Manchester United FC Official Thread

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If we lose tonight, who's going to join me in calling for Ferguson's head?

No one.

Kuled wrote:Bet you wanted Ferguson out when we got knocked out of the groups stages last time too

No, I wanted to give him one more season and see how it panned out.

Can't be bothered to talk about this again, for what would be the 10th time in this thread.

RR disgusts me

anyway, hope we attack if we sit back its gonna be so nerve wrecking. 3 goals in 10mins would be nice

So, you wanted to give Ferguson another season, despite not winning the Premier League for 3 seasons in a row, but now you wanted him out of the club even though we are champions of England?

Kuled wrote:So, you wanted to give Ferguson another season, despite not winning the Premier League for 3 seasons in a row, but now you wanted him out of the club even though we are champions of England?

this team is FAR better then the team in 2005 aswell. the guy just wants attention, thats all i can think of.

Kuled wrote:So, you wanted to give Ferguson another season, despite not winning the Premier League for 3 seasons in a row, but now you wanted him out of the club even though we are champions of England?

It was only two seasons in a row, and he was competing with the greatest manager the world has ever seen, with a team full of world class players, and the potential for improvement was obvious, with the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo in the team, and Evra and Vidic coming into the team that January, their class was obvious to me from day one. Fletcher also looked like he might turn into a big player for us as well.

You look at our squad now, who is there there who is in that bracket? Is there any player in our squad under 25 who anyone would even countenance paying £30m+ for, like we did on Rooney in 2004? Our best players are pretty much all around their peak, and there's no-one coming through other than Smalling and Jones. There's Cleverley who looked decent against a few shambolic sides, but who else? Welbeck? He's never going to be a Rooney or Ronaldo, that's for sure.

The fact we're Champions of England shouldn't fool you, Ferguson has been taking us downhill, the only difference is that Chelsea went downhill faster than we did, thanks largely to Abramovich's megalomania.

ViVaRooney wrote:

Kuled wrote:So, you wanted to give Ferguson another season, despite not winning the Premier League for 3 seasons in a row, but now you wanted him out of the club even though we are champions of England?

this team is FAR better then the team in 2005 aswell. the guy just wants attention, thats all i can think of.

Is it?


I'd back that against our current XI.

vDS > de Gea

Neville > Rafael
Ferdinand 2005 > Ferdinand 2011
Brown < Vidic
O'Shea > Evra

Ronaldo < Nani
Keane > Fletcher/Giggs/Andershit
Scholes > Carrick
Giggs > Young

Rooney 2005 < Rooney 2011
van Nistelrooy > Hernandez

I made that 8-3 to 2005

Half way through that season Keane quit and Scholes' eye went crazy..

O'Shea better than Evra? Piss off.

Read the quote from 606 on this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4494936.stm

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:



this team is FAR better then the team in 2005 aswell. the guy just wants attention, thats all i can think of.

Is it?

van der Sar

Neville Ferdinand Brown O'Shea

Ronaldo Keane Scholes Giggs

Rooney van Nistelrooy

I'd back that against our current XI.

vDS > de Gea

Neville < Rafael
Ferdinand 2005 < Ferdinand 2011
Brown < Vidic
O'Shea < Evra

Ronaldo < Nani
Keane < Fletcher/Giggs/Andershit
Scholes > Carrick
Giggs < Young

Rooney 2005 < Rooney 2011
van Nistelrooy > Hernandez

I made that 8-3 to 2005

Oshea over Evra roy keane had left early in the season you nobhead, edited it for fair reflection

i make that 8-3 to 2011

also it isnt about first 11's, its about the squad too. again you are so narrow in your views, you miss the bigger picture. i have no desire to get into a discussion with you for these purposes. please piss off

also, the team that played the last match against benfica: Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Silvestre, O'Shea (Richardson 87), Ronaldo (Park 67), Smith, Scholes, Giggs (Saha 60), Rooney, van Nistelrooy.

we had SMITH as our CM

Of course RR would pick O'Shea over Evra, he's an idiot like that. The guy has obsession with Liverpool and talks utter shit sometimes.

Well yeah, but I'm not judging Ferguson on injuries am I? You can't really blame him for what happened with Keane, and you certainly can't blame him for what happened with Scholes.

I can't believe you think Rafael was better than Neville in 2005 was, he was the best right back in Europe back then. And Giggs, fucking hell, you think Ashley Young is better than Giggs was 6 years ago?? Maybe on FIFA. Also, there's no fucking way Ferdinand is better now than he was then.

