How strong is the Championship compared to the rest of Europ

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

No it shouldn't. The rankings are based on performances on the European stage against teams from the other leagues. Shut up.

Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.

Where they will lose.

Probably, yes. But they beat a top team in Estonia and they are ahead of Luxembourg, and what have Malta done in Europe over the last few seasons? Same with Wales too. Luxembourg should be ahead of those leagues. Should be just below Iceland imo.

Obviously more than Luxembourg, as they wouldn't be ahead of Luxembourg if they had been worse.

It doesn't always work like that though. Effectively, Spanish teams have done a lot more in Europe in previous years than English teams, but England is comfortably ahead.

Southampton aren't a huge club......

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

No it shouldn't. The rankings are based on performances on the European stage against teams from the other leagues. Shut up.

Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.

Where they will lose.

Probably, yes. But they beat a top team in Estonia and they are ahead of Luxembourg, and what have Malta done in Europe over the last few seasons? Same with Wales too. Luxembourg should be ahead of those leagues. Should be just below Iceland imo.

Obviously more than Luxembourg, as they wouldn't be ahead of Luxembourg if they had been worse.

Wrong. The leagues as a whole maybe better, but as said, this is based on performances in Europe. A Luxemborgo team has made it to the Europa Playoffs, Maltese teams and Welsh teams struggle to make it past Round 1 and 2.

cheesy wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

No it shouldn't. The rankings are based on performances on the European stage against teams from the other leagues. Shut up.

Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.

Where they will lose.

Probably, yes. But they beat a top team in Estonia and they are ahead of Luxembourg, and what have Malta done in Europe over the last few seasons? Same with Wales too. Luxembourg should be ahead of those leagues. Should be just below Iceland imo.

I admire you're wide range of footballing knowledge.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=luxembourg+national+football+team

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

dena wrote:Let's see how Birmingham does in the Europa League and then make a judgement based off that.

This.
We already drew away from home against a Portugese 5/6th team and we should have won tbh. If we play like we did away at home then we will batter them.

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

dena wrote:Let's see how Birmingham does in the Europa League and then make a judgement based off that.

This.
We already drew away from home against a Portugese 5/6th team and we should have won tbh. If we play like we did away at home then we will batter them.

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

They will be quite a bit bothered about the Europa, It is a big competition for leagues outside of the top 5 where the chances are slim of a team from that nation winning the Champions league also the only teams I who aren't bothered about the Europa are Spurs/Pool/City because they feel they can compete in the Champions league but for clubs such as Stoke/Fulham it is a brilliant achievement to even qualify, Nacional are on asimilar level to these clubs in the portugese league.

cheesy wrote:

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Dan wrote:

Pip wrote:

Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.

Where they will lose.

Probably, yes. But they beat a top team in Estonia and they are ahead of Luxembourg, and what have Malta done in Europe over the last few seasons? Same with Wales too. Luxembourg should be ahead of those leagues. Should be just below Iceland imo.

Obviously more than Luxembourg, as they wouldn't be ahead of Luxembourg if they had been worse.

It doesn't always work like that though. Effectively, Spanish teams have done a lot more in Europe in previous years than English teams, but England is comfortably ahead.

No, it does work like that.

Besides 2010, England have had a finalist in every final since 2005, with two in 2008. Real Madrid have been shite in Europe every year bar last season, with only Barcelona really shining in the Champions League. On the other hand, in that same timeframe, England have had Arsenal, Liverpool (2), Chelsea and Man United (3) appear in Finals. Liverpool have been in the semi-finals three times, with Chelsea and United making numerous appearances.

Spain, have the hand over us in the Europa League, with Sevilla and Atletico winning it, without an English response. Even though Boro and Fulham have both reached finals.

Over the past five years, with the exception of Barcelona, Spain haven't done much in Europe compared to England.

bcfcben wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

dena wrote:Let's see how Birmingham does in the Europa League and then make a judgement based off that.

This.
We already drew away from home against a Portugese 5/6th team and we should have won tbh. If we play like we did away at home then we will batter them.

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

dena wrote:Let's see how Birmingham does in the Europa League and then make a judgement based off that.

