individual game.

Like if a team is playing well and winning consistently prior to a game it is irrelevant?

Thank fuck we won today.

Arsenal are who we thought they were.. and Arsene doesn't plan on changing a thing.

Really thought we had a chance.. it's disappointing that our sloppy ass defending let us down.. once again. fluke goals

Barton wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Form is irrelevant in any individual game.

Like if a team is playing well and winning consistently prior to a game it is irrelevant?

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:Look at the last 2 fixtures Man City v Man United: Man United 1-6 Man City, Man City 2-3 Man United.

Yeah City's home record has been very impressive but against United, a derby match i think it is irrelevant.

Form is irrelevant in any individual game.

I wouldn't say that.

In Championship playoffs usually the in form teams are the ones who do better.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Form is irrelevant in any individual game.

I wouldn't say that.

In Championship playoffs usually the in form teams are the ones who do better.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:

Like if a team is playing well and winning consistently prior to a game it is irrelevant?

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

I dunno, I think confidence is a big factor, if you keep winning games then you're going to have more belief running through the team.

Sean wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

I dunno, I think confidence is a big factor, if you keep winning games then you're going to have more belief running through the team.

Who says that helps you in the next game? Everyone after you win, but if you lose then you lost because of overconfidence.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:

Like if a team is playing well and winning consistently prior to a game it is irrelevant?

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

You've lost it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Sean wrote:

I dunno, I think confidence is a big factor, if you keep winning games then you're going to have more belief running through the team.

Who says that helps you in the next game? Everyone after you win, but if you lose then you lost because of overconfidence.

What the hell are you trying to say here?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Lux wrote:

I wouldn't say that.

In Championship playoffs usually the in form teams are the ones who do better.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Do you have any to say it doesn't?

.....generally speaking I know that no team has been in bad form and won the play offs. Why? Because I follow the league ... Either they are solid throughout and finish 3rd or they climb up right at the end. If you need "evidence" then go and check yourself.

RR sounding stupid? Show me something I haven't seen before.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:

Like if a team is playing well and winning consistently prior to a game it is irrelevant?

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

It helps the players psychologically i guess, which is a massive boost. I know a lot of it is down to the quality of the team itself, but having a good mentality always helps.

Said it last year, and the year before

Wenger OUT

BladeGunner wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Who says that helps you in the next game? Everyone after you win, but if you lose then you lost because of overconfidence.

What the hell are you trying to say here?

That 'form' has very little impact on subsequent matches, it's not just derby matches.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Do you have any to say it doesn't?

.....generally speaking I know that no team has been in bad form and won the play offs. Why? Because I follow the league ... Either they are solid throughout and finish 3rd or they climb up right at the end. If you need "evidence" then go and check yourself.

Why would I? I don't follow the League. Perhaps some teams tire towards the end of the season, attributing it to psychology is just bullshit though, unfortunately it's become very popular bullshit. That surprises me very much, as most 'experts' who talk about psychology had no qualifications in that area.

Barton wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yes, it's all bullshit, all of it, it's the same way as how if you're flipping a coin you might get heads 4 or 5 times in a row, it doesn't mean you're more likely to get heads in the next game. Of course, quality of the team also comes into it, but that's all, "form" itself is a confusion of cause and effect. A team wins several games in a row because they have a lot of quality or a lot of luck, the former invariably continues into the next game, the latter does only occasionally.

It helps the players psychologically i guess, which is a massive boost. I know a lot of it is down to the quality of the team itself, but having a good mentality always helps.

Do you have any psychology qualifications?

This game was a lot like 07/08 at the Emirates, Valencia scored on the stroke of half time, as did Rooney (Gallas O.G), then Arsenal equalised, then we got a pretty late goal with Ronaldo, and Gallas scored in the last minutes, thought it was going to be a repeat.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barton wrote:

It helps the players psychologically i guess, which is a massive boost. I know a lot of it is down to the quality of the team itself, but having a good mentality always helps.

Do you have any psychology qualifications?

No, but isn't it common sense? I'm sure you've experienced it yourself, the fact that you are winning puts you in a good mindset and boosts confidence.