France Bans Burka

While you are in England you should abide by our traditions, ways of life ect ...

You never hear of any religion about from Islam having problems fitting in OUR society. Islamic extremist expect to come over to MY country, and lay down there rules over every one. If they want there rules, they can fuck off back to where they came from.

england is losing it identity, and people who want to keep Britain, British, you are deemed a "racist".

LFCJordan wrote:While you are in England you should abide by our traditions, ways of life ect ...

You never hear of any religion about from Islam having problems fitting in OUR society. Islamic extremist expect to come over to MY country, and lay down there rules over every one. If they want there rules, they can fuck off back to where they came from.

england is losing it identity, and people who want to keep Britain, British, you are deemed a "racist".

Nothing wrong with us being multicultural. But as you said, if Muslims have problems with our society, then thats their problem. I agree.

I strongly believe in freedom of expression, but I believe this ban is ok, as long as it's a ban of clothing that makes identification impossible, and not just a ban of burkas.

Zzonked wrote:

B0dunrin wrote:Fuck off about " It's against human rights" to all the people I've heard on radio shows condemning the proposed ban. The patriarchal ideologies behind the actual reason it's worn are more oppressive than banning it.
We have to conform to Middle Eastern laws if we travel there, so they should conform to ours and we should reiterate France's legislation in the UK and ban the Burka.

Yeah I don't agree with the oppression to women, but they should be allowed to wear what they want to wear. No one is forcing them to wear it, but it's something they obviously believe in. If they didn't they wouldn't do it.

As for the bolded point, shall we do everything like the middle east then? They stone people over there so why don't we start doing it here? It's about what we believe in the Western world, what happens over there is of no relation to this.

Key words = If we travel there. Didn't say we should recreate any of their laws
Ahly, I was only saying we should do the same as France, not really arguing in France's case.

I hate that argument 'We have to obey their customs, they should obey ours', it's utter bollocks. Those countries are inferior, and lets be honest, beneath Western democracies. We are better than them, and part of the reason for that is that we're tolerant, we let people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others - to say 'You must obey this culture because people on this bit of land have done for years' is to lower ourselves.

B0dunrin wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

B0dunrin wrote:Fuck off about " It's against human rights" to all the people I've heard on radio shows condemning the proposed ban. The patriarchal ideologies behind the actual reason it's worn are more oppressive than banning it.
We have to conform to Middle Eastern laws if we travel there, so they should conform to ours and we should reiterate France's legislation in the UK and ban the Burka.

Yeah I don't agree with the oppression to women, but they should be allowed to wear what they want to wear. No one is forcing them to wear it, but it's something they obviously believe in. If they didn't they wouldn't do it.

As for the bolded point, shall we do everything like the middle east then? They stone people over there so why don't we start doing it here? It's about what we believe in the Western world, what happens over there is of no relation to this.

Key words = If we travel there. Didn't say we should recreate any of their laws
Ahly, I was only saying we should do the same as France, not really arguing in France's case.

The point still stands, why would you want the same enforcement of laws they have over there over here? I bet you think their culture is restrictive, that's the way ours would go if we went down that route in Western Europe.

Basically what RR said above me.

Zzonked wrote:Yeah I don't agree with the oppression to women, but they should be allowed to wear what they want to wear. No one is forcing them to wear it, but it's something they obviously believe in. If they didn't they wouldn't do it.

"Force" isn't just about physically having it put on your face and then if it comes off you'll get beaten though......it's a psychological thing.

These women are brought up to believe that they should be wearing these veils and if they don't they'll cause shame to their family. Is it really a good value to be teaching your daughters/fellow Muslims that it's bad to not cover yourself up so much?

You also have the religious factor. They get the impression that if they don't wear the veil, they're not doing the right thing and they're going to be punished for it. I don't need to be told "But the Quran doesn't say you have to at all"..the Bible doesn't say that soldiers in Afghanistan are evil and should die either, yet you have that retarded West Baptist Church (or whatever it's called) spewing their shitty ideals. It's not as extreme, but a bad ideal is a bad ideal.....

For me, there's no reason to wear a veil, and any reason that has been conjured up is something I don't agree with.

Also, coming back to the violence part....Muslim societies can be quite secretive but stories still come through of women and their families being physically threatened for doing things such as not wearing veils.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I hate that argument 'We have to obey their customs, they should obey ours', it's utter bollocks. Those countries are inferior, and lets be honest, beneath Western democracies. We are better than them, and part of the reason for that is that we're tolerant, we let people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others - to say 'You must obey this culture because people on this bit of land have done for years' is to lower ourselves.

