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ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:That's the difference between you and I Dan, I present logical arguments, you present emoticons designed by someone else. Pro-tip, comebacks/insults aren't impressive if you just click on them from a smileys box available to everyone.

Check the rule book lad. Then comeback to me with a another 'logical' argument of yours. A shoulder charge is perfectly legal as long as there is not excessive and dangerous force. If you think there was excessive and dangerous force in that challenge, I'd suggest not playing football and take up something like Tennis.

The rule is that it's a foul if it is careless, reckless or using excessive force. Howard Webb gave a foul, but no yellow card, which makes it pretty clear that, like me, he thought it was careless.

You asserted that it was only a foul if excessive or dangerous force was used, that is incorrect. Given that you don't even know the rules properly, I don't know on what basis you venture to question Howard Webb, who has had a very successful career applying those rules.

Mr Leiva wrote:

Dean wrote:

easley91 wrote:

Dean wrote:

Jay wrote:Dean I've got 2 questions
1) Where do you sit
2) Did you see the streaker?

Sat in the upper centenary today, not my normal season ticket spec in the Kop. And yes I did see the streaker, was about as funny as aids. The stupid cunts running all over the pitch, the prick stewards aren't even chasing him and it was fucking Lucas and Reina who stopped him.

AND, AND to top it off. The Liverpool fans start clapping him off? Yeah, that's right, clap him off, he's only wasted 4 minutes of our time and we're 2-0 down. Bellend's.

There was 5 added minutes though because of him wasn't there? so the ref added it on didn't he?

I haven't disputed that. All's I'm saying is, some our crowd were clapping and cheering the streaker off the pitch, what they fail to realise is, the cunt's just wasted valuable minutes. And as for the stewards, what a bunch of assholes. They stood there looking at him, an I'm being serious. It was Reina and Lucas who ended up slide tackling him to stop him.

I'm no killjoy, but fucking hell, it's difficult to see the funny side when you're 2-0 down.

This. I sat in the same stand as Dean. The stewards had him some akward head/arm lock and dragged him off the pitch. What an utter cunt thoo. Reina wasn't happy, and Lucas should have knocked him out

kyro7 wrote:Dean, do you actually pronounced gotta as gorra' in real life?

Mr Leiva wrote:

Here is a pic I took of the lap of honor. Sorry for the rubbish quality.

Jay wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Dean, do you actually pronounced gotta as gorra' in real life?

Most Scousers do when they talk fast

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Here is a pic I took of the lap of honor. Sorry for the rubbish quality.

You weren't far from me

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:That's the difference between you and I Dan, I present logical arguments, you present emoticons designed by someone else. Pro-tip, comebacks/insults aren't impressive if you just click on them from a smileys box available to everyone.

Check the rule book lad. Then comeback to me with a another 'logical' argument of yours. A shoulder charge is perfectly legal as long as there is not excessive and dangerous force. If you think there was excessive and dangerous force in that challenge, I'd suggest not playing football and take up something like Tennis.

The rule is that it's a foul if it is careless, reckless or using excessive force. Howard Webb gave a foul, but no yellow card, which makes it pretty clear that, like me, he thought it was careless.

You asserted that it was only a foul if excessive or dangerous force was used, that is incorrect. Given that you don't even know the rules properly, I don't know on what basis you venture to question Howard Webb, who has had a very successful career applying those rules.

So, because Howard Webb gave it, that means it is 100% to the rules. Because last time I checked, the rules stated that to get a penalty, the offence needed to have occured inside the box?.

Mr Leiva wrote:

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Here is a pic I took of the lap of honor. Sorry for the rubbish quality.

You weren't far from me

Where did you sit then ...

Dean wrote:Just got back then. Well, a little disappointed I have to say. I hate seeing Liverpool any game, but I'm not 'devastated' by the result. It now looks like Tottenham have got fifth place. That's fine with me. We can just look forward to next season now and we've pretty much got a straight run at trying winning the Premier League (Because we can do it, IF we buy the right players), no stupid fucking trips to Romania on Thursday nights and then having to play on Sunday, it winds me up so much and you're always playing catch up with the rest of the teams and your players are fatigued from the long journeys. We won't be playing out of England at all next season and we've got the Premier League, Carling Cup and FA Cup to focus on. Plenty of competition still. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have minded at all if we had of beat Tottenham today and clinched the only available Europa League squad, but I'm not really disappointed by not getting it, for the reasons I've just given. As I said, there is no distraction, no catch up, no long trips. We can pretty much focus all our attention on the League and the two domestic cups (And I'd like a good run in one of the cups again, we haven't been on one for ages).