This.
We already drew away from home against a Portugese 5/6th team and we should have won tbh. If we play like we did away at home then we will batter them.

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

There is barely any financial gain for the Europa League.

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:
This.
We already drew away from home against a Portugese 5/6th team and we should have won tbh. If we play like we did away at home then we will batter them.

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

There is barely any financial gain for the Europa League.

Read the part in bold. I know that promotion will give you a lot more money, but I would happily take success over money.

cheesy wrote:

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

cheesy wrote:

Problem is, how much does that Portuguese team care about the competition? I'm sure their main focus will be on the league, like is the case with most Premier League teams in the Europa League.

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

There is barely any financial gain for the Europa League.

Read the part in bold. I know that promotion will give you a lot more money, but I would happily take success over money.

Is promotion not a successful season now?

What is likelier? Promotion or Europa League success?

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

bcfcben wrote:

Our domestic targets are more important then theres though as they know they will be in the top league whereas we are rotting in the Championship. Promotion >>>> European football

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

There is barely any financial gain for the Europa League.

Read the part in bold. I know that promotion will give you a lot more money, but I would happily take success over money.

Is promotion not a successful season now?

What is likelier? Promotion or Europa League success?

Promotion, but Europa League success would undoubtedly be a lot more enjoyable.

Smh at some people not knowing how important promotion is. Just because ive experienced the Prem doesnt mean ive been there, done that and worn the t-shirt therefore i cant be arsed with it again. Promotion = money, we have no money. Promtion = better players, our players are currently shite. Promotion means we play against Man United etc, we play Doncaster. Whereas Europa = play foreign teams and go foreign countries. Promotion >>> Europa league at the moment.

cheesy wrote:

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

Dan wrote:

cheesy wrote:

I disagree with this. Sure, promotion is good, but you have already experienced it many times. European football, however, is very different. You will be lucky to experience it in your lifetime. Apart from the obvious financial gain, what else can promotion give you that is better.

There is barely any financial gain for the Europa League.

Read the part in bold. I know that promotion will give you a lot more money, but I would happily take success over money.

Is promotion not a successful season now?

What is likelier? Promotion or Europa League success?

Promotion, but Europa League success would undoubtedly be a lot more enjoyable.

Post above this proves otherwise.

bcfcben wrote:Smh at some people not knowing how important promotion is. Just because ive experienced the Prem doesnt mean ive been there, done that and worn the t-shirt therefore i cant be arsed with it again. Promotion = money, we have no money. Promtion = better players, our players are currently shite. Promotion means we play against Man United etc, we play Doncaster. Whereas Europa = play foreign teams and go foreign countries. Promotion >>> Europa league at the moment.

Exactly. Only a glory hunter would want Europa League success, as another jewel in their crown. A team can't build off of Europa league success if they are in the Championship.

xPeterLFC95 wrote:

bcfcben wrote:Smh at some people not knowing how important promotion is. Just because ive experienced the Prem doesnt mean ive been there, done that and worn the t-shirt therefore i cant be arsed with it again. Promotion = money, we have no money. Promtion = better players, our players are currently shite. Promotion means we play against Man United etc, we play Doncaster. Whereas Europa = play foreign teams and go foreign countries. Promotion >>> Europa league at the moment.

Exactly. Only a glory hunter would want Europa League success, as another jewel in their crown. A team can't build off of Europa league success if they are in the Championship.

I wish i had written that, would have saved me about 5 minutes of thinking for my original post .

Being in a promotion battle is very exciting, I remember back when Oldham were constantly fighting for the play-offs when I had season tickets their It was an incredible feeling, What makes it worse is that all our rivals at the time have gone on to feature in the prem Wigan, Blackpool and QPR If the owners hadn't have fucked about we would be in the Championship now instead of on the brink of relegation. Promotion is a huge achievement and it's difficult to understand unless you've been in that position.

xPeterLFC95 wrote:

bcfcben wrote:Smh at some people not knowing how important promotion is. Just because ive experienced the Prem doesnt mean ive been there, done that and worn the t-shirt therefore i cant be arsed with it again. Promotion = money, we have no money. Promtion = better players, our players are currently shite. Promotion means we play against Man United etc, we play Doncaster. Whereas Europa = play foreign teams and go foreign countries. Promotion >>> Europa league at the moment.