I don't think people should be forced as that's not what we're about...you're right it would lower our standards.

That said, I think people who come here should WANT to be here for what this country is. Unfortunately, to most people we're just an easy going Liberal bunch of morons who chuck money and homes at anyone entering the country and have no backbone allowing immigrants to do what the hell they like as if we don't there's a lawsuit and a "racist" press story awaiting. People ultimately come here because the government redistributes money from UK citizens (of any race or nationality) to scroungers.

Is that the kind of country any of us can be proud of? I can't, and frankly whilst I'm not racist I'm not prepared to accept that what our country has given to these people is fair on us. We get the shit end of the stick......where is the Democracy in this country...charity is about WILLINGLY helping out...no one wants scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal immigrants but we're forced to pay taxes which go into their pockets. Not every immigrant is like that, in fact most aren't like that at all....but that's the problem.....whenever the government or people generally want something done about bad individuals rather than races or nationalities....there is still chants of racism from ignorant morons too well off for their own good, or benefiting so much from the governments schemes that they'd think themselves hypocrites to say otherwise. I also have the same opinion of our own scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal individuals but they're our responsibility....we have to deal with them but we shouldn't make shitty ungrateful immigrants ours.

How can I really argue the argument of "NO immigrants" when there's no real positive to it? besides.....going back 100 years I have no ancestry in England at all anyway.

You then have the other kind of ignorant people.....who think they're making a difference by protesting against Muslims who are all terrorists and Polish who are all stealing our jobs...when they don't have a clue about anything and it's probably their fault (as well as shitty organisations like the ECHR) that we're in such a mess.

I still think the Burkha should go....but it has nothing to do with immigrants, it's just oppressive and a security risk. Even if women say they want to wear it that's tough.....I still think they're being oppressed and even countries like the UK and France have government intervention because without the government we wouldn't know what's good for ourselves.

Also, in the end I never really expected immigrants to be complete carbon copies of us but a different colour....but at the very least they could be people worth keeping....when you move the UK it should be a privilege, and not respecting that should have a punishment.

ahlycotc wrote:

El_indian wrote:

NZG wrote:While i don't support the idea of wearing a burka but this is surely violates human rights

what if they don't want to wear them but are forced to?

No law forces them to wear it. If their husbands or community do, that's a totally different issue. The women have the right to sue anyone that abuses them in wearing one.

Yah, they can sue but they will also be disgraced infront of their family and community, plus it's not like they are forced too. They are given a choice of between wearing it or burning for eternity in hell.

LFCJordan wrote:While you are in England you should abide by our traditions, ways of life ect ...

You never hear of any religion about from Islam having problems fitting in OUR society. Islamic extremist expect to come over to MY country, and lay down there rules over every one. If they want there rules, they can fuck off back to where they came from.

england is losing it identity, and people who want to keep Britain, British, you are deemed a "racist".

This... I am kinda sad seeing a European country like England becoming so non-English.

In Poland if immigrants start making their own rules than we chase them back to whatever hell they came from.

its all sercurity issues i belive but i cant see how telling somebody that they cant wear a piece of clothing. And i hope it isn't implemented in this country. Unlike most people in Britain i can say my ancestors are british(wales to be excact) but im proud that we are a multicuteral society but we shouldnt change old traditions. Do anyone of you remember those extreamists who burnt poppys and we didnt stop them i was proud thta we let them protest because of free speach (i did find it funny becasue to get those poppys they had to make a donation to the charity they were protesting against) plus france is a lot more racist maybe thats the reason why they banned the burka. but I hope the idea stays in france. Britain seems to be a lot more accepting to people of diffrent creed or culture and i think it should stay that way.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I hate that argument 'We have to obey their customs, they should obey ours', it's utter bollocks. Those countries are inferior, and lets be honest, beneath Western democracies. We are better than them, and part of the reason for that is that we're tolerant, we let people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others - to say 'You must obey this culture because people on this bit of land have done for years' is to lower ourselves.

I don't think people should be forced as that's not what we're about...you're right it would lower our standards.

That said, I think people who come here should WANT to be here for what this country is. Unfortunately, to most people we're just an easy going Liberal bunch of morons who chuck money and homes at anyone entering the country and have no backbone allowing immigrants to do what the hell they like as if we don't there's a lawsuit and a "racist" press story awaiting. People ultimately come here because the government redistributes money from UK citizens (of any race or nationality) to scroungers.