And on the game, well, it just never really went our way, Tottenham flew out the blocks and we're all over us the first ten minutes, admittedly, we didn't start well at all and van der Vaart scored what look to me like a beauty, complete fluke though and it can happen to any one, he just took a right ole stab at it with his right foot and unfortunately for us, found it's way into the top corner of goal. After the goal, it was pretty much even. Tottenham never really threatened but then on the other hand, we never tested Cudicini, did he actually have a save to make? Apart from a few loose efforts outside the area? Back four pretty much done it's job, Flano played well again, had Pienaar in his back pocket to be honest, got turned a few times mind, but, dealt with the danger pretty well. Carragher and Skrtel were ok. Johnson I thought had a very good game going forward, he had Kaboul all ends up, it was pretty funny actually. He was all over the place, simply couldn't handle the skill and pace of Johnson and with Johno being on the left, he cut in quite a bit as well and Kaboul just couldn't read him. He played well and was never troubled by Lennon, Lennon was pretty quite actually.

Maxi did ok, his passing and movement was spot on as usual, he just never had the service and support today from his fellow team mates. Kuyt worked his bollocks off again and looked like the only who wanted a go today. Him and Danny Rose had a good battle today, as Kuyt mainly played from the right, came in a lot which made it difficult for Rose to follow, but Danny impresses me. I've played football with him before, when I was at Tottenham myself, he's a good lad as well, it's good to see him progressing, he'll make a good full back. Lucas and Spearing were ok too I thought, they did ok, but to be fair, Modric absolutely ran the show in the middle, he's fucking great player him. Neither of them could get near him to be fair. Suarez was ok, had the defenders all over the shop at points. Carroll didn't do too bad, however he didn't win a header all day and missed a sitter in the first half, he'd have probably buried that 9/10 in training with his eyes closed as well.

So yeah, there weren't any 'bad performances' from the players, no one in particular stood out. Just the team didn't quite get going as an overall unit, the passes wasn't and sharp and crisp as it has been, we played at a slower tempo, few silly passes going astray, not enough 'urgency' for me from the players, but that's to be expected. The way we've played these last couple of weeks, we can't expect to that type of performance every week, because it simply won't happen. Today we didn't play well and we came up against a decent side in Spurs who to be honest rode their luck and finished up with the three points. They weren't better than us today. I mean, I don't if any of you have seen it on tv but the penalty was a fuckin joke of a decision, Flano shoulder barged him off the ball? I thought the ball had gone out and Webb was pointing for a goal kick, can someone please point out to me, what was wrong with that, because I'm struggling to find reasons why it WAS a foul? Typical Manc badly cunt is Howard Webb, gave fuck all, all game and screwed us over again. And that's just what I was talking about, the ball just bounced Spurs way today. And then at two nil, a draw was the best we could hope for and just by watching, I knew it was pretty much game over, we were never gunna' score two today, we just weren't at the races. But at one nil, you never know, we might have snatched a goal and earned our selves a point, but that Fergie rent boy twat took that away from us by completely fucking us over with the decision.

But yeah, not a great game from us to be fair and certainly not our best performance under Kenny by any stretch of the imagination. But today, probably the injuries and lack of squad probably finally caught up with us. We could of done with having Gerrard, Agger and Kelly today, might of been different. But it;s onwards and upwards and in January when we were 13 points behind Spurs, if you'd have said to me, would you take with one game left to be one point behind them with Kenny Dalglish as manager, I'd of bit your hand off. We're progressing, we're going places and quite frankly, this result means nothing in that, plain and simple. We've got work to do, we know that, it's not going to be easy, it never is, but I'm confident on the future.

Anyone got any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can.

The King has returned.

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Here is a pic I took of the lap of honor. Sorry for the rubbish quality.

You weren't far from me

Where did you sit then ...

Right behind you

Mr Leiva wrote:

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Jay wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:

Here is a pic I took of the lap of honor. Sorry for the rubbish quality.

You weren't far from me

Where did you sit then ...

Right behind you

You have an Irish voice?

