Evra video using n-word

Theo Filippo wrote:can't you just change it to Nigel thats what I call my black mates

Fuck off Jacob

Its sad that so many people cannot see why black people use the word freely. It is a cultural phenomenon that was derived to take away some of the power of the word. Much like how women call themselves bitches.

Basically, we say it to each other to piss off the white people who used the word for subjugation.

Vexxed wrote:Its sad that so many people cannot see why black people use the word freely. It is a cultural phenomenon that was derived to take away some of the power of the word. Much like how women call themselves bitches.

Basically, we say it to each other to piss off the white people who used the word for subjugation.

And a huge number of black people are sickened by this.

Fonseca wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:can't you just change it to Nigel thats what I call my black mates

Fuck off Jacob

To be honest I've called my black mates the n-word before and vice versa. Nothing wrong when black people do it to each other in my eyes, if a white mate called me it I wouldn't be pleased though.

Gegilworld93 wrote:To be honest I've called my black mates the n-word before and vice versa. Nothing wrong when black people do it to each other in my eyes, if a white mate called me it I wouldn't be pleased though.

And that is wrong.

Vexxed wrote:Its sad that so many people cannot see why black people use the word freely. It is a cultural phenomenon that was derived to take away some of the power of the word. Much like how women call themselves bitches.

Basically, we say it to each other to piss off the white people who used the word for subjugation.

and now there is no subjugation.

If people want equality, then I don't think there is a place for this. It's purpose is to unite black people.....but we're all human and race shouldn't matter so no point having a chip on your shoulder, especially when white people are not slavers and black people are not slaves.

What's done is done....it's in the past and we're neither responsible for it, and you're not a victim of it.

Lux wrote:

Vexxed wrote:Its sad that so many people cannot see why black people use the word freely. It is a cultural phenomenon that was derived to take away some of the power of the word. Much like how women call themselves bitches.

Basically, we say it to each other to piss off the white people who used the word for subjugation.

and now there is no subjugation.

If people want equality, then I don't think there is a place for this. It's purpose is to unite black people.....but we're all human and race shouldn't matter so no point having a chip on your shoulder, especially when white people are not slavers and black people are not slaves.

What's done is done....it's in the past and we're neither responsible for it, and you're not a victim of it.

Apartheid was outlawed in 1994. The FA released a "100 greatest English player ever DVD" which didn't have a single black player in it only 5 years ago. A racism claim by black players in the championship was ignored in the late 2000s, the first penalty for racism in English football began with 8 matches, was reduced to 5 for no reason what so ever shortly after.

2010, southern italian farmers attack a group of black farmers, citing that they should go back to Africa and stop stealing Italian's jobs. These jobs paid 10% of the minnimum wage and was controlled by the local mafia. Labled by the italian police to be "slavery".

Neo-Nazism is on the rise in several European countries in 2010.

In the US Barack Obama is the only president to have been "blocked out" of congress by an entire party. To have his policy attacked, even though it corresponds to that of Reagan (health care). And to have his nationrality and "birth-certificate" questioned, something no other president has ever had to endure. Wheter or not it is racially fueled is difficult to say, but no other president has had as much difficulty and as much criticism during his term.

Racism is very much alive, as is slavery.

Laurencio wrote:

Lux wrote:

and now there is no subjugation.

If people want equality, then I don't think there is a place for this. It's purpose is to unite black people.....but we're all human and race shouldn't matter so no point having a chip on your shoulder, especially when white people are not slavers and black people are not slaves.

What's done is done....it's in the past and we're neither responsible for it, and you're not a victim of it.

Apartheid was outlawed in 1994. The FA released a "100 greatest English player ever DVD" which didn't have a single black player in it only 5 years ago. A racism claim by black players in the championship was ignored in the late 2000s, the first penalty for racism in English football began with 8 matches, was reduced to 5 for no reason what so ever shortly after.

2010, southern italian farmers attack a group of black farmers, citing that they should go back to Africa and stop stealing Italian's jobs. These jobs paid 10% of the minnimum wage and was controlled by the local mafia. Labled by the italian police to be "slavery".

