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    If Ronaldo wins a WC, and Messi never does, is Ronaldo better?

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    Post by fluffy_kittens Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:36 pm

    This question popped into my head while reading some recent Messi/Ronaldo responses. People say if Messi lifts a world cup in his career he will be the best ever in all probability. Well take this scenario. Messi and Ronaldo continue to have their similar scoring records for a few years but at the next world cup Ronaldo leads Portugal to victory. Does this mean Ronaldo would go down as a better player than Messi, despite Messi having the edge over Ronaldo on club level?
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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:42 pm

    Not enough information. The World Cup is a big piece, but it's not the end-all, be-all. Plus, we'd have to see how they won it. If they won it with Ronaldo carrying them single-handedly, then that would be a strong argument for yes.
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    Post by fluffy_kittens Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:44 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:Not enough information. The World Cup is a big piece, but it's not the end-all, be-all. Plus, we'd have to see how they won it. If they won it with Ronaldo carrying them single-handedly, then that would be a strong argument for yes.

    good point, I was thinkin Ronaldo did it Forlan uruguay style, pretty much carrying them
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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:48 pm

    If they are close in every other regard (i.e. club trophies, career goals, individual awards, etc.) then I would say that that would definitely push Ronaldo over the top.




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    Post by fluffy_kittens Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:51 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:If they are close in every other regard (i.e. club trophies, career goals, individual awards, etc.) then I would say that that would definitely push Ronaldo over the top.




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    most likely not, but then again you never know, would make for an interesting scenario
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    Post by Torresxvilla Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:23 pm

    I think winning the World Cup is of importance. It is obviously the biggest stage of all.

    If both have similar seasons/performances/goals etc, yes, to me, it'll put CR7 over the top.

    Many respect players like Cantona/Di Stefano/Best...but winning the World Cup is the ultimate goal/dream for every player.
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    Post by chiboygeorge Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:29 pm

    Yes, theres not much between cristiano and messi, and winning the world cup is a huge factor to determkne who's done the best.

    This is why I always rank Ronaldo as the greatest striker that ever lived, because of his world cup records.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:05 pm

    No, Messi is proving right now he's the better player.. because even now Madrid play better football without Ronaldo, he's not much of a team player but he's amazing so it's okay.

    Messi is AMAZING and works with his team very well, and makes everything happen.

    So no, if Ronaldo won the World Cup and Messi didn't, Messi would still be better imo.
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    Post by Dr. Ján Ĩtor Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:33 pm

    the gaps so far apart that I honestly get mad when people genuinely have to ask, it seems like almost everyone who says ronaldo is better is a madrid/united fan, People who are bias towards EPL, or idiots that never watch football. I can think of lots of people that have said messi is the best, I cant think of anyone involved in football that said ronaldo is the best. Winning one accolade doesnt chance the fact that one is miles above the other.
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:59 pm

    Yes

    Leading Portugal to wc is alot harder than leading Argentina to WC
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:52 pm

    No. Still won't even be close.
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    Post by Barton Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 pm

    It all depends on the impact he makes. Look at Torres, he won the World Cup and flopped massively at the same time.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:35 pm

    NZG wrote:Yes

    Leading Portugal to wc is alot harder than leading Argentina to WC
    Easier fixtures, great tactician as manager, good form and a little luck could see Portugal in the final easily I'd say.

    At the end of the day, it is still 11 men on the pitch at each side.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:36 pm

    Speaking of World Cup, visit the Gaming Section and see my tournament Wink
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    Post by dena Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:39 pm

    Too hypothetical for me. Neutral

    Messi could slow down to normal levels (40 goals/year) Ronaldo could keep his level (40 goals/year)and they could split titles (totally feasiable Neutral ) if Ronaldo gets a World Cup, how would history view them? Who knows, I'm not even going to try.
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    Post by SBSP Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:47 am

    Of course not. Cruyff and Platini never won World Cups, but they are still up with the all time best.

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