Lucas is England's top tackler

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Is that the best you can come up with? "I don't watch him week in and week out"

Haha wow

His own game doesn't really show up much on the highlight reels though tbf.

Don't bother. He's just one of those people who thinks he's right.

Keep avoiding the discussion, it's the best you can hope for

Piss off. You can't have a discussion to save your life mate. You reply to my post "Is that the best you got!?" What the hell is that? You instantly think your view on Lucas is right.

Because that's all pool fans say, if you're going to have a discussion don't indirectly say I don't know what I'm talking about then avoid it. I don't think he's exceptional, is he exceptional? and that's a modest view

quality over quantity

Was Lucas the top tackler last season aswell, or was that his pass success rate?

ViVaRooney wrote:quality over quantity

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Is that the best you can come up with? "I don't watch him week in and week out"

Haha wow

His own game doesn't really show up much on the highlight reels though tbf.

It's the typical "you don't watch him so you don't know" well I watch him enough in games and so does George who doesn't care if he's dropped from the squad. Would he make it at a top 4 club? no so he can't throw those shit excuses around

Why do you think he's shit? You say he wouldn't even make the rotation of a top 4 squad then tell me why?

Why would he constantly get chosen by 3 different liverpool managers to be one of the first names on the team sheet? Why do our fans rate him so highly if he's that shit?

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

Lucas' distribution is class, usually comfortably above 80% pass completion, it was 89% 2 games in a row (Chelsea and Stoke?) iirc.

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Is that the best you can come up with? "I don't watch him week in and week out"

Haha wow

His own game doesn't really show up much on the highlight reels though tbf.

It's the typical "you don't watch him so you don't know" well I watch him enough in games and so does George who doesn't care if he's dropped from the squad. Would he make it at a top 4 club? no so he can't throw those shit excuses around

Why do you think he's shit? You say he wouldn't even make the rotation of a top 4 squad then tell me why?

Why would he constantly get chosen by 3 different liverpool managers to be one of the first names on the team sheet? Why do our fans rate him so highly if he's that shit?

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Jord wrote:Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Don't be silly, I just jumped on a bandwagon, 'cos Dave said so.

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

His own game doesn't really show up much on the highlight reels though tbf.

It's the typical "you don't watch him so you don't know" well I watch him enough in games and so does George who doesn't care if he's dropped from the squad. Would he make it at a top 4 club? no so he can't throw those shit excuses around

Why do you think he's shit? You say he wouldn't even make the rotation of a top 4 squad then tell me why?

Why would he constantly get chosen by 3 different liverpool managers to be one of the first names on the team sheet? Why do our fans rate him so highly if he's that shit?

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

It's the typical "you don't watch him so you don't know" well I watch him enough in games and so does George who doesn't care if he's dropped from the squad. Would he make it at a top 4 club? no so he can't throw those shit excuses around

Why do you think he's shit? You say he wouldn't even make the rotation of a top 4 squad then tell me why?

Why would he constantly get chosen by 3 different liverpool managers to be one of the first names on the team sheet? Why do our fans rate him so highly if he's that shit?

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

He's not just good at tackling though, he has an exceptional pass completion rate.

Don't bother trying to argue with him.

Lucas

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:Why do you think he's shit? You say he wouldn't even make the rotation of a top 4 squad then tell me why?

Why would he constantly get chosen by 3 different liverpool managers to be one of the first names on the team sheet? Why do our fans rate him so highly if he's that shit?

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

He's not just good at tackling though, he has an exceptional pass completion rate.

Does he have to send through balls? nope
Is he asked to try dangerous passes in general? nope

Nothing really exceptional tbh

Cam wrote:Don't bother trying to argue with him.

Cam if you're not going to say anything useful then kindly piss off, those little 1 liner comments are taking their toll

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Did I say he was shit? no I just didn't think he was exceptional. Because a lot of more players have better ball winning attributes and distribution, now you tell me why my small brain can't withhold the true ability of Lucas

You tell me.. You tell me..

So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

He's not just good at tackling though, he has an exceptional pass completion rate.

Does he have to send through balls? nope
Is he asked to try dangerous passes in general? nope

Nothing really exceptional tbh

Cam wrote:Don't bother trying to argue with him.

Cam if you're not going to say anything useful then kindly piss off, those little 1 liner comments are taking their toll

Theres an ignore button if you don't like what I have to say.

Cam wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jord wrote:So you don't think he's shit. Fair enough, you still make him out to be quite poor. It's actually understandable because there's a line between how people Rate Lucas. You either like him or you don't.

This 'true ability' you speak of. It's like you think our fans are blinded by biasness. Infact not just our fans, but even Kyro and United supporter rates him.

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

He's not just good at tackling though, he has an exceptional pass completion rate.

Does he have to send through balls? nope
Is he asked to try dangerous passes in general? nope

Nothing really exceptional tbh

Cam wrote:Don't bother trying to argue with him.

Cam if you're not going to say anything useful then kindly piss off, those little 1 liner comments are taking their toll

Theres an ignore button if you don't like what I have to say.

Naa I'd rather tell you to eat a dick u smug twat

Fonseca wrote:

Cam wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Poor? hmm I probably do let off that opinion, but I don't think he's THAT good as in for a top 4 club. Pool supporters act like they are the only ones who understand he's a good player, I don't deny but as soon as someone says he's not that good it's like "Oh you don't understand, we do so bugger off". I'm not trying to take away his stats but I'm more or less saying that those stats don't exactly distinguish you as the best tackler in England by ability. If a striker poaches goals from close distance and has the highest goals in the prem I don't instantly think he's the best finisher in England. I would probably go with the striker who scores more clinical goals despite scoring less.

Lucas in that category for me would be the top scorer

He's not just good at tackling though, he has an exceptional pass completion rate.

Does he have to send through balls? nope
Is he asked to try dangerous passes in general? nope

Nothing really exceptional tbh

Cam wrote:Don't bother trying to argue with him.

Cam if you're not going to say anything useful then kindly piss off, those little 1 liner comments are taking their toll

Theres an ignore button if you don't like what I have to say.

Naa I'd rather tell you to eat a dick u smug twat

I'm kidding btw, i think you're alright


No need to call me a smug twat though.

Danny Murphy is the top passer this year.
Lucas has a tackle success rate of 63% whereas Parker has 77% with only 23 less tackles. Whilst Kevin Davies tops the foul counts at 100
Not that i'm hating on Lucas or anything cos I think he's improved vastly over the last two seasons.

He's average.... similar to Obi Mikel

Cam wrote:I'm kidding btw, i think you're alright


No need to call me a smug twat though.

Kyro moment.. soz

He's not got the best tackling success rate though has he?

Anderson=Class wrote:He's not got the best tackling success rate though has he?

He was the most successful premier league tackle this season so far according to Opta.

LFCJordan wrote:

Anderson=Class wrote:He's not got the best tackling success rate though has he?

He was the most successful premier league tackle this season so far according to Opta.

He's done the most but isn't the most successful. Still not a bad feat though.

Tacklers	Team	Tackles	Success rate
Lucas Leiva	Liverpool	139	63%
Vaughan	Blackpool	121	77%
Holden	Bolton	117	69%
Parker	West Ham	116	77%
Murphy	Fulham	108	71%

source: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15964_2705370,00.html

lucas shit waiter signing plays for brazil but got no skill so shit player.