Rafael or Kelly?

SBSP wrote:The fact he says his opinion is right is reason enough to lay into him.

Jord wrote:

Little Rafael

Eternal Witcher wrote:Looks like such a spastic with his wonky legs

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:Rafael is better but the poll doesn't matter because all United fans will vote Rafael & vice versa with the liverpool fans.

Why is Rafael better though?

Give some reasons ffs, not just say it like it's a widely accepted fact.

Dean wrote:

No he's not.

Well go on then, give me a detailed analysis of why he's better? Are you up to the task?

Rafael has proven in big games that he is a good player who is also very dangerous going forward. He has played in games against some of the biggest names in world football such as Ronaldinho who was kept quiet during a game at his home stadium, he also kept Ribery at old trafford quiet until he was incorrectly sent off (it doesn't matter).

Another thing you could use to suggest that Rafael is better is the amount of premier league games they have played. Going off ESPNs stats (Not my problem if there wrong). Kelly has only started 10 premier league games for Liverpool in his entire career. In comparison Rafael has started 14 premier league games this season and has made a total 34 starts altogether which is quite a lot for a young player in a big team. You may say that Kelly is less inexperienced that Rafael however Kelly is in fact around 2 months older than Rafael.

Rafael has also been called up to the Brazil squad twice and was on the bench for a recent friendly game against France which shows he is being appricated by his international manager. As far as im aware Kelly has only a few call ups to the under 21's. This can also be put forward because Rafael has Maicon & Dani Alves ahead of him in the pecking order who many people see as some of the worlds best right backs, while Kelly has Glen Johnson.

If your comparing them going forwards then there is not much difference. Both have a single assist this season while Rafael has scored 2 goals against Arsenal at the emirates and against Wigan while Kelly has none. However anyone who recently saw the arsenal match will know that Rafael played at right midfield and still looked pretty accomplished even with a CM partnering of Gibson and O'Shea. He's also been deployed in centre midfeild against Barnsley which really means nothing in relation to this argument.

People will say that Rafael has a bad temper which is something I agree with. However his temprement has never led to him being sent off in any matches & ussually this bad temper is induced by any bad decisions towards us.

One of the other things thrown at Rafael is that "he always get sent off" which is not really true as he has only been sent off twice (both questionably and no straight reds). Kelly and Rafael have the same amount of yellows this season , yet Rafael has played in 6 more games.

(id write more but im going for a shower, play nice )

Ronaldinho was wayyyyyyy past his best, Ribery is one of the most overrated players on the planet, and was off form at the time as well.

Just because you have played more games does not make you a better player. In fact, because Kelly has played less games and has built up such a reputation already rewards him more then Rafael.

Using National call ups? Stop clutching at straws, that doesn't make you a better player, that just means the manager is willing to experiment with youth, or has to call up a youth player due to injuries. At the time of the most recent England call ups Kelly was injured too.

The next paragraph, well you're just clutching at straws again.

And the next one, aforementioned UCL quarter final..

Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward.

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:Rafael is better but the poll doesn't matter because all United fans will vote Rafael & vice versa with the liverpool fans.

Why is Rafael better though?

Give some reasons ffs, not just say it like it's a widely accepted fact.

Dean wrote:

No he's not.

Well go on then, give me a detailed analysis of why he's better? Are you up to the task?

Rafael has proven in big games that he is a good player who is also very dangerous going forward. He has played in games against some of the biggest names in world football such as Ronaldinho who was kept quiet during a game at his home stadium, he also kept Ribery at old trafford quiet until he was incorrectly sent off (it doesn't matter).

Another thing you could use to suggest that Rafael is better is the amount of premier league games they have played. Going off ESPNs stats (Not my problem if there wrong). Kelly has only started 10 premier league games for Liverpool in his entire career. In comparison Rafael has started 14 premier league games this season and has made a total 34 starts altogether which is quite a lot for a young player in a big team. You may say that Kelly is less inexperienced that Rafael however Kelly is in fact around 2 months older than Rafael.

Rafael has also been called up to the Brazil squad twice and was on the bench for a recent friendly game against France which shows he is being appricated by his international manager. As far as im aware Kelly has only a few call ups to the under 21's. This can also be put forward because Rafael has Maicon & Dani Alves ahead of him in the pecking order who many people see as some of the worlds best right backs, while Kelly has Glen Johnson.