Neo-Nazism is on the rise in several European countries in 2010.

In the US Barack Obama is the only president to have been "blocked out" of congress by an entire party. To have his policy attacked, even though it corresponds to that of Reagan (health care). And to have his nationrality and "birth-certificate" questioned, something no other president has ever had to endure. Wheter or not it is racially fueled is difficult to say, but no other president has had as much difficulty and as much criticism during his term.

Racism is very much alive, as is slavery.

Let's not pick out examples which are either in the past (yes, 1994 is in the past)....or are isolated examples rather than social ones.

Back in the day, pretty much every black person was a slave? Let's talk specifically about the UK, somewhere where black people might call each other a ice cream, but would be up in arms if a white person did. Is there any slavery of black people? No. Is there social racism, such as segregation, denial of opportunities or less privileges? No. Racism is not very much alive here, what is very much alive is the belief that it is.

There are people with racist views from all backgrounds, some hold the view.....some actively discriminate......but it's actively fought against by everyone, and it's not socially acceptable on any level. If you walk down the street, you don't see racism being practised.

You can't use an example of some random people being racist, and use that as an excuse for the situation (of black people calling each other ice cream but not wanting others to). Surely, to be upset about a white person saying it...it is solely because of our colour and what people in the past....and an incredible small few now have done. For me, that is racism, and frankly it pisses me off and I think it's hypocritical.

*note...ice cream is what the forum changes the n-word to.

Evra's a negro, so he can say negro.

Lux wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Apartheid was outlawed in 1994. The FA released a "100 greatest English player ever DVD" which didn't have a single black player in it only 5 years ago. A racism claim by black players in the championship was ignored in the late 2000s, the first penalty for racism in English football began with 8 matches, was reduced to 5 for no reason what so ever shortly after.

2010, southern italian farmers attack a group of black farmers, citing that they should go back to Africa and stop stealing Italian's jobs. These jobs paid 10% of the minnimum wage and was controlled by the local mafia. Labled by the italian police to be "slavery".

Neo-Nazism is on the rise in several European countries in 2010.

In the US Barack Obama is the only president to have been "blocked out" of congress by an entire party. To have his policy attacked, even though it corresponds to that of Reagan (health care). And to have his nationrality and "birth-certificate" questioned, something no other president has ever had to endure. Wheter or not it is racially fueled is difficult to say, but no other president has had as much difficulty and as much criticism during his term.

Racism is very much alive, as is slavery.

Let's not pick out examples which are either in the past (yes, 1994 is in the past)....or are isolated examples rather than social ones.

Back in the day, pretty much every black person was a slave? Let's talk specifically about the UK, somewhere where black people might call each other a ice cream, but would be up in arms if a white person did. Is there any slavery of black people? No. Is there social racism, such as segregation, denial of opportunities or less privileges? No. Racism is not very much alive here, what is very much alive is the belief that it is.

There are people of racist views from all backgrounds, some hold the view.....some actively discriminate......but it's not actively thought against by everyone, and it's not socially acceptable on any level.

You can't use an example of some random people being racist, and use that as an excuse for the situation (of black people calling each other ice cream but not wanting others to). Surely, to be upset about a white person saying it...it is solely because of our colour and what people in the past....and an incredible small few now have done. For me, that is racism.

*note...ice cream is what the forum changes the n-word to.

The n-word was used by white people as a derogatory term of a black person. It's a word filled with opressive feelings, and if it is used by a white person in a negative, insulting way, then it is obviously not going to be recieved well. To even suggest that it should be acceptable because certain groups of black people use it with eacother is quite frankly ridiculous. These events, that you label to be in the past, are far too recent for it to be remotely acceptable. Maybe if it happened 200-300 years ago there might be a discussion, but as is there is none.

You claim racism does not exist, yet violent incidents on the basis of race are very much real according to the police. In Scotland for instance 6 171 incidents of violence on the basis of race were recorded in 2009/10. In England you've had the Stephen Lawrence case, which has increased the public awareness of racism.

