Man City fans kicked out for standing up

No i'm not lying kicked out for standing up! This is the section where the atmosphere comes from so everyone stands up as its next to the away fans and i have been in that end once or twice.

Heres a video of an elderly man being kicked out

You can clearly see from that video that the stewards and police are just being way too overly agressive luckily i have not really had any trouble with standing but i am expecting it at one point this season although there was an incident at the Orient match yesterday when some blokes had a go at a fan in front of him in our end to sit down and he wouldn't so it kicked off a bit.

Heres two threads about the incident as well.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=229882
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=236272&start=10

This is why the safe standing petition needs to be signed so if you haven't signed it please do.
http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/safestanding.php

The safe standing petition needs to be signed because people were kicked out for standing where they shouldn't be?

My dad once got kicked out for standing.

Dan wrote:The safe standing petition needs to be signed because people were kicked out for standing where they shouldn't be?

That City stand is where everyone stands up! Its where the atmosphere comes from.

Burytilidie wrote:

Dan wrote:The safe standing petition needs to be signed because people were kicked out for standing where they shouldn't be?

That City stand is where everyone stands up! Its where the atmosphere comes from.

Just because people stand up, doesn't mean it is allowed.

The stewards are perfectly within their rights to kick someone out for standing when they shouldn't be.

So they should just target particular people yet everyone is standing up?

Never said that. Anyone who is persistently breaking the rules and regulations for safety within the stadium should be kicked out, however, that is implausible. I would think that they were removing some in the hope others would take notice and comply with the safety regulations.

It caused more aggro though and now City fans are more angry with stewards just kicking them out so if they were trying to do that it hasn't worked.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Why are you so against safe standing Dan?

Because I have not heard one decent argument for it. If it does come in, I won't complain, I just don't see the point in changing what we have now.

Do you not care about atmosphere? Or more revenue for your club? Or cheaper tickets?

Atmosphere is a stupid argument. There have been many examples of games with amazing atmosphere in all-seater venues. The problem is not that people are sitting, it's that the majority of fans don't care enough to make noise.

As for cheaper tickets, it won't happen. No matter how much people talk about it, clubs will still look to get as much money as possible. Even if it does, the drop would see revenue streams stay around the same level as they are now.

I'm not sure how that video makes anything clear.

Also LOL @ (I'm guessing) the guy filming going "NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE" yet he's there on his mobile filming an old man lying on the floor

Dan wrote:Atmosphere is a stupid argument. There have been many examples of games with amazing atmosphere in all-seater venues. The problem is not that people are sitting, it's that the majority of fans don't care enough to make noise.

As for cheaper tickets, it won't happen. No matter how much people talk about it, clubs will still look to get as much money as possible. Even if it does, the drop would see revenue streams stay around the same level as they are now.

Those games usually have great atmosphere because fans are standing and the stewards relax the rules a little. Why do you think people always go on about away fans creating so much noise? They're never told to sit down.

It's simple economics isn't it? Capacity would increase and costs would be lower meaning that more fans could attend and would be more willing to do so as they're now allowed to stand. Therefore revenue would rise greatly and the club would be inclined to decrease prices until there are no seats left in the standing section.

If they do rebuild standing areas, I'm pretty sure clubs would have to pay a fortune for it on insurance. It wouldn't be worth it.

Ben wrote:

Dan wrote:Atmosphere is a stupid argument. There have been many examples of games with amazing atmosphere in all-seater venues. The problem is not that people are sitting, it's that the majority of fans don't care enough to make noise.

As for cheaper tickets, it won't happen. No matter how much people talk about it, clubs will still look to get as much money as possible. Even if it does, the drop would see revenue streams stay around the same level as they are now.

Those games usually have great atmosphere because fans are standing and the stewards relax the rules a little. Why do you think people always go on about away fans creating so much noise? They're never told to sit down.

It's simple economics isn't it? Capacity would increase and costs would be lower meaning that more fans could attend and would be more willing to do so as they're now allowed to stand. Therefore revenue would rise greatly and the club would be inclined to decrease prices until there are no seats left in the standing section.

If people want to stand in seated areas, I've no problem with that. It's perfectly safe. In fact, I'd rather see that happen than have clubs forced to tear up their seating and install these safe standing devices.

It's not simple economics at all. First there is the cost of installation, then like already pointed out, the increased insurance of a higher capacity. Costs wouldn't lower at all. And also, why would a club significantly drop their prices? Say the club is currently getting £40 a head in a 50,000 stadium. That's £2 million from one game. Say standing increases that to 70,000 . To reach the same level, the club would have to sell tickets priced at £30. That's still expensive. It's a decrease, but it's still expensive. In fact, the club only makes £100,000 more in the 70,000 standing stadium. And that's if the club makes the whole stadium seatless. Making one stand standing only would be even more pointless.

Dan wrote:

Ben wrote:

Those games usually have great atmosphere because fans are standing and the stewards relax the rules a little. Why do you think people always go on about away fans creating so much noise? They're never told to sit down.

It's simple economics isn't it? Capacity would increase and costs would be lower meaning that more fans could attend and would be more willing to do so as they're now allowed to stand. Therefore revenue would rise greatly and the club would be inclined to decrease prices until there are no seats left in the standing section.

If people want to stand in seated areas, I've no problem with that. It's perfectly safe. In fact, I'd rather see that happen than have clubs forced to tear up their seating and install these safe standing devices.

