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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:11 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:that team played superbly against chelsea, more then once, thats what fergie probably was thinking.

    if we had gone 4-5-1 i would have been even more down, i would rather we have ago and lose 3-1 then sit back and lose 2-0. if we sat back we wouldnt have gone out our own box. and the game at 1-1 we were in it, it took 2 superb long range efforts to beat us (not saying we deserved to win or anything, just the goals were special)

    That's the problem. He treated the match as though we were playing a normal team, a team we are about as good as, I don't know why he decided to do that, I don't know how you can defend it.

    We had two shots in the entire game, only one of those was on target, and the other was when the game was already lost. If that was his idea of playing an attacking game then again, he did a very bad job, we didn't even get a corner. We were only in it at 1-1 because Rooney disobeyed Ferguson's instructions and got us back into the game. What did Ferguson do? He criticised him for it, berating him on the touchline and had the audacity to tell him 'I know what I'm doing'.

    I really don't know how can defend it.

    I've already told you by the way, I posted a gameplan on here that would have exposed Barcelona's weaknesses, a plan that wouldn't have relied on them being as poor as a bad Chelsea side, and I'm sure it would have been no worse than what Ferguson did that night.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:24 am

    How long has it taken to get over losing 2-0 to Barcelona in the Champions League final in Rome?

    SAF: It was very disappointing.

    What went wrong?

    SAF: I know exactly what went wrong, but I’m not going to get into it. We threw it away, I will say that. I’m not getting into it at all. It’s not even worth talking about.

    That was in 2009. Considering he knew exactly what went wrong there, I wonder why he didn't correct it 2 years later.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:32 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    ViVaRooney wrote:that team played superbly against chelsea, more then once, thats what fergie probably was thinking.

    if we had gone 4-5-1 i would have been even more down, i would rather we have ago and lose 3-1 then sit back and lose 2-0. if we sat back we wouldnt have gone out our own box. and the game at 1-1 we were in it, it took 2 superb long range efforts to beat us (not saying we deserved to win or anything, just the goals were special)

    That's the problem. He treated the match as though we were playing a normal team, a team we are about as good as, I don't know why he decided to do that, I don't know how you can defend it.

    We had two shots in the entire game, only one of those was on target, and the other was when the game was already lost. If that was his idea of playing an attacking game then again, he did a very bad job, we didn't even get a corner. We were only in it at 1-1 because Rooney disobeyed Ferguson's instructions and got us back into the game. What did Ferguson do? He criticised him for it, berating him on the touchline and had the audacity to tell him 'I know what I'm doing'.

    I really don't know how can defend it.

    I've already told you by the way, I posted a gameplan on here that would have exposed Barcelona's weaknesses, a plan that wouldn't have relied on them being as poor as a bad Chelsea side, and I'm sure it would have been no worse than what Ferguson did that night.

    @bold: this already makes you seem like a retarded typical plastic fan on a forum who thinks he knows more then he actually does. coach a team then come back

    on the other stuff.... so now you are complaining cause fergie wanted it to be more defensive?(rooney not push forward) make up your mind
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:47 am

    also tell us these amazing barcelona weakness that you have found that no manager in the world of football has been able to find! please
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    Post by Kuled Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:49 am

    did anyone really expect us to beat Barca anyway? Neutral
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:57 am

    if RR was our manager we would have. DAMN!
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    Post by Kuled Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:58 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:if RR was our manager we would have. DAMN!
    Laughing Sack Fergie and sign up RR. He's be leading us to quintuples every season Very Happy
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:13 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:
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    That's the problem. He treated the match as though we were playing a normal team, a team we are about as good as, I don't know why he decided to do that, I don't know how you can defend it.

    We had two shots in the entire game, only one of those was on target, and the other was when the game was already lost. If that was his idea of playing an attacking game then again, he did a very bad job, we didn't even get a corner. We were only in it at 1-1 because Rooney disobeyed Ferguson's instructions and got us back into the game. What did Ferguson do? He criticised him for it, berating him on the touchline and had the audacity to tell him 'I know what I'm doing'.

    I really don't know how can defend it.

    I've already told you by the way, I posted a gameplan on here that would have exposed Barcelona's weaknesses, a plan that wouldn't have relied on them being as poor as a bad Chelsea side, and I'm sure it would have been no worse than what Ferguson did that night.

    @bold: this already makes you seem like a retarded typical plastic fan on a forum who thinks he knows more then he actually does. coach a team then come back

    on the other stuff.... so now you are complaining cause fergie wanted it to be more defensive?(rooney not push forward) make up your mind

    I have never said I 'wanted it to be more defensive', I simply wanted Ferguson not to use shit tactics that already failed.