The claim that we had a worse team in 2005 is only even remotely valid if you take into account freak factors like players retiring in the middle of the season, or suffering severe injuries. It's horribly unfair to Ferguson to take those into account when looking at the side.

moscowmadeit3 wrote:Of course RR would pick O'Shea over Evra, he's an idiot like that. The guy has obsession with Liverpool and talks utter shit sometimes.

O'Shea is a tremendous footballer.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Well yeah, but I'm not judging Ferguson on injuries am I? You can't really blame him for what happened with Keane, and you certainly can't blame him for what happened with Scholes.

I can't believe you think Rafael was better than Neville in 2005 was, he was the best right back in Europe back then. And Giggs, fucking hell, you think Ashley Young is better than Giggs was 6 years ago?? Maybe on FIFA. Also, there's no fucking way Ferdinand is better now than he was then.

The claim that we had a worse team in 2005 is only even remotely valid if you take into account freak factors like players retiring in the middle of the season, or suffering severe injuries. It's horribly unfair to Ferguson to take those into account when looking at the side.

oh but now we have injuries in midfield so are forced to played the likes of jones there and you blame fergie stick to one story lad you are all over the place

Neville, fair enough. but rio, i think Rio is a far better defender now. with age he got better, only problem is his injuries. on Giggs, back then he was in transition from gradually losing his pace.

De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Well yeah, but I'm not judging Ferguson on injuries am I? You can't really blame him for what happened with Keane, and you certainly can't blame him for what happened with Scholes.

I can't believe you think Rafael was better than Neville in 2005 was, he was the best right back in Europe back then. And Giggs, fucking hell, you think Ashley Young is better than Giggs was 6 years ago?? Maybe on FIFA. Also, there's no fucking way Ferdinand is better now than he was then.

The claim that we had a worse team in 2005 is only even remotely valid if you take into account freak factors like players retiring in the middle of the season, or suffering severe injuries. It's horribly unfair to Ferguson to take those into account when looking at the side.

oh but now we have injuries in midfield so are forced to played the likes of jones there and you blame fergie stick to one story lad you are all over the place

It's not the quality of the back-ups I have a problem with really, the problem I have is with the first choice players. Fletcher is a footballer who is average at best by PL standards, Giggs is nearly 40, Anderson is a fat shit, Cleverley is unproven.

Mind you, the fact we have to play 2 fucking wingers and a centre back in midfield is something Ferguson deserves criticism for. Christ on a fucking bike.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

moscowmadeit3 wrote:Of course RR would pick O'Shea over Evra, he's an idiot like that. The guy has obsession with Liverpool and talks utter shit sometimes.

O'Shea is a tremendous footballer.

Not saying he wasn't. Picking him, or saying, he's better than Evra is beyond stupidity.

Mal wrote:De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

4-2-3-1?

moscowmadeit3 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

O'Shea is a tremendous footballer.

Not saying he wasn't. Picking him, or saying, he's better than Evra is beyond stupidity.

Evra is well past his best.

Kuled wrote:

Mal wrote:De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

4-2-3-1?

Looks like a textbook 4-3-3 to me


Although obviously the text book would have central midfielders in it.

Mal wrote:De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

i would think this would be the line up

Kuled wrote:

Mal wrote:De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

4-2-3-1?

Probably. Basically the same as Saturday (after Hernandez's injury) bar 2 changes.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

moscowmadeit3 wrote:

Not saying he wasn't. Picking him, or saying, he's better than Evra is beyond stupidity.

Evra is well past his best.

And he's still better than O'Shea.

ViVaRooney wrote:

Mal wrote:De Gea, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Young.

De Gea

Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra

Park, Jones, Giggs, Nani

Young

Rooney

i would think this would be the line up

I'd rather Park on the left, Nani is a far better player and far better on the right.

That's most likely what we'll do, Park hardly ever plays right wing.

Unless Nani's up front again.

Danny wrote:

Kuled wrote:4-2-3-1?

Probably. Basically the same as Saturday (after Hernandez's injury) bar 2 changes.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Evra is well past his best.

And he's still better than O'Shea.

Maybe he is now, but he's not better than O'Shea was 5 years ago.

That could be a possibility.

kyro7 wrote:

De Gea

Smalling - Vidic - Rio - Evra

Jones - Park

Nani - Giggs - Young

Rooney

That could be a possibility.

Carrick is injured i assume?

JMB_94 wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

De Gea

Smalling - Vidic - Rio - Evra

Jones - Park

Nani - Giggs - Young

Rooney

That could be a possibility.

Carrick is injured i assume?

Suspended.