It's not simple economics at all. First there is the cost of installation, then like already pointed out, the increased insurance of a higher capacity. Costs wouldn't lower at all. And also, why would a club significantly drop their prices? Say the club is currently getting £40 a head in a 50,000 stadium. That's £2 million from one game. Say standing increases that to 70,000. To reach the same level, the club would have to sell tickets priced at £30. That's still expensive. It's a decrease, but it's still expensive. In fact, the club only makes £100,000 more in the 70,000 standing stadium. And that's if the club makes the whole stadium seatless. Making one stand standing only would be even more pointless.

I'd prefer standing in seated areas too but it's not going to happen.

Initially yeah, in the short run the costs would rise but in the long run maintenance costs would be far lower, and I don't see why they'd have to pay such high insurance on it.
You're assuming that the stadium is already selling out when for most clubs it isn't. Say it's £35 in a 40,000 seater stadium but the club only sells about 25,000 tickets. That's £875,000 and the club is missing out on a possible extra £525,000 of revenue. Standing then increases the capacity to something like 55,000. The club could then lower prices to £28 (25% reduction) and only need to sell 6,250 more tickets to make the £875,000 when in actual fact the amount of purchases would increase by far more.

Sorry for the dodgy figures, I was using Leeds as an example

Since when did standing up constitute a safety risk?

When you stand in OT all you get is a load of old men staring and shouting at you to sit down.

Ben wrote:

Dan wrote:

If people want to stand in seated areas, I've no problem with that. It's perfectly safe. In fact, I'd rather see that happen than have clubs forced to tear up their seating and install these safe standing devices.

It's not simple economics at all. First there is the cost of installation, then like already pointed out, the increased insurance of a higher capacity. Costs wouldn't lower at all. And also, why would a club significantly drop their prices? Say the club is currently getting £40 a head in a 50,000 stadium. That's £2 million from one game. Say standing increases that to 70,000. To reach the same level, the club would have to sell tickets priced at £30. That's still expensive. It's a decrease, but it's still expensive. In fact, the club only makes £100,000 more in the 70,000 standing stadium. And that's if the club makes the whole stadium seatless. Making one stand standing only would be even more pointless.

I'd prefer standing in seated areas too but it's not going to happen.

Initially yeah, in the short run the costs would rise but in the long run maintenance costs would be far lower, and I don't see why they'd have to pay such high insurance on it.
You're assuming that the stadium is already selling out when for most clubs it isn't. Say it's £35 in a 40,000 seater stadium but the club only sells about 25,000 tickets. That's £875,000 and the club is missing out on a possible extra £525,000 of revenue. Standing then increases the capacity to something like 55,000. The club could then lower prices to £28 (25% reduction) and only need to sell 6,250 more tickets to make the £875,000 when in actual fact the amount of purchases would increase by far more.

Sorry for the dodgy figures, I was using Leeds as an example

A higher capacity would see a larger number of people, so insurance costs would increase just down to that alone. Not just the number of fans, but the increased number of workers needed to deal with the increased number of supporters.

Agree with you on the figures you've given. It would probably benefit some 'smaller' clubs (I was using the Premier League as an example). But I don't think it would benefit the majority. Would reduced ticket prices see a massive increase in supporters? With some clubs, that would go without saying and Leeds would probably benefit from it, but there are a lot of clubs that wouldn't even dream of reducing ticket prices simply because it's too risky. There is no guarantee that lower prices would draw in an increase of fans through the turnstiles.

VivaRonaldo wrote:When you stand in OT all you get is a load of old men staring and shouting at you to sit down.

That's because you sit in the east stand

With more people in the Stadium. That would mean more stewards and Poilce. (cost more)

Plus building new toilets, refreshments stalls ect ... because of the ratio that is in place between the number of people and toilets ect ... IE: 1 toilet for every 200 people. (I don't know the exact figure)

Plus extra car parking spaces needed, and extra infrastructure around the ground to accommodate more people.

It will cost a lot of money to set up. Not worth it. Ticket prices will just stay the same or just increase.

Why the heck can't people stand up when they have a seat? Give me one good reason as to why not. The entire reason for the "all seater" stadium was due to overcapacity of stands. With seats, you don't have that problem. It wasn't the fact that people was standing that caused trouble, it was the fact that there were too many of them.

That is disgusting to watch the way those bastards treated him.

The Maestro wrote:That is disgusting to watch the way those bastards treated him.

Damn straight. If he was a youngun just causing trouble I'd see why, but he's an old faithful fan who is being man handled by 3 cops. What the hell is that about?

While laying on the floor his butt crack was showing, groce.

That's shocking. They should be allowed to stand up. They're not causing any harm, are they?

People always get kicked out for standing, it's pathetic.

This lad went up to Darlo with us and got kicked out for banging on the back, 5 minutes into a game he travelled 5hr 30mins for

Also here is a 14 year old getting assaulted imo





Fucking hate stewards on power trips.

Radford11 wrote:People always get kicked out for standing, it's pathetic.

This lad went up to Darlo with us and got kicked out for banging on the back, 5 minutes into a game he travelled 5hr 30mins for

Also here is a 14 year old getting assaulted imo





Fucking hate stewards on power trips.

Meh he was a youngun, he probably deserved it. I find it funny that they felt they needed 12 or so cops to handle one 14 year old though.