It is considerably better than it has been, but it has by no means been eradicated. Institutionalized racism is mostly gone, but that doesn't mean that racism in itself is a non issue.

If it's not acceptable for some, it's not acceptable. I could go up to a black person and quite politely, in a friendly way say the n word and receive a negative reaction. Why? Because I'm white. Would they give the same reaction to a black person? Certainly not.

What more is there to say? Using random examples of racism has nothing to do with anything. You will excuse what is quite easily intercontinental racism against anyone who is black, just because it is because some have racist towards them?

It is supposed to be a fight against racism, for that everyone to be united. If there are such views like this then that is impossible.

Also these events are not recent, you are even going to consider that slavery from before anyone alive was born is too recent?......all I have to say about that is: Fuck it. I'm as against racism as anyone, but this is ridiculous. It's like comparing modern Germans to Nazis.

I'll repeat what I said in the Liverpool thread...

What makes a word insulting or racist? It's the context and intentions behind it. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. The N-word originated from the Spanish and Portugese word, "negro". Originally, the word did not have the same contextual meaning as was used by Southern slave owners in early American history for example.

So what makes the use of the N-word wrong in some cases and not offensive in others? What is the person saying the word trying to achieve? What context is the word being used in? Among several rappers, the N-word is used as a in-group lexicon and not meant as a derogatory term. Among South Americans, the word, "negrito", is also not used a derogatory term.

So why did Suarez use the term "negrito" and in what context? If we are to believe the report by the FA (or whoever made the report), Suarez used the word "negro" or "negrito" in the following contexts...

Evra: why did you kick me?
Suarez: because you are black.

Suarez: I don't speak to blacks

Suarez: okay, blackie, blackie, blackie

In no culture are these responses by Suarez or anyone for that matter ever acceptable. In addition, it can be said that Suarez meant to say these terms to either throw Evra off his game or as a retaliation to something Evra might have said or done to him previously. Whatever the situation, it's beyond no doubt that Suarez's statements were both offensive and intentionally insulting.

Now my question to the Liverpool and Suarez supporters out there is why continue to defend Suarez's actions? I don't see how anybody can say that his actions were not offensive towards Evra and unintentional. It doesn't matter if Suarez is actually racist or not. It doesn't matter if some other black person was not offended by the terms. It doesn't matter if Evra has previously used the N-word in a different context.

I noticed some people say that Suarez didn't actually say these things. Well, people are going by the report presented by the FA. Bringing up evidence of Evra using the word in the past isn't adding anything to the argument about whether Suarez actually said those phrases or not.

Lux wrote:If it's not acceptable for some, it's not acceptable. I could go up to a black person and quite politely, in a friendly way say the n word and receive a negative reaction. Why? Because I'm white. Would they give the same reaction to a black person? Certainly not.

What more is there to say? Using random examples of racism has nothing to do with anything. You will excuse what is quite easily intercontinental racism against anyone who is black, just because it is because some have racist towards them?

It is supposed to be a fight against racism, for that everyone to be united. If there are such views like this then that is impossible.

In an ideal world the negativity of the word wouldn't exist. Unfortunately years of history, and fairly recent events, have caused the word to be negative when spoken by white people. In attempt to "remove" the negativity of the word and take the "identity" back certain members of the black community have decided to use the word when refering to eacother. A practice that is quite controversial among people of the same race, especially those of higher education.

When a white person uses this word about a black person it is considered a reference to a time, or a practice, where white people opresses/opressed black people. The word in itself is harmless, but due to the historical connection it is considered highly offensive.

In an ideal world the word wouldn't be used by anyone, or it wouldn't be negative at all, but we have to accept that we do not live in an ideal world. We have to accept that certain groups of people will find this word offensive, and quite frankly it takes little to no effort by us to avoid using this word.