Is that the kind of country any of us can be proud of? I can't, and frankly whilst I'm not racist I'm not prepared to accept that what our country has given to these people is fair on us. We get the shit end of the stick......where is the Democracy in this country...charity is about WILLINGLY helping out...no one wants scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal immigrants but we're forced to pay taxes which go into their pockets. Not every immigrant is like that, in fact most aren't like that at all....but that's the problem.....whenever the government or people generally want something done about bad individuals rather than races or nationalities....there is still chants of racism from ignorant morons too well off for their own good, or benefiting so much from the governments schemes that they'd think themselves hypocrites to say otherwise. I also have the same opinion of our own scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal individuals but they're our responsibility....we have to deal with them but we shouldn't make shitty ungrateful immigrants ours.

How can I really argue the argument of "NO immigrants" when there's no real positive to it? besides.....going back 100 years I have no ancestry in England at all anyway.

You then have the other kind of ignorant people.....who think they're making a difference by protesting against Muslims who are all terrorists and Polish who are all stealing our jobs...when they don't have a clue about anything and it's probably their fault (as well as shitty organisations like the ECHR) that we're in such a mess.

I still think the Burkha should go....but it has nothing to do with immigrants, it's just oppressive and a security risk. Even if women say they want to wear it that's tough.....I still think they're being oppressed and even countries like the UK and France have government intervention because without the government we wouldn't know what's good for ourselves.

Also, in the end I never really expected immigrants to be complete carbon copies of us but a different colour....but at the very least they could be people worth keeping....when you move the UK it should be a privilege, and not respecting that should have a punishment.

I'm very proud of this country, I'm very proud of the principles this country upholds - and I include human rights, asylum and a welfare state in that. Some people 'scrounge', there's no doubt about that, but its hardly a problem exclusive to Islamic immigrants, indeed in order to immigrate here you have to prove you have something to offer the country, or be fleeing the country. The former would be highly unlikely to be living on benefits, and the latter can't really be criticised for not having a job, given their situation.

The reason most people come here is that this is a safe country with one of the strongest economies in the world. These people who come here to take benefits, they don't exist except in very isolated, well publicised cases. Perhaps the children of immigrants do what you are talking about, but that is the same problem as British people doing it, it's not as though we can deport these people.

We need immigrants for the sake of the economy, some people will try to take advantage of any large system like that, but that is true of any system and its a price well worth paying

Ps. If immigrants are paying their taxes, why should they be grateful?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I hate that argument 'We have to obey their customs, they should obey ours', it's utter bollocks. Those countries are inferior, and lets be honest, beneath Western democracies. We are better than them, and part of the reason for that is that we're tolerant, we let people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others - to say 'You must obey this culture because people on this bit of land have done for years' is to lower ourselves.

I don't think people should be forced as that's not what we're about...you're right it would lower our standards.

That said, I think people who come here should WANT to be here for what this country is. Unfortunately, to most people we're just an easy going Liberal bunch of morons who chuck money and homes at anyone entering the country and have no backbone allowing immigrants to do what the hell they like as if we don't there's a lawsuit and a "racist" press story awaiting. People ultimately come here because the government redistributes money from UK citizens (of any race or nationality) to scroungers.

Is that the kind of country any of us can be proud of? I can't, and frankly whilst I'm not racist I'm not prepared to accept that what our country has given to these people is fair on us. We get the shit end of the stick......where is the Democracy in this country...charity is about WILLINGLY helping out...no one wants scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal immigrants but we're forced to pay taxes which go into their pockets. Not every immigrant is like that, in fact most aren't like that at all....but that's the problem.....whenever the government or people generally want something done about bad individuals rather than races or nationalities....there is still chants of racism from ignorant morons too well off for their own good, or benefiting so much from the governments schemes that they'd think themselves hypocrites to say otherwise. I also have the same opinion of our own scrounging, disrespectful, hateful, criminal individuals but they're our responsibility....we have to deal with them but we shouldn't make shitty ungrateful immigrants ours.

How can I really argue the argument of "NO immigrants" when there's no real positive to it? besides.....going back 100 years I have no ancestry in England at all anyway.

You then have the other kind of ignorant people.....who think they're making a difference by protesting against Muslims who are all terrorists and Polish who are all stealing our jobs...when they don't have a clue about anything and it's probably their fault (as well as shitty organisations like the ECHR) that we're in such a mess.