    ViVaRooney wrote:also tell us these amazing barcelona weakness that you have found that no manager in the world of football has been able to find! please
    Height. They had Javier Mascherano at centre half, 5 of the front 6 being pretty small men, did we exploit that? No, we used Chicharito and Valencia, who by the way, were absolutely fucking terrible. We also differed in another area, not so much a weakness, but an almighty strength that they have, that strength being central midfield. I would not have sought to counter that almighty strength with an axis of Carrick and Giggs. Now that's mainly because I wouldn't have ever let the midfield get into such a fucking state that Darren Fletcher is a big absence, but even so, I certainly wouldn't have tried to take on the strongest midfield in the history of the game with a good player and a 37 year old winger, but above all, I wouldn't have faced them with a 2 man midfield. Has anyone succeeded against Barca with a formation like that in the last 3 years?

    What I would have would be to bring in Berbatov, to allow us to hold the ball up upfront, rather than Chicharito, who was completely isolated (just like he was a few weeks earlier against Arsenal, I saw that, Ferguson didn't) and doing nothing other than getting caught offside. Valencia should never have played, all he did was fucking foul people and give the ball away, he should have been dragged off at half time, if he was even on the pitch at all.

    O'Shea and Anderson would have been brought into the midfield, replacing the pathetic Park and Giggs, offering us energy and more of that all important height, as well as defensive solidity. We would have shown Barcelona the respect they deserved as one of the greatest club sides ever, we would have changed our tactics accordingly. I don't know if you watched how Mourinho's Inter played against Barcelona in 2010 with 10 men, or how Queiroz's United set up in 2008 against Barca, but it would have been similar to that. Allow Barcelona to have possession, but prevent them from doing anything with it by having bodies in the box, take it to a penalty shootout if that's the best option.

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    ViVaRooney wrote:if RR was our manager we would have. DAMN!
    Laughing Sack Fergie and sign up RR. He's be leading us to quintuples every season Very Happy

    Not necessarily, I'd have to undo some of the damage Ferguson has been doing over the last 2 or 3 years first.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:20 am

    yep you do all that and lose 5-0.

    its all well and good in hindsight. chicarito was there to exploit the only real weakness of barca, which is they hold a high line and allow players to run behind, this didnt work cause we couldnt get the ball Neutral no tactic works against barca cause they have 70% possession in majority of the games. your "tactics" would have made zero difference, you say fergie saw them as just another team.. well so are you

    also on the Inter Jose.. i think you forget the 1st leg where Jose attacked barca and won 3-1.. allowing them to be defensive whores in the 2nd leg. even then barca had a goal disallowed which shouldnt have been and a clear pen not give. Inter still lost that game 1-0. final is 1 leg

    so get your facts straight cause you are just digging a biger hole for yourself everytime you post


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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:22 am

    If Fergie keeps making these selections of late I'm going to ring him up and shout at him then tell him I love him.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:25 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:yep you do all that and lose 5-0.

    its all well and good in hindsight. chicarito was there to exploit the only real weakness of barca, which is they hold a high line and allow players to run behind, this didnt work cause we couldnt get the ball Neutral no tactic works against barca cause they have 70% possession in majority of the games. your "tactics" would have made zero difference, you say fergie saw them as just another team.. well so are you

    Mourinho's tactics worked pretty well when his Real side beat Barca at the Mestalla with 24% possession.

    And do you know how they fucking did it? With a guy beating Mascherano to a header, using HEIGHT.


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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:27 am

    also lets say fergie did everything you said and we still lost 3-1... everyone after final would be like "oh why did we change our style! we should have just stuck to what we know, we would have won then" etc etc

    so again, hindsight is a bitch
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:27 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    ViVaRooney wrote:yep you do all that and lose 5-0.

    its all well and good in hindsight. chicarito was there to exploit the only real weakness of barca, which is they hold a high line and allow players to run behind, this didnt work cause we couldnt get the ball Neutral no tactic works against barca cause they have 70% possession in majority of the games. your "tactics" would have made zero difference, you say fergie saw them as just another team.. well so are you

    Mourinho's tactics worked pretty well when his Inter side smashed Barca at the San Siro with 29% possession.

    check my edit
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:28 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:also lets say fergie did everything you said and we still lost 3-1... everyone after final would be like "oh why did we change our style! we should have just stuck to what we know, we would have won then" etc etc

    so again, hindsight is a bitch
    Agreed.. beforehand everyone was putting Hernandez in their team as he was our striker in form, then after everyone said Fergie should have starter Berba, didn't see any of that before the game. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:39 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:
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    Mourinho's tactics worked pretty well when his Inter side smashed Barca at the San Siro with 29% possession.

    check my edit

    OK, check mine.