Due to the fact that institutionalized racism was only abolished fairly recently. The fact that social racism was more or less a considerable problem only 5-6 years ago, it is unrealistic to expect the opressed community to not feel "united" as a race. It is not racism, it is an unfortunate by-product of racism and xenophobia. If we can continue on the road we are on (at least politically), then these social boundaries and "groupings" will be slowly erased in the future. But it will take time.

You simply have to accept that as things stand, the n word is the gravest insult you can use towards a black person if you are white.

You are probably right, but it does seem like our generation have to pay for the shit of the past....and that's not just on the racial subject either i.e. economic, jobs....etc etc.

So....whilst I am the kind of person who can accept these kinds of things.....it has not been reciprocal. I'm not one of the people but, as you said.....it's generally something which the more educated black people find controversial. In comparison.....the modern racism which has erupted in recent times is not to do with the past, it is to do with today. Is there any understanding for those who have fallen on bad times, and unite as white British people? Nope....but due to white guilt it is obligation to understand, accept and accommodate. It is "little effort" as you say....but it's more than any other pays to us. Despite how innocent I may be, I must constantly make sure not to offend others in fear of being branded racist. That's not little effort, there are times where I feel oppressed (I don't want to exaggerate or unfairly compare but it's true)

That is the problem not only for me, but probably most. Hypocrisy....

Haters gonna hate.

Kuled wrote:
Haters gonna hate.

That's such a boss walk

Vexxed wrote:Its sad that so many people cannot see why black people use the word freely. It is a cultural phenomenon that was derived to take away some of the power of the word. Much like how women call themselves bitches.

Basically, we say it to each other to piss off the white people who used the word for subjugation.

You don't see a problem with that? People cry out racism a lot when a white person says ice cream/negro simply because he/she is white.

David Alaba wrote:Evra's a negro, so he can say negro.

Also another problem


We need to learn to accept the differences we have and just learn not to treat anyone differently. Everyone needs to learn to judge people with there intentions and not their background. Some kids are already doing this but i know a lot who grow in homes where the situation above is taught as the right reaction.

Kuled wrote:
Haters gonna hate.

I was at that game

It's wrong how black people call each other it.

You wouldn't get a spaz go up to another spaz shouting wassup am spazzer

ahlycotc wrote:I'll repeat what I said in the Liverpool thread...

What makes a word insulting or racist? It's the context and intentions behind it. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. The N-word originated from the Spanish and Portugese word, "negro". Originally, the word did not have the same contextual meaning as was used by Southern slave owners in early American history for example.

So what makes the use of the N-word wrong in some cases and not offensive in others? What is the person saying the word trying to achieve? What context is the word being used in? Among several rappers, the N-word is used as a in-group lexicon and not meant as a derogatory term. Among South Americans, the word, "negrito", is also not used a derogatory term.

So why did Suarez use the term "negrito" and in what context? If we are to believe the report by the FA (or whoever made the report), Suarez used the word "negro" or "negrito" in the following contexts...

Evra: why did you kick me?
Suarez: because you are black.

Suarez: I don't speak to blacks

Suarez: okay, blackie, blackie, blackie

In no culture are these responses by Suarez or anyone for that matter ever acceptable. In addition, it can be said that Suarez meant to say these terms to either throw Evra off his game or as a retaliation to something Evra might have said or done to him previously. Whatever the situation, it's beyond no doubt that Suarez's statements were both offensive and intentionally insulting.

Now my question to the Liverpool and Suarez supporters out there is why continue to defend Suarez's actions? I don't see how anybody can say that his actions were not offensive towards Evra and unintentional. It doesn't matter if Suarez is actually racist or not. It doesn't matter if some other black person was not offended by the terms. It doesn't matter if Evra has previously used the N-word in a different context.

I noticed some people say that Suarez didn't actually say these things. Well, people are going by the report presented by the FA. Bringing up evidence of Evra using the word in the past isn't adding anything to the argument about whether Suarez actually said those phrases or not.

Suarez denies saying any of that and I believe him.

Scott MacDougall wrote:
Suarez denies saying any of that and I believe him.

if the case was subjective ( as said by LFC), if the case was based on Evra's word vs Suarez ( as said by LFC), if the FA didnt release all details (as said by LFC) then why would you drop the appeal?