I still think the Burkha should go....but it has nothing to do with immigrants, it's just oppressive and a security risk. Even if women say they want to wear it that's tough.....I still think they're being oppressed and even countries like the UK and France have government intervention because without the government we wouldn't know what's good for ourselves.

Also, in the end I never really expected immigrants to be complete carbon copies of us but a different colour....but at the very least they could be people worth keeping....when you move the UK it should be a privilege, and not respecting that should have a punishment.

I'm very proud of this country, I'm very proud of the principles this country upholds - and I include human rights, asylum and a welfare state in that. Some people 'scrounge', there's no doubt about that, but its hardly a problem exclusive to Islamic immigrants, indeed in order to immigrate here you have to prove you have something to offer the country, or be fleeing the country. The former would be highly unlikely to be living on benefits, and the latter can't really be criticised for not having a job, given their situation.

The reason most people come here is that this is a safe country with one of the strongest economies in the world. These people who come here to take benefits, they don't exist except in very isolated, well publicised cases. Perhaps the children of immigrants do what you are talking about, but that is the same problem as British people doing it, it's not as though we can deport these people.

We need immigrants for the sake of the economy, some people will try to take advantage of any large system like that, but that is true of any system and its a price well worth paying

Ps. If immigrants are paying their taxes, why should they be grateful?

This is all I'm going to say on the matter:

If the reason for the ban is that it is a security issue, then have them remove it when they need to. If they want to wear it in public, let them. It's not doing anyone any harm. If the ban is because it's oppressive on women, then that is bollocks. No one is forcing them to wear it. Islam does not require covering of the entire face. I'm sure almost all of them are wearing it out of personal choice. I really don't see how something you want to do or wear can be oppressive on you. Surely saying they cannot wear it is restricting their freedom of choice more than their wearing it is?

My basic opinion on the issue is make them take it off if identification is needed, but otherwise let them wear what they want.

ahlycotc wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:Well done France for standing up to this. Its a security and a social issue. I hope more countries follow this idea.

I've heard this several times, but I'm not quite sure what that means. How is it a social issue?

In Western civilization facial expressions are probably the best way to meet and greet someone. You can reveal your mood/feelings just through your face so why should we be restricted to "read" the face of a muslim just because of their religion? It's common courtesy to reveal your face just like it is to take off your hate when you go inside a building. They may be conforming to our laws but they also need to conform to our culture and common courtesies.

Sheppy wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:Well done France for standing up to this. Its a security and a social issue. I hope more countries follow this idea.

I've heard this several times, but I'm not quite sure what that means. How is it a social issue?

In Western civilization facial expressions are probably the best way to meet and greet someone. You can reveal your mood/feelings just through your face so why should we be restricted to "read" the face of a muslim just because of their religion? It's common courtesy to reveal your face just like it is to take off your hate when you go inside a building. They may be conforming to our laws but they also need to conform to our culture and common courtesies.

That's hardly an issue though. If a woman is going to choose to wear a burqa, then she is most likely not going to be in a position to be interacting with others often, especially males. By that I mean the women are living a very secluded life by not even communicating with males unless they have to.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I'm very proud of this country, I'm very proud of the principles this country upholds - and I include human rights, asylum and a welfare state in that. Some people 'scrounge', there's no doubt about that, but its hardly a problem exclusive to Islamic immigrants, indeed in order to immigrate here you have to prove you have something to offer the country, or be fleeing the country. The former would be highly unlikely to be living on benefits, and the latter can't really be criticised for not having a job, given their situation.

It's not exclusive to Islamic immigrants, it just happens that certain Islamic groups such as Somalians are the worst offenders.

In order to immigrate here you don't have to prove you have something to offer....or at least you didn't have to. What's the point closing the flood gate after the city has drowned? We've already taken in way too many refugees/assylums etc.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
The reason most people come here is that this is a safe country with one of the strongest economies in the world. These people who come here to take benefits, they don't exist except in very isolated, well publicised cases. Perhaps the children of immigrants do what you are talking about, but that is the same problem as British people doing it, it's not as though we can deport these people.

I don't need to read the papers to know it, I can walk the streets and see it. This is an ignorant statement, because you obviously don't know how bad it is if you think only the few major offenders shown on tv are those to worry about.