If your comparing them going forwards then there is not much difference. Both have a single assist this season while Rafael has scored 2 goals against Arsenal at the emirates and against Wigan while Kelly has none. However anyone who recently saw the arsenal match will know that Rafael played at right midfield and still looked pretty accomplished even with a CM partnering of Gibson and O'Shea. He's also been deployed in centre midfeild against Barnsley which really means nothing in relation to this argument.

People will say that Rafael has a bad temper which is something I agree with. However his temprement has never led to him being sent off in any matches & ussually this bad temper is induced by any bad decisions towards us.

One of the other things thrown at Rafael is that "he always get sent off" which is not really true as he has only been sent off twice (both questionably and no straight reds). Kelly and Rafael have the same amount of yellows this season , yet Rafael has played in 6 more games.

(id write more but im going for a shower, play nice )

Ronaldinho was wayyyyyyy past his best, Ribery is one of the most overrated players on the planet, and was off form at the time as well.

Just because you have played more games does not make you a better player. In fact, because Kelly has played less games and has built up such a reputation already rewards him more then Rafael.

Using National call ups? Stop clutching at straws, that doesn't make you a better player, that just means the manager is willing to experiment with youth, or has to call up a youth player due to injuries. At the time of the most recent England call ups Kelly was injured too.

The next paragraph, well you're just clutching at straws again.

And the next one, aforementioned UCL quarter final..

Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward.

Many people said Ronaldinho was going to "destroy" Rafael when we faced them. Ribary may have been off form but that doesn't mean that you don't have to play well to stop him. (I also forgot about his 3 performances where he kept PFA player of the year Gareth Bale quiet (including one after his inter hatrick)

)

What is the judge of this "reputations" You?The forum?The players? The managers?. This also links in with the point you made last. "Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward." which puts fowards the case that Rafael is better because he can get into a better team & defence while Kelly can't get into a "worse team and defence" as much?

How is comparing then attack wise clutching at straws? Are you dense?

Gegilworld93 wrote:Rafael is miles ahead of Kelly

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:Rafael is better but the poll doesn't matter because all United fans will vote Rafael & vice versa with the liverpool fans.

Why is Rafael better though?

Give some reasons ffs, not just say it like it's a widely accepted fact.

Dean wrote:

No he's not.

Well go on then, give me a detailed analysis of why he's better? Are you up to the task?

Rafael has proven in big games that he is a good player who is also very dangerous going forward. He has played in games against some of the biggest names in world football such as Ronaldinho who was kept quiet during a game at his home stadium, he also kept Ribery at old trafford quiet until he was incorrectly sent off (it doesn't matter).

Another thing you could use to suggest that Rafael is better is the amount of premier league games they have played. Going off ESPNs stats (Not my problem if there wrong). Kelly has only started 10 premier league games for Liverpool in his entire career. In comparison Rafael has started 14 premier league games this season and has made a total 34 starts altogether which is quite a lot for a young player in a big team. You may say that Kelly is less inexperienced that Rafael however Kelly is in fact around 2 months older than Rafael.

Rafael has also been called up to the Brazil squad twice and was on the bench for a recent friendly game against France which shows he is being appricated by his international manager. As far as im aware Kelly has only a few call ups to the under 21's. This can also be put forward because Rafael has Maicon & Dani Alves ahead of him in the pecking order who many people see as some of the worlds best right backs, while Kelly has Glen Johnson.

If your comparing them going forwards then there is not much difference. Both have a single assist this season while Rafael has scored 2 goals against Arsenal at the emirates and against Wigan while Kelly has none. However anyone who recently saw the arsenal match will know that Rafael played at right midfield and still looked pretty accomplished even with a CM partnering of Gibson and O'Shea. He's also been deployed in centre midfeild against Barnsley which really means nothing in relation to this argument.

People will say that Rafael has a bad temper which is something I agree with. However his temprement has never led to him being sent off in any matches & ussually this bad temper is induced by any bad decisions towards us.

One of the other things thrown at Rafael is that "he always get sent off" which is not really true as he has only been sent off twice (both questionably and no straight reds). Kelly and Rafael have the same amount of yellows this season , yet Rafael has played in 6 more games.

(id write more but im going for a shower, play nice )

Ronaldinho was wayyyyyyy past his best, Ribery is one of the most overrated players on the planet, and was off form at the time as well.

Just because you have played more games does not make you a better player. In fact, because Kelly has played less games and has built up such a reputation already rewards him more then Rafael.

