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    is dirty player and a hardman the same thing

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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:46 am

    i say this because my friend seem to think that someone that gets a lot of red card and suspensions is a hardman but to me a hardman is just a very big physical demanding player that instills extra thought proccess in the mind of other players because of the intimidating stature and not necessarily dirty. example: like walter samuel

    he basically says kevin muscat is a hardman but samuel is not or even vidic is not or not as much as muscat or cattermole for example

    like by his logic, totti is a hardman because hes one of the dirtiest cunning players around
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:52 am

    A hardman is a player who acts tough on the pitch, but would probably be squashed if a proper fight broke out.
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    In 1996, Muscat was sent off in his first season in the UK in a match involving Crystal Palace and Norwich City after body checking Norwich player, Darren Eadie which then sparked a 21 man melee where punches were thrown. Two other players were also sent off in the incident.[20]

    Muscat was branded a “lowlife” and a “nobody” by ex-England striker Ian Wright, then of Nottingham Forest, in September 1999. Wright claimed he was about to shoot when he heard Dougie Freedman,
    Forest's other striker, shout "leave it". Wright stepped over the ball
    to allow Freedman to hit it, but instead Muscat (who had, according to
    Wright, merely impersonated Freedman) appeared to clear the ball.[21]

    Muscat was dubbed the "most hated man in football" by then Birmingham City player Martin Grainger in 2000 after a reckless tackle against international teammate, Stan Lazaridis.[22] He seriously injured both Craig Bellamy and Christophe Dugarry, the latter in a friendly international between Australia and France in 2001 with a sliding tackle from behind.[22] The French manager Roger Lemerre dubbed the tackle "an act of brutality".[22][23] It was speculated that Muscat’s temperament was the reason he was never selected for inclusion in an Old Firm derby during his time at Rangers.[24]

    In March 2002, Muscat was sent off after just 9 minutes into a match against Grimsby Town for elbowing striker Michael Boulding. As Wolves went on to lose the match, Muscat was subsequently suspended for 3 matches following the incident.[25]

    In 2003, after only 3 weeks since signing for Millwall, Muscat was fined and reprimanded by Millwall after a match against Watford where he gave away a penalty and was sent off for stomping on Watford's, Danny Webber. Millwall chief executive, Ken Brown, formally warned Muscat that he would be sacked if he did not "clean up his act." "Kevin’s
    actions were totally unacceptable. We have made him aware that such
    behavior will not be tolerated. Any repeat of such a deliberate,
    unprovoked, off-the-ball incident will result in his instant dismissal."[26]


    In 2004, a lawsuit on Muscat brought by former Charlton Athletic player Matty Holmes
    resulted in a settlement of £250,000 plus costs in favour of Holmes,
    bringing the estimated settlement to around £750,000. Holmes had to have
    four operations on his leg following a tackle by Muscat in 1998, and
    there were initial fears that his leg might have to be amputated. The
    claim was settled at the High Court without any admission of liability.[27][28] In a League Cup tie while at Millwall, he grabbed the throat of Liverpool striker Milan Baros.[29] Also in 2004, Iwan Roberts admitted he deliberately stamped on Muscat in a match against Norwich City in revenge for his attempt to injure Craig Bellamy in 1999. Roberts was subsequently fined and suspended by the Football Association for his comments.[30][31]

    In March later that year whilst playing for Millwall, Muscat was red carded and suspended for 5 games for a challenge from behind on Sheffield United player, Ashley Ward which ignited an on-field brawl that involved most players from both teams, including United goalkeeper, Paddy Kenny
    who reportedly ran from the other side of the pitch to get involved and
    was duly sent off along with Muscat. The fracas then continued in the
    tunnel as both players left the pitch with United manager, Neil Warnock, claiming that video footage and images show Kenny being attacked by Millwall players in the tunnel. "Paddy
    Kenny's been headbutted in the tunnel and there's been a player in the
    tunnel with a bottle in his hand thumping one of my lads."
    [32]

    In December 2005, he was the first A-League player to appear before a FFA disciplinary hearing and was subsequently suspended for two matches for "violent conduct".[33] At an A-league game in October 2006 Muscat clashed with then Adelaide United coach John Kosmina,
    knocking Kosmina from his chair while retrieving the ball. Kosmina
    responded by grabbing Muscat by the throat, an action for which Kosmina
    was suspended for four matches.[34][35]

    Muscat's dominant personality and aggressive style did win some admirers in the A-League, with former England international Terry Butcher stating "Every manager in the A-League would love to have Kevin, and I'm no exception".[36]

    In February 2009, Muscat "escaped" further sanction by the FFA for stomping on Adelaide United defender, Daniel Mullen,
    while challenging for the ball. Due to the referee seeing the incident
    during the match, as according to A-League protocol, the Match Review
    Panel had no authority to intervene any further.[37]

    In January 2010, Muscat was suspended for 2 games for elbowing Gold Coast United midfielder, Jason Culina, in an off the ball incident.[38]

    In October 2010, Aston Villa winger Ashley Young recalled he was threatened by Muscat during his first professional match as an 18 year old. "Kevin Muscat said he would break my legs if I went past him," said Young. Their meeting occurred as they were warming up for an encounter between Watford F.C. and Millwall back in September 2003, but Muscat was sent off for stomping on Watford's Danny Webber[39] before Young came on as substitute for Watford.[40]

    In January 2011, Muscat was sent off for elbowing Adelaide United midfielder, Adam Hughes, in the face while following through on a challenge for the ball.[41]

    In his first match back from suspension, Muscat was then suspended for eight matches following a tackle on Melbourne Heart player Adrian Zahra in a Melbourne Derby.[42] The tackle was widely condemned in Australia and around the world, with former Socceroo Mark Bosnich calling it a "disgrace".[43][44] The Sun described it as one of the worst tackles in football history.[45]

    In a professional career spanning 19 years from 1992 to 2011, Muscat
    received 123 yellow cards and 12 red cards throughout his time as a
    professional footballer.[46][47][48][49]


    look at that shit that is not hardman that is just pathetic person who belong in prison being raped by black men
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:55 am

    You can be one or the other or even both.

    Hardmen but not dirty= Gattuso, Torrado.

    Dirty= Angel Reyna, Luis Suarez

    Hardman and dirty= Roy Keane.

    Well that's my interpretation of it anyhow.
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    Post by Grenade Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:48 am

    A hard-man to me is somebody who is tough and aggressive, EG Song.
    A dirty player is usually somebody who plays for Liverpool.
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    Post by Mustangt125 Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:50 am

    They can be different.
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:19 am

    Hard Man is someone who uses his natural strength and size to gain benefit in a match.

    A Dirty Player is someone who plays dirty, does tackles at the feet and not at the ball etc.

    You can one, the other, or both.
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    Post by El Jefe Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:00 pm

    I'd say someone like Samba is a hardman, don't think anyone would mess with him, but he's not an overly dirty player, he's physical, and probably gives away some fouls, but usually nothing malicious.

    A dirty player would be someone like Henry from Wolves, in a one on one with someone like Samba he'd get destroyed, but people think he's a hardman because he kicks the shit out of people from behind.

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