Almost all new properties near where I live are cheap council estates. The children of certain immigrants groups are quite a big problem, and if they're born here then it's our responsibility....but the point is that usually these kids attitudes and actions are the fault of their parents who probably should have never been allowed here.

I don't hate immigrants, a lot of my friends are immigrants....and a considerable amount of immigrants do no harm...that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid the issue and pretend it doesn't exist.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
We need immigrants for the sake of the economy, some people will try to take advantage of any large system like that, but that is true of any system and its a price well worth paying

We need the right kind of immigrants. A lot of people take advantage of the system because it's a shit system....it MIGHT be a price worth paying..but you can't be sure of that at all. The government could have done a better job...we can let in immigrants without putting up with undesirables...we've just been slow, weak and reckless in doing so.

More and more are middle class people having to stump up to look after the bottom line. That's because the population entering the country are putting more burden on us....UK citizens are not suddenly dropping below the poverty line.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Ps. If immigrants are paying their taxes, why should they be grateful?

Because they could be in a warzone or in a slum if we didn't pay our taxes to help them out? Not everyone is like that (as I already said)....but there's so much people should be grateful for...yet so little appreciation....

If people pay their taxes...then that's fine....the problem is that quite a lot don't.

Its a good topic, hard to choose...but personally I woundnt want to wear one must be really hot for them and must really get in the way of daily things..

ahlycotc wrote:

Sheppy wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:Well done France for standing up to this. Its a security and a social issue. I hope more countries follow this idea.

I've heard this several times, but I'm not quite sure what that means. How is it a social issue?

In Western civilization facial expressions are probably the best way to meet and greet someone. You can reveal your mood/feelings just through your face so why should we be restricted to "read" the face of a muslim just because of their religion? It's common courtesy to reveal your face just like it is to take off your hate when you go inside a building. They may be conforming to our laws but they also need to conform to our culture and common courtesies.

That's hardly an issue though. If a woman is going to choose to wear a burqa, then she is most likely not going to be in a position to be interacting with others often, especially males. By that I mean the women are living a very secluded life by not even communicating with males unless they have to.

That may not be an issue for Muslim culture but it is in our culture, that's the thing that people get frustrated about. Some Muslims seem to come to a western country and totally disregard the culture and values and not even care. They then start ranting about how they are being treated unfairly when people speak up about how anti-scoial they are.

Lux wrote:
It's not exclusive to Islamic immigrants, it just happens that certain Islamic groups such as Somalians are the worst offenders.

In order to immigrate here you don't have to prove you have something to offer....or at least you didn't have to. What's the point closing the flood gate after the city has drowned? We've already taken in way too many refugees/assylums etc.

That's an interesting claim, do you have any evidence for it? As for asylum seekers, I am proud that we offer refuge to people who need it.

I don't need to read the papers to know it, I can walk the streets and see it. This is an ignorant statement, because you obviously don't know how bad it is if you think only the few major offenders shown on tv are those to worry about.

Almost all new properties near where I live are cheap council estates. The children of certain immigrants groups are quite a big problem, and if they're born here then it's our responsibility....but the point is that usually these kids attitudes and actions are the fault of their parents who probably should have never been allowed here.

I don't hate immigrants, a lot of my friends are immigrants....and a considerable amount of immigrants do no harm...that doesn't mean I'm going to avoid the issue and pretend it doesn't exist.

The problem isn't that great, if it wasn't immigrants kids causing trouble, it would be white people's, the only difference would be the economy being a lot weaker.

We need the right kind of immigrants. A lot of people take advantage of the system because it's a shit system....it MIGHT be a price worth paying..but you can't be sure of that at all. The government could have done a better job...we can let in immigrants without putting up with undesirables...we've just been slow, weak and reckless in doing so.

More and more are middle class people having to stump up to look after the bottom line. That's because the population entering the country are putting more burden on us....UK citizens are not suddenly dropping below the poverty line.

The government could have done a better job, eh? How's that? How do you filter out 'undesirables' on a large scale?

Because they could be in a warzone or in a slum if we didn't pay our taxes to help them out? Not everyone is like that (as I already said)....but there's so much people should be grateful for...yet so little appreciation....

If people pay their taxes...then that's fine....the problem is that quite a lot don't.

How many don't? You seem to have an awful lot of information on this subject, could you cite some of your sources for it, and be a bit more specific? How many is 'quite a lot' ?

El_indian wrote:

Dan wrote:Good. You come over to a country, you should be expected to live by their culture and the way they live.

what about a multi-cultural society?

should I live by Moari Culture?

