Shearer or Bergkamp?

blackskar wrote:Bergkamp

Mals old name.

Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Steadman wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

dena wrote:If Ruud is the other striker Bergkamp just to make the team better.

Henry is obviously.

Arsenal run this forum

Yeah because Thierry Henry getting voted into a Best Premier League Team is really out of the ordinary.

Henry is fine, Bergkamp isn't.

dena wrote:Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Look famalam, it's not about how well a team plays, it's about the individuals being in the team for what they done in the Premier League.

Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Bergkamp is Dutch so should not be in the team though, I choose Ruud.

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Maybe, it's close.

Van Nistelrooy has had a much better premiership career than him though.

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Look famalam, it's not about how well a team plays, it's about the individuals being in the team for what they done in the Premier League.

Well no because when I pick XI's I always envision how the team will play together, football is all about balance within the side and cohesion between the players. When the collective balance of the side is achieved the great player emerges, so even when discussing a fictitious XI of players from different eras or different leagues I must always have this ethos and philosophy in consideration.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Maybe, it's close.

Van Nistelrooy has had a much better premiership career than him though.

If you look at my post in the voting thread you would see I picked Henry and Ruud. If this was based on individual talent and not goalscoring records Bergkamp would easily make the team, as it is taking into account what they achieved plus talent wise, I agree Ruud should be there.

If it were a choice between the two in the threads poll, my vote always goes to Bergkamp.

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

dena wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Look famalam, it's not about how well a team plays, it's about the individuals being in the team for what they done in the Premier League.

Well no because when I pick XI's I always envision how the team will play together, football is all about balance within the side and cohesion between the players. When the collective balance of the side is achieved the great player emerges, so even when discussing a fictitious XI of players from different eras or different leagues I must always have this ethos and philosophy in consideration.

So because you think a team wont play as well you leave out players that have done better in the league and deserve to get in the team, especially when this isn't anything to do with how they play?

Okay.

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

Messi?

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Look famalam, it's not about how well a team plays, it's about the individuals being in the team for what they done in the Premier League.

Well no because when I pick XI's I always envision how the team will play together, football is all about balance within the side and cohesion between the players. When the collective balance of the side is achieved the great player emerges, so even when discussing a fictitious XI of players from different eras or different leagues I must always have this ethos and philosophy in consideration.

So because you think a team wont play as well you leave out players that have done better in the league and deserve to get in the team, especially when this isn't anything to do with how they play?

Okay.

I'm glad we've come to an understanding.

blackskar wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

Messi?

Yeah, you know, Lionel.

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

dena wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

dena wrote:Well if Henry is the other striker I still choose Bergkamp to make the team better.

Look famalam, it's not about how well a team plays, it's about the individuals being in the team for what they done in the Premier League.

Well no because when I pick XI's I always envision how the team will play together, football is all about balance within the side and cohesion between the players. When the collective balance of the side is achieved the great player emerges, so even when discussing a fictitious XI of players from different eras or different leagues I must always have this ethos and philosophy in consideration.

So because you think a team wont play as well you leave out players that have done better in the league and deserve to get in the team, especially when this isn't anything to do with how they play?

Okay.

I'm glad we've come to an understanding.

ite leng

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:Bergkamp is better than Shearer though.

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

I'm just saying, we're looking at a striker. Shearer is a better striker. Having more 'talent' is irrelevant.

Put it this way, whoever wins decides whether it's a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1?

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

I'm just saying, we're looking at a striker. Shearer is a better striker. Having more 'talent' is irrelevant.

Why does it have to be a flat 4-4-2?

Bergkamp and Henry would pair better than Shearer and Henry, I agree Shearer would be better in a traditional 4-4-2 but imo Bergkamp was better and therefore a minor change in formation to include a better player would be justifiable.

All of this is nonsense anyway, Ruud should be paired with Henry and we can end this thread.

kyro7 wrote:Put it this way, whoever wins decides whether it's a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1?

Exactly. Only a minor change.

Ruud wins, 4-4-2 it is, agreed?

Good.

I voted for him, so yes. I demand a recount.


Not really, i'm bored with this.

I was gonna vote for Michael Owen actually, 20 league goals a season yaknow.

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Goal record says otherwise. For the position of striker, Shearer was better.

Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

I'm just saying, we're looking at a striker. Shearer is a better striker. Having more 'talent' is irrelevant.

Yes Bergkamp plays as a striker

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:
Talent wise Bergkamp shits on Shearer.

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

I'm just saying, we're looking at a striker. Shearer is a better striker. Having more 'talent' is irrelevant.

Yes Bergkamp plays as a striker

Not really.

While we're on the topic, I thought I'd ask this. I was thinking about doing the team thread like they do on Goal.com etc. Put the player with maybe a picture and write a few sentences about him, and who they beat to the position. If not that, I could just write the team. Does anyone mind either way, or...? I thought I might as well put a little bit of effort into it.

How much longer will the first one take?

Steadman wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Dan wrote:

Steadman wrote:

Dan wrote:

Talent wise Messi shits on Jamie Carragher, but I know who I'd rather have in defence.

How is that relevant?

Both Bergkamp and Shearer were forwards, sure Bergkamp was a center forward while Bergkamp played as a withdrawn striker but you can still compare them easily enough. You can easily fit Bergkamp into the team by just moving one of the striker positions to make it a 4-4-1-1 wouldn't make any difference.

If you asked me if i'd rather have Shearer in my team as a center forward or Bergkamp in my team as a second striker, i'd still choose Bergkamp.

I'm just saying, we're looking at a striker. Shearer is a better striker. Having more 'talent' is irrelevant.

Yes Bergkamp plays as a striker

Not really.

Where does he play then