Jord wrote:

Dean wrote:Just got back then. Well, a little disappointed I have to say. I hate seeing Liverpool any game, but I'm not 'devastated' by the result. It now looks like Tottenham have got fifth place. That's fine with me. We can just look forward to next season now and we've pretty much got a straight run at trying winning the Premier League (Because we can do it, IF we buy the right players), no stupid fucking trips to Romania on Thursday nights and then having to play on Sunday, it winds me up so much and you're always playing catch up with the rest of the teams and your players are fatigued from the long journeys. We won't be playing out of England at all next season and we've got the Premier League, Carling Cup and FA Cup to focus on. Plenty of competition still. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have minded at all if we had of beat Tottenham today and clinched the only available Europa League squad, but I'm not really disappointed by not getting it, for the reasons I've just given. As I said, there is no distraction, no catch up, no long trips. We can pretty much focus all our attention on the League and the two domestic cups (And I'd like a good run in one of the cups again, we haven't been on one for ages).

And on the game, well, it just never really went our way, Tottenham flew out the blocks and we're all over us the first ten minutes, admittedly, we didn't start well at all and van der Vaart scored what look to me like a beauty, complete fluke though and it can happen to any one, he just took a right ole stab at it with his right foot and unfortunately for us, found it's way into the top corner of goal. After the goal, it was pretty much even. Tottenham never really threatened but then on the other hand, we never tested Cudicini, did he actually have a save to make? Apart from a few loose efforts outside the area? Back four pretty much done it's job, Flano played well again, had Pienaar in his back pocket to be honest, got turned a few times mind, but, dealt with the danger pretty well. Carragher and Skrtel were ok. Johnson I thought had a very good game going forward, he had Kaboul all ends up, it was pretty funny actually. He was all over the place, simply couldn't handle the skill and pace of Johnson and with Johno being on the left, he cut in quite a bit as well and Kaboul just couldn't read him. He played well and was never troubled by Lennon, Lennon was pretty quite actually.

Maxi did ok, his passing and movement was spot on as usual, he just never had the service and support today from his fellow team mates. Kuyt worked his bollocks off again and looked like the only who wanted a go today. Him and Danny Rose had a good battle today, as Kuyt mainly played from the right, came in a lot which made it difficult for Rose to follow, but Danny impresses me. I've played football with him before, when I was at Tottenham myself, he's a good lad as well, it's good to see him progressing, he'll make a good full back. Lucas and Spearing were ok too I thought, they did ok, but to be fair, Modric absolutely ran the show in the middle, he's fucking great player him. Neither of them could get near him to be fair. Suarez was ok, had the defenders all over the shop at points. Carroll didn't do too bad, however he didn't win a header all day and missed a sitter in the first half, he'd have probably buried that 9/10 in training with his eyes closed as well.

So yeah, there weren't any 'bad performances' from the players, no one in particular stood out. Just the team didn't quite get going as an overall unit, the passes wasn't and sharp and crisp as it has been, we played at a slower tempo, few silly passes going astray, not enough 'urgency' for me from the players, but that's to be expected. The way we've played these last couple of weeks, we can't expect to that type of performance every week, because it simply won't happen. Today we didn't play well and we came up against a decent side in Spurs who to be honest rode their luck and finished up with the three points. They weren't better than us today. I mean, I don't if any of you have seen it on tv but the penalty was a fuckin joke of a decision, Flano shoulder barged him off the ball? I thought the ball had gone out and Webb was pointing for a goal kick, can someone please point out to me, what was wrong with that, because I'm struggling to find reasons why it WAS a foul? Typical Manc badly cunt is Howard Webb, gave fuck all, all game and screwed us over again. And that's just what I was talking about, the ball just bounced Spurs way today. And then at two nil, a draw was the best we could hope for and just by watching, I knew it was pretty much game over, we were never gunna' score two today, we just weren't at the races. But at one nil, you never know, we might have snatched a goal and earned our selves a point, but that Fergie rent boy twat took that away from us by completely fucking us over with the decision.

But yeah, not a great game from us to be fair and certainly not our best performance under Kenny by any stretch of the imagination. But today, probably the injuries and lack of squad probably finally caught up with us. We could of done with having Gerrard, Agger and Kelly today, might of been different. But it;s onwards and upwards and in January when we were 13 points behind Spurs, if you'd have said to me, would you take with one game left to be one point behind them with Kenny Dalglish as manager, I'd of bit your hand off. We're progressing, we're going places and quite frankly, this result means nothing in that, plain and simple. We've got work to do, we know that, it's not going to be easy, it never is, but I'm confident on the future.

Anyone got any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can.

The King has returned.

And you say no-one replies to your analysis', I read them all the time Dean.

