I have the solution to Arsenals problems (serious)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUZlbU-4Mgs


Play that as the teams come out, but have "ARRRRRRRRSENAL" at the start instead.

No need to thank me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMDjRtLu_cA

This belongs here http://www.the-playmaker.com/t8401-would-you-experiment-with-a-gay-guy

Wow for once your thread hasn't pissed me off. Thank you.

Lux wrote:This belongs here http://www.the-playmaker.com/t8401-would-you-experiment-with-a-gay-guy

No it doesn't...

What's with the homophobic comments?

James wrote:What's with the homophobic comments?

What's with the homo wrestling?

Lux wrote:

James wrote:What's with the homophobic comments?

What's with the homo wrestling?

Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

That is the gayest thing i have ever seen.

Lux wrote:

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

There are only a few fake parts, in it. Such as not actually pelting someone full in the face. The moves they do however are real. If you can tell me a way to jump off a 20 foot ladder on to someone while doing it in a way that has no chance of injuring yourself, then let them know.

Alot of it is storylines, bit like Eastenders or Coronation Street. Like you said it is entertainment, but it is also mixed in with wrestling which is a sport.

James wrote:There are only a few fake parts, in it. Such as not actually pelting someone full in the face. The moves they do however are real. If you can tell me a way to jump off a 20 foot ladder on to someone while doing it in a way that has no chance of injuring yourself, then let them know.

So, because something is not possible without hurting yourself, you do it anyway but make it fake? If it's not real, then it takes the whole excitement out of it. Danger is exciting.....a contest and fighting is exciting. Scripted fake bollocks is just dumb.

James wrote:
Alot of it is storylines, bit like Eastenders or Coronation Street. Like you said it is entertainment, but it is also mixed in with wrestling which is a sport.

Exactly .....and it's bad

Lux wrote:

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

Lux wrote:

James wrote:There are only a few fake parts, in it. Such as not actually pelting someone full in the face. The moves they do however are real. If you can tell me a way to jump off a 20 foot ladder on to someone while doing it in a way that has no chance of injuring yourself, then let them know.

So, because something is not possible without hurting yourself, you do it anyway but make it fake? If it's not real, then it takes the whole excitement out of it. Danger is exciting.....a contest and fighting is exciting. Scripted fake bollocks is just dumb.

James wrote:
Alot of it is storylines, bit like Eastenders or Coronation Street. Like you said it is entertainment, but it is also mixed in with wrestling which is a sport.

Exactly .....and it's bad

How is it bad? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others can't fucking enjoy it. I'm sorry but I am proud to say I am a wrestling fan no matter what the fuck anyone says about it. Don't have a go at people for liking something you don't understand and don't like.

One last thing before I finish - Watch this and tell me afterwards if you still don't respect what these guys do. He's a rich fucker and didn't need to do it, but he did for OUR entertainment. I respected the hell out of Shane after this:

Camera tricks ofc.

come on people, i dont like wrestling but it is an art

the amount of work that goes into a match is exceptional

easley91 wrote:

Lux wrote:

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

That Youtube comment is shit.

"The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

That could all relate to footballers.

You tell these people wrestling is 'gay'. You wouldn't get a reaction like this in MOST football matches or any other sporting event/concert. The passion fans have for this industry is unreal and I have always believed wrestling fans are the most loyal fan base in the world of anything.

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Lux wrote:

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

That Youtube comment is shit.

"The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

That could all relate to footballers.

But how many footballers have died at a young age in recent years due to drugs they were forced to take just because they wanted to play football for a living because they loved it so much? I know injuries happen in football and other sports. These wrestlers miss their children growing up, birthdays, Christmases, you name it, just to wrestle. They are on the road 300+ days a year, with no summer break, no winter break no break at all. They push their bodies to the limit year in and year out.

easley91 wrote:How is it bad? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others can't fucking enjoy it. I'm sorry but I am proud to say I am a wrestling fan no matter what the fuck anyone says about it. Don't have a go at people for liking something you don't understand and don't like.

.......

I never said you can't enjoy it, but I have my own opinion......and it's as simple as that.