    ViVaRooney wrote:also lets say fergie did everything you said and we still lost 3-1... everyone after final would be like "oh why did we change our style! we should have just stuck to what we know, we would have won then" etc etc

    so again, hindsight is a bitch
    Utter shit as usual, we already know what happened when we stuck to our style, we'd seen it years before. And the whole point is that we wouldn't have lost 3-1 if we'd used my tactics, so I don't know why you assume that.

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    ViVaRooney wrote:also lets say fergie did everything you said and we still lost 3-1... everyone after final would be like "oh why did we change our style! we should have just stuck to what we know, we would have won then" etc etc

    so again, hindsight is a bitch
    Agreed.. beforehand everyone was putting Hernandez in their team as he was our striker in form, then after everyone said Fergie should have starter Berba, didn't see any of that before the game. Rolling Eyes

    You should have read my posts then. I understand things you people don't. Maybe you should have watched the Arsenal game as well.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:40 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:You should have read my posts then. I understand things you people don't. Maybe you should have watched the Arsenal game as well.
    Don't say maybe I should have watched the Arsenal game when I fucking did you cheeky kunt m8 I swear.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:47 am

    so its hard enough keeping possession against barca and your answer is Oshea and anderson in midfield? Laughing i think you forget Giggs created our goal...

    berbatov may have held the ball up better but he wouldnt have closed down and even if he did hold it up who is gonna be up there to help him? no point making a awesome first touch then losing the ball.. no pace against barca = you will fail.

    again, you just didnt think anything through, all you have is "height" which is pointless if we arent playing the ball out of defense. with a midfield of Oshea and Anderson we would have lost 6-0 the way they would give the ball away in our half. tactics isnt that big of a deal against barca, against them you need luck and hope they arent at the top of their game.
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    Post by moscowmadeit3 Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:50 am

    A midfield of O'shea and Anderson in the CL final? Are you serious? Neutral
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    Post by Sean Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:53 am

    kyro7 wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:You should have read my posts then. I understand things you people don't. Maybe you should have watched the Arsenal game as well.
    Don't say maybe I should have watched the Arsenal game when I fucking did you cheeky kunt m8 I swear.

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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:11 am

    moscowmadeit3 wrote:A midfield of O'shea and Anderson in the CL final? Are you serious? Neutral

    No, O'Shea, Anderson and Carrick. I would never play a 2 man midfield against Barcelona, it's the most stupid thing I've ever seen from 'the greatest manager of all time'.
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    Post by Danny Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:17 am

    Playing O'Shea would have been even worse.
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    Post by Demoz Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:07 am

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    moscowmadeit3 wrote:A midfield of O'shea and Anderson in the CL final? Are you serious? Neutral

    No, O'Shea, Anderson and Carrick. I would never play a 2 man midfield against Barcelona, it's the most stupid thing I've ever seen from 'the greatest manager of all time'.

    Agree. Even worse was starting Giggs and benching Nani Manchester United FC Official Thread - Page 19 58503 , and the ones trying to disprove RR wrong i remember are the same ones who thought Giggs starting was the right move.
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    10RLegend does the clocks go back in USA?
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:16 am

    i dont think Giggs should have started what you on about, doesnt mean fergie is a bad manager cause of it.... since i am not god of football. i can see why he played him and it wouldnt have mattered who he played. barca showed up at the top of their game and when that happens all you can do is pray and even thats not enough
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    Post by Demoz Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:36 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:10RLegend does the clocks go back in USA?

    Yeah, we get more an hour more of sleep Smile now. But yeah, i'm assuming you're asking about RAW, it's gonna be on at the same time over here which is 6 pm pacific time. It should be on at 2 am in England.
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    Post by Demoz Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:38 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:i dont think Giggs should have started what you on about, doesnt mean fergie is a bad manager cause of it.... since i am not god of football. i can see why he played him and it wouldnt have mattered who he played. barca showed up at the top of their game and when that happens all you can do is pray and even thats not enough

    Wasn't meant for you, sorry. Fergie isn't one, just that a manager of his status one would think he would start players with athleticism and endurance against Barca to help contain their midfield. There is a system to stopping Barca though, Mourinho is the only man in the world right now who has it. Locking up Xavi or Iniesta is more difficult than trying to stop Messi imo.


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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:45 am

    really? he only beaten guardiola's barca twice (with inter and madrid combines)

    copa del ray was extremely lucky. and inter win would also have been overshadowed had barca not been cheated out of it in the 2nd leg

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