BladeGunner14 wrote:Laurencio wrote:
I just find it incredibly surprising how you can not see that Ibrahimovic's technique is very good. I would emplore you to watch more AC Milan matches, because frankly he displays it every week, but if you haven't seen it yet...
Regarding Nesta I meant that he was the best Defender in the world, not the best player. That was clearly Ronaldinho. I do understand the arguement that he was playing for the best side, but from watching Inter matches at the time, I can confidently say that he won the club points on his own, and was without a doubt the single most important, and best, player Inter had. Right now he is easily the best player in AC Milan as well. He was also highly influential in the Juve side that won Serie A (granted it was revoked because of Calciopoli, but that doesn't really change the fact that he did perform very well against all the big teams).
Tevez simply strikes me as a quitter. If Tevez had kept his head down and worked to get into the first eleven Ferguson most likely would have respected that. There was also no reason why Tevez couldn't adapt to playing with Rooney either. He simply gave up. As for Ferguson. Rooney's ability is unquestionable. I don't think anyone was surprised that he would prioritize the younger, and argueably more talented, Wayne Rooney rather than Berbatov. Except maybe Liam.
Tevez obviously has talent, I however do not see him being one of the best strikers in the world. He's certainly in a top 10 bracket, but based on the points we disagree on (his movement and intelligence on and off the ball) I don't see him as being equal to Ibrahimovic. While Ibrahimovic can play without his speed and stamina, this is not the case for Tevez and I could see him decline very quickly once he loses just a little bit of speed.
As I have noted though, the reason I highly doubt he'll be successful at Milan isn't primarily because of a lack of talent. Rather because he is bound to clash with Ibra. Probably because Ibrahimovic and the massively talented Pato will be prioritized (in the same way as Rooney and Berbatov was at Manchester United). Which will lead him to becoming unhappy again, throw his toys out of his pram and want to go back to Argentina or Brazil so he can be the star..
Both in personality and in ability I consider Ibrahimovic a much bigger star than Tevez.
I do watch a fair amount of Milan's games. I'm open-minded though so there's no loss in trying to look at him from a different light, although I don't expect my opinion to change.
I know he's won matches for every team he's played for occasionally. He's a good player and it would be wrong to argue otherwise. I just don't think he's as good as you think. Last year with Milan, he faded away during the second half of the season and Milan became much more dependent on other players. For that reason, I wouldn't say he's easily their best player at all. 13 goals in a league season is simply not good enough for a player who's supposed to be the best player in a championship winning side.
Also, I don't see how you can call Tevez a quitter and criticize his attitude when Ibrahimovic is almost as bad. When Juventus got relegated, he bailed out. Players like Thuram, Zambrotta and Vieira were in the twilight of their careers so it made sense for them to seek alternatives but Ibrahimovic was relatively young. When the going got tough, he ran off to the new best team in Serie A. He spent three seasons with Inter where he was the main player but as soon as Mourinho came and starting buying quality players, he once again left to a superior team where his job should have been even easier. At Barcelona, his evident attitude problem was there for all to see as he couldn't stand the competition for being the star man and he once again left. Did he stay and fight Messi for his position as centre forward? I say he's as much as a quitter as Tevez is.
I think there may be a clash of personalities in Milan but I wouldn't count Tevez out already. I think he will prove his talent and will stake a claim as to why he deserves a spot in the team. You may call him a quitter but he's definitely a fighter and he has always given 100% when he's played. Once again, I'm confident he'll prove me right.
His goals are only part of the equation, his assists as well as his involvement in the overal game is what makes him their best, and most influential player. He should be scoring more goals, yes. But despite that he is still their best and most influential player.
How is Ibrahimovic even remotely as bad? Juve was in the worst scandal in Italian football, relegated, deducted points, and generally disgraced. Ibrahimovic, an ambitious young player who had proven himsef for Juve, had no interest in tumbling around in Serie B. He recieved a better offer from Inter, and he took it. That is entirely fair. I can't really think of anyone who would consider that as "wrong".
He never left Inter because Mourinho bought quality players. Barcelona offered so much money that Inter simply couldn't reject the offer. The money they got from the Ibra deal is what they used to buy Sneijder, to buy Lucio and Milito, with Eto'o being part of the deal. Ibra didn't leave, he was sold and the quality players you mention were bought from the money they recieved for him. He never "quit" Inter.
Once again there was no "stay and fight" scenario at Barcelona. Messi wanted to play in the middle. Ibrahimovic is a striker, his best position is in the centre, and he isn't really effective enough. He wouldn't have fit into a system with Messi in the middle and him out wide. Ibrahimovic was more or less frozen out, and was eventually sent on loan because he fell out with Guardiola. He is a bit of a prima donna, but he's not a "quitter", or even remotely as bad as Tevez.
I think Tevez' history speaks for itself really. He and Ibra will most likely not get along.