Using National call ups? Stop clutching at straws, that doesn't make you a better player, that just means the manager is willing to experiment with youth, or has to call up a youth player due to injuries. At the time of the most recent England call ups Kelly was injured too.

The next paragraph, well you're just clutching at straws again.

And the next one, aforementioned UCL quarter final..

Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward.

Many people said Ronaldinho was going to "destroy" Rafael when we faced them. Ribary may have been off form but that doesn't mean that you don't have to play well to stop him. (I also forgot about his 3 performances where he kept PFA player of the year Gareth Bale quiet (including one after his inter hatrick)

)

What is the judge of this "reputations" You?The forum?The players? The managers?. This also links in with the point you made last. "Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward." which puts fowards the case that Rafael is better because he can get into a better team & defence while Kelly can't get into a "worse team and defence" as much?

How is comparing then attack wise clutching at straws? Are you dense?

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Why is Rafael better though?

Give some reasons ffs, not just say it like it's a widely accepted fact.

Dean wrote:

No he's not.

Well go on then, give me a detailed analysis of why he's better? Are you up to the task?

Rafael has proven in big games that he is a good player who is also very dangerous going forward. He has played in games against some of the biggest names in world football such as Ronaldinho who was kept quiet during a game at his home stadium, he also kept Ribery at old trafford quiet until he was incorrectly sent off (it doesn't matter).

Another thing you could use to suggest that Rafael is better is the amount of premier league games they have played. Going off ESPNs stats (Not my problem if there wrong). Kelly has only started 10 premier league games for Liverpool in his entire career. In comparison Rafael has started 14 premier league games this season and has made a total 34 starts altogether which is quite a lot for a young player in a big team. You may say that Kelly is less inexperienced that Rafael however Kelly is in fact around 2 months older than Rafael.

Rafael has also been called up to the Brazil squad twice and was on the bench for a recent friendly game against France which shows he is being appricated by his international manager. As far as im aware Kelly has only a few call ups to the under 21's. This can also be put forward because Rafael has Maicon & Dani Alves ahead of him in the pecking order who many people see as some of the worlds best right backs, while Kelly has Glen Johnson.

If your comparing them going forwards then there is not much difference. Both have a single assist this season while Rafael has scored 2 goals against Arsenal at the emirates and against Wigan while Kelly has none. However anyone who recently saw the arsenal match will know that Rafael played at right midfield and still looked pretty accomplished even with a CM partnering of Gibson and O'Shea. He's also been deployed in centre midfeild against Barnsley which really means nothing in relation to this argument.

People will say that Rafael has a bad temper which is something I agree with. However his temprement has never led to him being sent off in any matches & ussually this bad temper is induced by any bad decisions towards us.

One of the other things thrown at Rafael is that "he always get sent off" which is not really true as he has only been sent off twice (both questionably and no straight reds). Kelly and Rafael have the same amount of yellows this season , yet Rafael has played in 6 more games.

(id write more but im going for a shower, play nice )

Ronaldinho was wayyyyyyy past his best, Ribery is one of the most overrated players on the planet, and was off form at the time as well.

Just because you have played more games does not make you a better player. In fact, because Kelly has played less games and has built up such a reputation already rewards him more then Rafael.

Using National call ups? Stop clutching at straws, that doesn't make you a better player, that just means the manager is willing to experiment with youth, or has to call up a youth player due to injuries. At the time of the most recent England call ups Kelly was injured too.

The next paragraph, well you're just clutching at straws again.

And the next one, aforementioned UCL quarter final..

Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward.

Many people said Ronaldinho was going to "destroy" Rafael when we faced them. Ribary may have been off form but that doesn't mean that you don't have to play well to stop him. (I also forgot about his 3 performances where he kept PFA player of the year Gareth Bale quiet (including one after his inter hatrick)

)

What is the judge of this "reputations" You?The forum?The players? The managers?. This also links in with the point you made last. "Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward." which puts fowards the case that Rafael is better because he can get into a better team & defence while Kelly can't get into a "worse team and defence" as much?

How is comparing then attack wise clutching at straws? Are you dense?

Bold =

Also, Gareth Bale is notoriously easy to stop.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Kelly has only made 11 appearances in the league this season and some were calling for him to be in the pfa team of the year this season

Good player nonetheless

Fine Shagger wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Kelly has only made 11 appearances in the league this season and some were calling for him to be in the pfa team of the year this season

Good player nonetheless

Giggs never played a single minute the year he won player of the year.