Lux wrote:You are probably right, but it does seem like our generation have to pay for the shit of the past....and that's not just on the racial subject either i.e. economic, jobs....etc etc.

So....whilst I am the kind of person who can accept these kinds of things.....it has not been reciprocal. I'm not one of the people but, as you said.....it's generally something which the more educated black people find controversial. In comparison.....the modern racism which has erupted in recent times is not to do with the past, it is to do with today. Is there any understanding for those who have fallen on bad times, and unite as white British people? Nope....but due to white guilt it is obligation to understand, accept and accommodate. It is "little effort" as you say....but it's more than any other pays to us. Despite how innocent I may be, I must constantly make sure not to offend others in fear of being branded racist. That's not little effort, there are times where I feel oppressed (I don't want to exaggerate or unfairly compare but it's true)

That is the problem not only for me, but probably most. Hypocrisy....

So you're saying that you're afraid to offend black people incase of being catagorised as a racist? That's your own unselfconsciousness and has nothing to do with society, say what you think then... I know you want to

Even so, you feel oppressed?

Yet you think this is some sort of perfect society where a microscopic amount of examples used by Laurenisco prove little to nothing about racism?

Wigga, please.

Fonseca wrote:So you're saying that you're afraid to offend black people incase of being catagorised as a racist? That's your own unselfconsciousness and has nothing to do with society, say what you think then... I know you want to

Even so, you feel oppressed?

Yet you think this is some sort of perfect society where a microscopic amount of examples used by Laurenisco prove little to nothing about racism?

I don't want to offend anyone, I don't know why you think that I think society is perfect, and Laurencio (spell it right atleast?)'s examples are not comparable to a black person saying the n word and no one else being allowed to. I didn't say anything about it not proving anything about racism.

As always, people do not see the point and come to the wrong conclusions. You think I'm some coward racist who hides my intentions and tries to justify myself....now that is the joke. I'm not usually a serious person but, that's not me and you obviously don't know a lot about me despite whatever you believe.

You made that comment about your niece and how she described someone without referencing to colour. Now that is an example that can be used. You see that and you think it's great, but you turn a blind eye to a black person being offended and hating someone for saying a word, simply because of their colour.....even if the intention is not insulting?

Also, this oppression thing is bollocks. A lot of people will say it, but are they really oppressed? There only reason people wouldn't laugh at them in disbelief like how you did to me, is because of their colour. I am equal to everyone, and I have equal rights and opportunities to them....not more. Do you not think that being perceived as being privileged is undesirable? It's unfortunate that some people feel otherwise, but I disagree and whilst I don't want anything more, I think there's no justification for most of the "we're a victim because of our race" stuff. Here is where I will use Laurencio's example. Stephen Lawrence was killed because of his race. Should every person of his race feel victimised? Should people who are the same race as his murderers feel guilty?

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:

Scott MacDougall wrote:
Suarez denies saying any of that and I believe him.

if the case was subjective ( as said by LFC), if the case was based on Evra's word vs Suarez ( as said by LFC), if the FA didnt release all details (as said by LFC) then why would you drop the appeal?

There are plenty of reasons.

The fact that the verdict couldn't be appealed and only the ban is one of them.

Honestly though, don't you guys get tired of this same type of shit discussion?

Dan wrote:

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:

if the case was subjective ( as said by LFC), if the case was based on Evra's word vs Suarez ( as said by LFC), if the FA didnt release all details (as said by LFC) then why would you drop the appeal?

There are plenty of reasons.

The fact that the verdict couldn't be appealed and only the ban is one of them.

If there was some foul play, or incorrect procedure followed at the hearing, as Dalglish implied, you could certainly appeal.

Oh look, when RR's Liverpool-alarm goes off, he actually gets out of bed and comes on here to respond at 4:45am.

Scott MacDougall wrote:Oh look, when RR's Liverpool-alarm goes off, he actually gets out of bed and comes on here to respond at 4:45am.