Exactly. Only a glory hunter would want Europa League success, as another jewel in their crown. A team can't build off of Europa league success if they are in the Championship.

For a team in the Championship?

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Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.[/quote]

Well they did advance to that round this year but should it really change the coefficents since it was not won on the field? Since they would have lost 0-6 if Olympiakos Volou was not excluded from the tournament I cannot give them any credit for this.

Weather130 wrote:

Pip wrote:
Yeah and Differdange have made it to the Europa League playoffs.

Well they did advance to that round this year but should it really change the coefficents since it was not won on the field? Since they would have lost 0-6 if Olympiakos Volou was not excluded from the tournament I cannot give them any credit for this.

Is that why they got through?.

dena wrote:

xPeterLFC95 wrote:

bcfcben wrote:Smh at some people not knowing how important promotion is. Just because ive experienced the Prem doesnt mean ive been there, done that and worn the t-shirt therefore i cant be arsed with it again. Promotion = money, we have no money. Promtion = better players, our players are currently shite. Promotion means we play against Man United etc, we play Doncaster. Whereas Europa = play foreign teams and go foreign countries. Promotion >>> Europa league at the moment.

Exactly. Only a glory hunter would want Europa League success, as another jewel in their crown. A team can't build off of Europa league success if they are in the Championship.

For a team in the Championship?

To be fair we have no chance of winning it anyway which is why Nacional will probably focus more on the Europa then we will.

Anyway people im off to listen tp the Blues game, so if i dont reply to any comments in here then thats the reason.

Most likely the Championship is in the upper half of the rankings but exactly where would be very hard to tell since no other major league have 24 teams. Also the playoffs help a lot since otherwise with a few games left teams in like 10th or 11th would have nothing to play for.

11-20. Is it really more watch than Seria A? I find that hard to believe.

grenade187 wrote:11-20. Is it really more watch than Seria A? I find that hard to believe.

It may have changed now but I remember reading it somewhere a few years back

EDIT: found the article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-566567/Coca-Cola-Championship-fourth-watched-League-Europe.html

IMO our third division is very strong as well with teams such as Sheffield United, Charlton, Preston and Bury.

Burytilidie wrote:IMO our third division is very strong as well with teams such as Sheffield United, Charlton, Preston and Bury.

Oldham > League 1

6 Bury 4 1 7
13 Oldham 4 -1 6

i dont think championshipo is very good or any other second division league for this matter

many national teams that use championship players are shit. i think this is indicative of the level of play

those team like australia scotland wales for example

poor teams that cant trap the ball but have players rife in championship

competitive the championship indeed

but competitive does not mean high quality

u can get 2 blind guys fight in a boxing ring...this would be pretty competitive but at the same time poor to watch. not a expert on championship, i have little time to watch second division leagues but from wat i seen of it on fox, its shocking quality. perhaps there are a c ouple nice teams and individual players but they dont speak for an entire league but then again this can make me sound like hypocrite. however from the basis of what ive seen which was only a few games last season i was never impressed especially when i have english friends who say championship is better than eredivisie, russia, argentina, mexico etc which is just ridiculous

mauro=beast wrote:i dont think championshipo is very good or any other second division league for this matter

many national teams that use championship players are shit. i think this is indicative of the level of play

those team like australia scotland wales for example

poor teams that cant trap the ball but have players rife in championship

competitive the championship indeed

but competitive does not mean high quality

u can get 2 blind guys fight in a boxing ring...this would be pretty competitive but at the same time poor to watch. not a expert on championship, i have little time to watch second division leagues but from wat i seen of it on fox, its shocking quality. perhaps there are a c ouple nice teams and individual players but they dont speak for an entire league but then again this can make me sound like hypocrite. however from the basis of what ive seen which was only a few games last season i was never impressed especially when i have english friends who say championship is better than eredivisie, russia, argentina, mexico etc which is just ridiculous

Championship = more watched than Serie A

like some young neighborhood kids peeping tom on a fat woman having a shower