A 9 point gap between 1st and 2nd isn't very competitive either. (Considering United have one of their worst ever squads and still win the league by 9 points)ViVaRooney wrote:Filippo Inzaghi wrote:La Liga has been a far stronger league since the 09/10 season.
oh yeah, 21 point gap between 2nd and 3rd is so competitive
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ViVaRooney wrote:Laurencio wrote:
It's all about PR, although we are lagging behind City no one is actually saying we are doing poorly, despite conceeding more shots on goal, having less posession and creating less chances than Chelsea. It's "regular old United, with all the expetience in the world to make up for it " While Chelsea and Villa Boas who is getting an awful lot of undeserved stick, are in a crisis.
That being said Ferguson is a great Manager so I assume it is as much his position for tge past 25 years that noinated him, as it was last years performance.
Chelsea are in trouble, their defense has been awful, their £50m striker looks like a league 2 player and they have lost all their big games so far.. 5 points gap AFTER 14 GAMES, 10 points from the leaders. thats too much a gap in too small a time, sure you could say there is time to make it up but more realistically there is also time for the gap to grow
Boas has not done a good job but thats not his fault really, he is trying to introduce a different style and that will take time. on the manager award, ofcourse fergie is gonna be in it, he won the toughest league in the world. that alone puts him in the shortlist easily.
what people dont seem to realize is that we are far better position right now then we were last season. and everyone know we only get better as the season goes on. Man City will win the title this season cause they have by far the best squad in the world (world, not just england). they arguably have a better squad then Barca (but a worse starting 11) and only having a average manager will hold them back. the challenge for city isnt this season, its next season when they have to defend their title, thats the real challenge.
I am not saying they don't have their issues, but so do we. In fact,on paper, we are worse off than Chelsea in most areas of he pitch, being saved by a handful if extraordinary indivuduals. Yes their defence have moments of total collapse, but strangely enough when the defence follow the tactics, do their job and aren't victim of some freakish defensive mistake, Chelsea do not conceed. They conceed the least shots on goal in the league.
Now I agree that their attacking problems are worrying, their 50M striker looks more like a 50p striker and is rapidly becoming the next Shevchenko. However all in all Chelsea are doing surprisingly well. Turn it around fir a second, despite having on of the most error prone defences in the league, a lack of goalscorers headed by a 50M star who couldn't hit a barn, let alone a barn door, at the moment. Despite all this they are in 4th, with only 5 points behind 2nd, 3 points behind 3rd, but 10 points behind the strongest suad in the league. Having the least shots on goal conceeded in the league and are creating plenty of chances in most matches.
Get rid of the mistakes and Xhelsea are contendrs again. We all ageee they need a rejuvenation to bevome a great side but with what he has got Villas Boas isn't doing badly. Not as well as Wenger, who is working miracles, but good.
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within the context of the league it is. since matches are closer because there is no team or 2 thats is ridiculously above every other team.Filippo Inzaghi wrote:A 9 point gap between 1st and 2nd isn't very competitive either. (Considering United have one of their worst ever squads and still win the league by 9 points)ViVaRooney wrote:
oh yeah, 21 point gap between 2nd and 3rd is so competitive
where as in Spain its just madrid or barca guaranteed. with no one even getting close or challenging. i mean 21 points. that is a ridiculous amount gap.
point gap between top and bottom
PL = 47
La Liga = 66
points between 1st and 4th:
PL = 12
La Liga = 34
no matter which way you look at it, that league is split into 2 and the top part only consists of 2 teams. even if the winner in the PL may not change much.. the challenge is alot more varied and competitive
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La Liga is much harder to win though.
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ViVaRooney wrote:within the context of the league it is. since matches are closer because there is no team or 2 thats is ridiculously above every other team.Filippo Inzaghi wrote:A 9 point gap between 1st and 2nd isn't very competitive either. (Considering United have one of their worst ever squads and still win the league by 9 points)
where as in Spain its just madrid or barca guaranteed. with no one even getting close or challenging. i mean 21 points. that is a ridiculous amount gap.
point gap between top and bottom
PL = 47
La Liga = 66
points between 1st and 4th:
PL = 12
La Liga = 34
no matter which way you look at it, that league is split into 2 and the top part only consists of 2 teams. even if the winner in the PL may not change much.. the challenge is alot more varied and competitive
Malaga should change this in the next few years.