I understand everything there is to know about wrestling, it's quite sad that you would assume that because I don't like wrestling I obviously don't understand it. Anyone who understands wrestling would love it because it's the best thing ever

P.S. James.....I don't care what Wrestlers go through. Africans travel 10 miles to get water, that doesn't make it a good thing to watch.

easley91 wrote:

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Lux wrote:

James wrote:Nothing 'homo' about it. As has been said before, there are many players who do things that straight men wouldn't usually do. Doesn't make football a mostly gay sport.

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

That Youtube comment is shit.

"The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

That could all relate to footballers.

But how many footballers have died at a young age in recent years due to drugs they were forced to take just because they wanted to play football for a living because they loved it so much? I know injuries happen in football and other sports. These wrestlers miss their children growing up, birthdays, Christmases, you name it, just to wrestle. They are on the road 300+ days a year, with no summer break, no winter break no break at all. They push their bodies to the limit year in and year out.

And footballers don't? Playing at the top level is hardly easy? They've got to make a hell of a lot of sacrifices themselves. Sure, they're paid loads, but they've got to deal with the disgusting and obsessive media in this country every single day. People that would willingly make up shit to earn a quick bit of money. There's been players that have killed themselves in recent years. It's not easy either.

And anyone that dies from drug use has no respect from me. I don't care if it was there dream to be a wrestler or not. Nobody forced them to take anything, if they died from it, that's their fault.

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Lux wrote:

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

That Youtube comment is shit.

"The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

That could all relate to footballers.

But how many footballers have died at a young age in recent years due to drugs they were forced to take just because they wanted to play football for a living because they loved it so much? I know injuries happen in football and other sports. These wrestlers miss their children growing up, birthdays, Christmases, you name it, just to wrestle. They are on the road 300+ days a year, with no summer break, no winter break no break at all. They push their bodies to the limit year in and year out.

And footballers don't? Playing at the top level is hardly easy? They've got to make a hell of a lot of sacrifices themselves. Sure, they're paid loads, but they've got to deal with the disgusting and obsessive media in this country every single day. People that would willingly make up shit to earn a quick bit of money. There's been players that have killed themselves in recent years. It's not easy either.

And anyone that dies from drug use has no respect from me. I don't care if it was there dream to be a wrestler or not. Nobody forced them to take anything, if they died from it, that's their fault.

I get what you are saying, but footballers are not on the road 300+ times a year. They live nearby, go to training everyday then travel down a day before the match, maybe 2 if it's a long journey. Even a team playing in Europe, the players get a hell of alot of time to spend with their families.

Another thing, a footballer has a bad performace.. No worries.. They'll have plenty of other chances to show how good they are.

A wrestler has a bad performance on a big stage and he most likely wont get another chance anytime soon.

Why do people like Wrestling?Two sweaty men in speedo's jumping on top of each other?

easley91 wrote:

You tell these people wrestling is 'gay'. You wouldn't get a reaction like this in MOST football matches or any other sporting event/concert. The passion fans have for this industry is unreal and I have always believed wrestling fans are the most loyal fan base in the world of anything.

Lets do a fair comparison. If Manchester United were playing Liverpool, in the Champions League Final, and Ferguson and Dalglish had been giving each other shit for weeks, and both men were retiring if United won, and the match was being played IN OLD TRAFFORD, I reckon you'd get an atmosphere 10 times as good as that.

easley91 wrote:

You tell these people wrestling is 'gay'. You wouldn't get a reaction like this in MOST football matches or any other sporting event/concert. The passion fans have for this industry is unreal and I have always believed wrestling fans are the most loyal fan base in the world of anything.

So basically, it's just religious people.....but they actually know it's not real.

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Dan wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Lux wrote:

The difference being, that footballers are booed for faking and diving. Wrestlers are applauded for it.

It's a show, not a sport. It's "entertainment" but it's fake, but there's a shallow attempt to make it seem real....and people turn a blind eye for some reason.

It's pointless, I could understand it when 5-8 year olds liked wrestling....(though even at that age I thought it was stupid)......but as a grown man I just feel embarrassed for people who like it.