I'm not going to debate or ask questions because what you say about the Europa League is true.

fluffy_kittens wrote:Liverpool fans in here I wanna say I still love most of you, much better then the Man U fans on here. Even though I probably pissed a few of you off earlier I was just havin a go for fun, nothin personal, would rather Liverpool win the league then Chelsea/Man U/Arsenal/City. I really didn't expect us to beat you today based on how shitty we've been recently but hey thats football for ya.

fluffy_kittens wrote:Liverpool fans in here I wanna say I still love most of you, much better then the Man U fans on here. Even though I probably pissed a few of you off earlier I was just havin a go for fun, nothin personal, would rather Liverpool win the league then Chelsea/Man U/Arsenal/City. I really didn't expect us to beat you today based on how shitty we've been recently but hey thats football for ya.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

CollieBuddz wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:Liverpool fans in here I wanna say I still love most of you, much better then the Man U fans on here. Even though I probably pissed a few of you off earlier I was just havin a go for fun, nothin personal, would rather Liverpool win the league then Chelsea/Man U/Arsenal/City. I really didn't expect us to beat you today based on how shitty we've been recently but hey thats football for ya.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

As a Man United supporter, you're automatically biased against Liverpool.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:That's the difference between you and I Dan, I present logical arguments, you present emoticons designed by someone else. Pro-tip, comebacks/insults aren't impressive if you just click on them from a smileys box available to everyone.

Check the rule book lad. Then comeback to me with a another 'logical' argument of yours. A shoulder charge is perfectly legal as long as there is not excessive and dangerous force. If you think there was excessive and dangerous force in that challenge, I'd suggest not playing football and take up something like Tennis.

The rule is that it's a foul if it is careless, reckless or using excessive force. Howard Webb gave a foul, but no yellow card, which makes it pretty clear that, like me, he thought it was careless.

You asserted that it was only a foul if excessive or dangerous force was used, that is incorrect. Given that you don't even know the rules properly, I don't know on what basis you venture to question Howard Webb, who has had a very successful career applying those rules.

So, because Howard Webb gave it, that means it is 100% to the rules. Because last time I checked, the rules stated that to get a penalty, the offence needed to have occured inside the box?.

No, that's not what it means.

I'm a neutral, I have read the rules, I have looked at the incident on a video several times, and I think it was a penalty.
Howard Webb is a professional referee, Howard Webb has read the rules, Howard Webb looked at the incident once, and he thought it was a penalty.
You are a spastic who supports Liverpool, you don't know the rules, you've looked at the incident and you thought it wasn't a foul, but now you've changed that to it not being in the box.

Who would a reasonable person believe?

easley91 wrote:

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

As a Man United supporter, you're automatically biased against Liverpool.

And as a Liverpool supporter, you're automatically biased against Man United, which means you're automatically biased against Howard Webb..

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

As a Man United supporter, you're automatically biased against Liverpool.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You're biased, I'm not, Howard Webb's not.

As a Man United supporter, you're automatically biased against Liverpool.

I suppose you're right, I am a little bit biased when it comes to Liverpool. I think I'm a bit too kind to them, I give some of their fans a lot more respect than they deserve, I'll have to start being more fair in future.

Anyway, it's a penalty, Tottenham won because they're the better team and you didn't score any goals against them. Deal with it, wankers.

Fanatic wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

Check the rule book lad. Then comeback to me with a another 'logical' argument of yours. A shoulder charge is perfectly legal as long as there is not excessive and dangerous force. If you think there was excessive and dangerous force in that challenge, I'd suggest not playing football and take up something like Tennis.

The rule is that it's a foul if it is careless, reckless or using excessive force. Howard Webb gave a foul, but no yellow card, which makes it pretty clear that, like me, he thought it was careless.

You asserted that it was only a foul if excessive or dangerous force was used, that is incorrect. Given that you don't even know the rules properly, I don't know on what basis you venture to question Howard Webb, who has had a very successful career applying those rules.

So, because Howard Webb gave it, that means it is 100% to the rules. Because last time I checked, the rules stated that to get a penalty, the offence needed to have occured inside the box?.

No, that's not what it means.

I'm a neutral, I have read the rules, I have looked at the incident on a video several times, and I think it was a penalty.
Howard Webb is a professional referee, Howard Webb has read the rules, Howard Webb looked at the incident once, and he thought it was a penalty.
You are a spastic who supports Liverpool, you don't know the rules, you've looked at the incident and you thought it wasn't a foul, but now you've changed that to it not being in the box.

Who would a reasonable person believe?

I'm also a neutral looking at the decision and I have replayed it approximately 25 times and I have come to the conclusion it was outside the box. Rule states if a tackle is committed by a defender, against an attacker, while the ball is in play, and while inside the defender's penalty area then a penalty kick is awarded to the attacking team. The tackle was made outside the box therefore it should not have been awarded a penalty.