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Because Barcelona have one of the greatest teams of all time and Real Madrid have Ronaldo..ViVaRooney wrote:within the context of the league it is. since matches are closer because there is no team or 2 thats is ridiculously above every other team.Filippo Inzaghi wrote:A 9 point gap between 1st and 2nd isn't very competitive either. (Considering United have one of their worst ever squads and still win the league by 9 points)
where as in Spain its just madrid or barca guaranteed. with no one even getting close or challenging. i mean 21 points. that is a ridiculous amount gap.
point gap between top and bottom
PL = 47
La Liga = 66
points between 1st and 4th:
PL = 12
La Liga = 34
no matter which way you look at it, that league is split into 2 and the top part only consists of 2 teams. even if the winner in the PL may not change much.. the challenge is alot more varied and competitive
How many different teams have won the premier league since 2005? I will give you a clue.. it is the same as La Liga.
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Laurencio wrote:ViVaRooney wrote:
Chelsea are in trouble, their defense has been awful, their £50m striker looks like a league 2 player and they have lost all their big games so far.. 5 points gap AFTER 14 GAMES, 10 points from the leaders. thats too much a gap in too small a time, sure you could say there is time to make it up but more realistically there is also time for the gap to grow
Boas has not done a good job but thats not his fault really, he is trying to introduce a different style and that will take time. on the manager award, ofcourse fergie is gonna be in it, he won the toughest league in the world. that alone puts him in the shortlist easily.
what people dont seem to realize is that we are far better position right now then we were last season. and everyone know we only get better as the season goes on. Man City will win the title this season cause they have by far the best squad in the world (world, not just england). they arguably have a better squad then Barca (but a worse starting 11) and only having a average manager will hold them back. the challenge for city isnt this season, its next season when they have to defend their title, thats the real challenge.
I am not saying they don't have their issues, but so do we. In fact,on paper, we are worse off than Chelsea in most areas of he pitch, being saved by a handful if extraordinary indivuduals. Yes their defence have moments of total collapse, but strangely enough when the defence follow the tactics, do their job and aren't victim of some freakish defensive mistake, Chelsea do not conceed. They conceed the least shots on goal in the league.
Now I agree that their attacking problems are worrying, their 50M striker looks more like a 50p striker and is rapidly becoming the next Shevchenko. However all in all Chelsea are doing surprisingly well. Turn it around fir a second, despite having on of the most error prone defences in the league, a lack of goalscorers headed by a 50M star who couldn't hit a barn, let alone a barn door, at the moment. Despite all this they are in 4th, with only 5 points behind 2nd, 3 points behind 3rd, but 10 points behind the strongest suad in the league. Having the least shots on goal conceeded in the league and are creating plenty of chances in most matches.
Get rid of the mistakes and Xhelsea are contendrs again. We all ageee they need a rejuvenation to bevome a great side but with what he has got Villas Boas isn't doing badly. Not as well as Wenger, who is working miracles, but good.
Remember we have been without our 2 main defenders for most of the season, so that shots on target is nonsense since ofcourse we will suffer without our 1st choice CB's. chelsea have had their best defense all season to choose from. you only need to look at our results recently to see how much rio and vidic being back has helped. last 5 games, 4 clean sheet and 1 goal conceded. if you take out the 6-1 game (i know this is silly thing to say but i mean we had a red and was only 3-1 with 10mins to go lol) we conceded the least goals in the league by a while
true, they still shown signs of solidness, but against newcastle they got lucky, against liverpool in the league and carling cup though they looked horrible, they had no pace and no desire it seemed and barely created chances. i seen chelsea far too many times this season where they dont look bothered or they get opened up cause of the high line. early on they were so lucky vs WBA, Norwich and then blackburn. they still have alot of work to do.
most mistakes are from the tactics though, high line play can lead to alot of mistakes, playing from the back can lead to a mistake. mistakes are happening cause of the style of play Boas is trying to introduce. so they wont be going away, until atleast he brings in players who are comfortable with the style
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David N'Gog wrote:La Liga is much harder to win though.
yes ofcourse, if you are outside the top 2
that doesnt make it competitive. so scottish league is competitive too? la liga is scottish league but with higher level top teams. no better yet its scottish league with moneyLast edited by ViVaRooney on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:57 am; edited 1 time in total
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There has only been 3 different top twos in the premier league since the 03/04 season 
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Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Because Barcelona have one of the greatest teams of all time and Real Madrid have Ronaldo..ViVaRooney wrote:
. even if the winner in the PL may not change much.. the challenge is alot more varied and competitive
How many different teams have won the premier league since 2005? I will give you a clue.. it is the same as La Liga.
read what i bolded
also we arent talking about history so why has the conversation been taken off track?... i said premier league is the toughest league in 10/11...