Gegilworld93 wrote:Rafael is miles ahead of Kelly

JMB_94 wrote:I fucking hate it when people do that.

Just post a '' and not even explain why. You have to make the effort to ask why they did it, and then they will tell you, some still won't.

Sorry, i thought it was a good time to say it.

JMB_94 wrote:I fucking hate it when people do that.

Just post a '' and not even explain why. You have to make the effort to ask why they did it, and then they will tell you, some still won't.

Sorry, i thought it was a good time to say it.

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:

luke. wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:Rafael is better but the poll doesn't matter because all United fans will vote Rafael & vice versa with the liverpool fans.

Why is Rafael better though?

Give some reasons ffs, not just say it like it's a widely accepted fact.

Dean wrote:

No he's not.

Well go on then, give me a detailed analysis of why he's better? Are you up to the task?

Rafael has proven in big games that he is a good player who is also very dangerous going forward. He has played in games against some of the biggest names in world football such as Ronaldinho who was kept quiet during a game at his home stadium, he also kept Ribery at old trafford quiet until he was incorrectly sent off (it doesn't matter).

Another thing you could use to suggest that Rafael is better is the amount of premier league games they have played. Going off ESPNs stats (Not my problem if there wrong). Kelly has only started 10 premier league games for Liverpool in his entire career. In comparison Rafael has started 14 premier league games this season and has made a total 34 starts altogether which is quite a lot for a young player in a big team. You may say that Kelly is less inexperienced that Rafael however Kelly is in fact around 2 months older than Rafael.

Rafael has also been called up to the Brazil squad twice and was on the bench for a recent friendly game against France which shows he is being appricated by his international manager. As far as im aware Kelly has only a few call ups to the under 21's. This can also be put forward because Rafael has Maicon & Dani Alves ahead of him in the pecking order who many people see as some of the worlds best right backs, while Kelly has Glen Johnson.

If your comparing them going forwards then there is not much difference. Both have a single assist this season while Rafael has scored 2 goals against Arsenal at the emirates and against Wigan while Kelly has none. However anyone who recently saw the arsenal match will know that Rafael played at right midfield and still looked pretty accomplished even with a CM partnering of Gibson and O'Shea. He's also been deployed in centre midfeild against Barnsley which really means nothing in relation to this argument.

People will say that Rafael has a bad temper which is something I agree with. However his temprement has never led to him being sent off in any matches & ussually this bad temper is induced by any bad decisions towards us.

One of the other things thrown at Rafael is that "he always get sent off" which is not really true as he has only been sent off twice (both questionably and no straight reds). Kelly and Rafael have the same amount of yellows this season , yet Rafael has played in 6 more games.

(id write more but im going for a shower, play nice )

Ronaldinho was wayyyyyyy past his best, Ribery is one of the most overrated players on the planet, and was off form at the time as well.

Just because you have played more games does not make you a better player. In fact, because Kelly has played less games and has built up such a reputation already rewards him more then Rafael.

Using National call ups? Stop clutching at straws, that doesn't make you a better player, that just means the manager is willing to experiment with youth, or has to call up a youth player due to injuries. At the time of the most recent England call ups Kelly was injured too.

The next paragraph, well you're just clutching at straws again.

And the next one, aforementioned UCL quarter final..

Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward.

Many people said Ronaldinho was going to "destroy" Rafael when we faced them. Ribary may have been off form but that doesn't mean that you don't have to play well to stop him. (I also forgot about his 3 performances where he kept PFA player of the year Gareth Bale quiet (including one after his inter hatrick)

)

What is the judge of this "reputations" You?The forum?The players? The managers?. This also links in with the point you made last. "Also, Kelly has also been in a much worse team and defence, which gives him even more reward." which puts fowards the case that Rafael is better because he can get into a better team & defence while Kelly can't get into a "worse team and defence" as much?

How is comparing then attack wise clutching at straws? Are you dense?

Cornholio wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:I fucking hate it when people do that.

Just post a '' and not even explain why. You have to make the effort to ask why they did it, and then they will tell you, some still won't.

Sorry, i thought it was a good time to say it.

Cornholio wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:I fucking hate it when people do that.

Just post a '' and not even explain why. You have to make the effort to ask why they did it, and then they will tell you, some still won't.

Sorry, i thought it was a good time to say it.