Seriously though...

Do you know what those guys and girls go through on a daily basis just to entertain people like me, James and the others in the WWE chat thread as well as BILLIONS across the globe? They really do sacrifice their bodies just to entertain people, and I respect them more than footballers for that. I found this comment on a youtube video and I think it explains it really well:

"Wrestling is a Performance. The Story is Made up. the moves are
preplanned. and the winner is chosen ahead of time. Wrestling is Drama.
Like movies and TV shows. However, The sacrifices that go along with
Wrestling are not. The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

I've always loved this video because what Triple H says at the end is so fucking true and explains it:

That Youtube comment is shit.

"The Pain, The broken bones, broken homes, Deaths, etc
happen. They are real people with real lives and no one but the
wrestling fan and the fellow workers seem to get that."

That could all relate to footballers.

But how many footballers have died at a young age in recent years due to drugs they were forced to take just because they wanted to play football for a living because they loved it so much? I know injuries happen in football and other sports. These wrestlers miss their children growing up, birthdays, Christmases, you name it, just to wrestle. They are on the road 300+ days a year, with no summer break, no winter break no break at all. They push their bodies to the limit year in and year out.

And footballers don't? Playing at the top level is hardly easy? They've got to make a hell of a lot of sacrifices themselves. Sure, they're paid loads, but they've got to deal with the disgusting and obsessive media in this country every single day. People that would willingly make up shit to earn a quick bit of money. There's been players that have killed themselves in recent years. It's not easy either.

And anyone that dies from drug use has no respect from me. I don't care if it was there dream to be a wrestler or not. Nobody forced them to take anything, if they died from it, that's their fault.

Okay I see we're not going to agree on the wrestlers themselves, but I'll tell it from a my point of view and why I love it and will continue to watch it, even when it's shit. I grew up watching it, and it captured me at a young age, then the attitude era came around when I was roughly 7 or 8. While in middle school everyone of my mates watched it and loved it, it was all we spoke about (that and football). As we all grew older, they stopped watching it, and I didn't for the simple fact it was one thing that was a apart of me, and the first time I went to watch wrestling live (2002 I remember as it was Arsenal vs Chelsea FA Cup final with Lovejoy commentating that year I believe if I remember correctly?) I felt like I belonged there. Now throughout the next school I went to (Hazelwick for GCSEs) I was ridiculed for watching wrestling and tried to hide the fact I watched it still most of the time. When I left that school and went on to college everyone I knew and was friends with watched wrestling and again I felt like I belonged and it was right. From that point I decided to no longer hide my love for pro wrestling. I know it's not real, and the moves aren't done properly (well most) but it still entertains me and gets me more emotional at times than most other programmes and even football. I cried my eyes out the night I found out Benoit had died (obviously before everything came out) and cried when Randy Savage passed away recently, and others. The emotion I get from some promos at times cannot be explained. Ric Flair's farewell for example when you could see the tears in his eyes as old friends and 'rivals' came to the ring to say thank you and the fans chanting 'thank you ric!' was a moment I will never forget. Hall of Fame ceremonies are usually where the emotional speeches are made and it is something that cannot be explained. Wrestling takes me away from the real world at times and helps forget about the shit that has happened in my life, I can watch old promos and matches and laugh, smile or cry.

I don't know if others who like wrestling on here feel the same as I do and how I described it, but that is basically just my view on it and why I love it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

easley91 wrote:

You tell these people wrestling is 'gay'. You wouldn't get a reaction like this in MOST football matches or any other sporting event/concert. The passion fans have for this industry is unreal and I have always believed wrestling fans are the most loyal fan base in the world of anything.

Lets do a fair comparison. If Manchester United were playing Liverpool, in the Champions League Final, and Ferguson and Dalglish had been giving each other shit for weeks, and both men were retiring if United won, and the match was being played IN OLD TRAFFORD, I reckon you'd get an atmosphere 10 times as good as that.

I said most, meaning there would be occasions of the same or even better reactions, but most of the time it wouldn't equal that.