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Wrong. How many teams challenged for the title last season?ViVaRooney wrote:Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Because Barcelona have one of the greatest teams of all time and Real Madrid have Ronaldo..
How many different teams have won the premier league since 2005? I will give you a clue.. it is the same as La Liga.
read what i bolded
also we arent talking about history... i said premier league is the toughest league in 10/11...
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Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Wrong. How many teams challenged for the title last season?ViVaRooney wrote:
read what i bolded
also we arent talking about history... i said premier league is the toughest league in 10/11...
do you know what toughest means??
its not just about challengers, its the difference between the top teams and the rest. the matches are so competitive
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Yes I do know what it means I am just waiting for you to mention Stoke away.ViVaRooney wrote:Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Wrong. How many teams challenged for the title last season?
do you know what toughest means??
its not just about challengers, its the difference between the top teams and the rest. the matches are so competitive
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ViVaRooney wrote:David N'Gog wrote:La Liga is much harder to win though.
yes ofcourse, if you are outside the top 2
There is a difference between tough and competitive. You said...
ViVaRooney wrote: he won the toughest league in the world
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Oh god!!
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there is no match in la liga like a rainy night game at stokeFilippo Inzaghi wrote:Yes I do know what it means I am just waiting for you to mention Stoke away.ViVaRooney wrote:
do you know what toughest means??
its not just about challengers, its the difference between the top teams and the rest. the matches are so competitive
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Bilbao away.ViVaRooney wrote:there is no match in la liga like a rainy night game at stokeFilippo Inzaghi wrote:Yes I do know what it means I am just waiting for you to mention Stoke away.
A physical side but with great technical ability.
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Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Bilbao away.ViVaRooney wrote:
there is no match in la liga like a rainy night game at stoke
A physical side but with great technical ability.
Bilbao
Makes stoke look like sumo wrestlers in comparision.
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The toughness of a League for any club to win is defined by either A) The strongest team in the League or, if the club already has the strongest team, B) The second strongest team in the League. For Real Madrid, it is much more difficult to win La Liga than it is for Manchester United to win the Premier League, because they need to finish above Barcelona. Equally for Barcelona, it is much more difficult, as they need to finish above Real Madrid. The strength of sides outside the best two is completely irrelevant, because the top/2nd side will have to face them as well, which will do as much harm to their title chances as to yours.
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you know i was just messin with the stoke comment rightFilippo Inzaghi wrote:Bilbao away.ViVaRooney wrote:
there is no match in la liga like a rainy night game at stoke
A physical side but with great technical ability.
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OhViVaRooney wrote:you know i was just messin with the stoke comment rightFilippo Inzaghi wrote:Bilbao away.
A physical side but with great technical ability.
There was probably someone reading this thread who agreed with that comment so that is to them
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berba out of basel game
Welbeck and rooney then
Welbeck and rooney then
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ViVaRooney wrote:berba out of basel game
Welbeck and rooney then
Isn't that good news?
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I Andy I wrote:ViVaRooney wrote:berba out of basel game
Welbeck and rooney then
Isn't that good news?
Berbatov is better than Welbeck
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VDVSpurs11 wrote:I Andy I wrote:
Isn't that good news?
Berbatov is better than Welbeck
Not at the moment.
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Yeah cause he hardly plays.You expect him to play better.. give the guy a run of games.He is the best to partner Wayne.VivaRonaldo wrote:VDVSpurs11 wrote:
Berbatov is better than Welbeck
Not at the moment.
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VDVSpurs11 wrote:Yeah cause he hardly plays.You expect him to play better.. give the guy a run of games.He is the best to partner Wayne.VivaRonaldo wrote:
Not at the moment.
No. We did that last season and he went on a 9 game goal drought.
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Yeah beacause strikers never have a bad run of form?I Andy I wrote:VDVSpurs11 wrote:
Yeah cause he hardly plays.You expect him to play better.. give the guy a run of games.He is the best to partner Wayne.
No. We did that last season and he went on a 9 game goal drought.
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VDVSpurs11 wrote:Yeah cause he hardly plays.You expect him to play better.. give the guy a run of games.He is the best to partner Wayne.VivaRonaldo wrote:
Not at the moment.
Yes, but during must win games we have to play our strongest available team, and at the moment, Berbatov is far from part of that.
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VivaRonaldo wrote:VDVSpurs11 wrote:
Yeah cause he hardly plays.You expect him to play better.. give the guy a run of games.He is the best to partner Wayne.
Yes, but during must win games we have to play our strongest available team, and at the moment, Berbatov is far from part of that.
Yeah but Fergie should give him starts in other games.It hurts seeing him on the bench.