Multi Culturilism has failed in the UK at least. Parts of England is beginning to look like he middle east with the British culture dying in places like Luton and Bradford. Hope Britain follow suit in banning the Burka. No place for it in the west.
Also do the women take that hideous thing off when getting a new passport photo taken?

CTFC~ced wrote:

El_indian wrote:

Dan wrote:Good. You come over to a country, you should be expected to live by their culture and the way they live.

what about a multi-cultural society?

should I live by Moari Culture?

Multi Culturilism has failed in the UK at least. Parts of England is beginning to look like he middle east with the British culture dying in places like Luton and Bradford. Hope Britain follow suit in banning the Burka. No place for it in the west.
Also do the women take that hideous thing off when getting a new passport photo taken?

Obviously. They pretty much have to take it off in most government offices and shops. Which is why I'm confused about the meaning of it in the first place. Why put it on if you are going to take it off most of the time anyways?

ahlycotc wrote:

CTFC~ced wrote:

El_indian wrote:

Dan wrote:Good. You come over to a country, you should be expected to live by their culture and the way they live.

what about a multi-cultural society?

should I live by Moari Culture?

Multi Culturilism has failed in the UK at least. Parts of England is beginning to look like he middle east with the British culture dying in places like Luton and Bradford. Hope Britain follow suit in banning the Burka. No place for it in the west.
Also do the women take that hideous thing off when getting a new passport photo taken?

Obviously. They pretty much have to take it off in most government offices and shops. Which is why I'm confused about the meaning of it in the first place. Why put it on if you are going to take it off most of the time anyways?

I can't answer that pal. I'm not that familiar on Islam. What I don't like about it is that it isolates themselves from the community. Whilst I'm not a fan of "Multi Culturism" it can only work if people from all cultures work together in the community. Not isolating themselves by putting a letter box on their head.

CTFC~ced wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

CTFC~ced wrote:

El_indian wrote:

Dan wrote:Good. You come over to a country, you should be expected to live by their culture and the way they live.

what about a multi-cultural society?

should I live by Moari Culture?

Multi Culturilism has failed in the UK at least. Parts of England is beginning to look like he middle east with the British culture dying in places like Luton and Bradford. Hope Britain follow suit in banning the Burka. No place for it in the west.
Also do the women take that hideous thing off when getting a new passport photo taken?

Obviously. They pretty much have to take it off in most government offices and shops. Which is why I'm confused about the meaning of it in the first place. Why put it on if you are going to take it off most of the time anyways?

I can't answer that pal. I'm not that familiar on Islam. What I don't like about it is that it isolates themselves from the community. Whilst I'm not a fan of "Multi Culturism" it can only work if people from all cultures work together in the community. Not isolating themselves by putting a letter box on their head.

Like I've said several times already, it's not related to Islam. Islam doesn't require or even mention the face covering.

Sorry pal. I'll read the whole thread next time.

Fucking hate it when people like this walk around in my country speaking their own language covering up their entire body. If they want to wear these ugly garments then go back to your own country and stop complaining that everyone is racist towards your beliefs.

What I hate is how pathetic human rights excuse is nowdays. I believe the core idea of human right is correct, and nothing wrong with it.

But when you are getting immigrants coming over to this country, if they break the law, or kill somebody they can't be deported. Like that young girl, ran over and the murderer couldn't be deported because of human rights.

Human rights now days is against the victim and is protecting the person breaking the law.

Am all for multi Culturilism, but not if we are going to lose the identity of a great nation,

Mr Leiva wrote:What I hate is how pathetic human rights excuse is nowdays. I believe the core idea of human right is correct, and nothing wrong with it.

But when you are getting immigrants coming over to this country, if they break the law, or kill somebody they can't be deported. Like that young girl, ran over and the murderer couldn't be deported because of human rights.

Human rights now days is against the victim and is protecting the person breaking the law.

Am all for multi Culturilism, but not if we are going to lose the identity of a great nation,

That's not related to human rights. And what does wearing a burka have to do with murder or breaking the law?

As long as you aren't breaking the country's law, you can do whatever you want to.

But it's not right walking around looking like this. It frightens people and completely hides your identity.

Jord wrote:But it's not right walking around looking like this. It frightens people and completely hides your identity.

Who cares if it frightens people? Gay people being physical in public frighten me.

The hiding the identity is the only issue.

ahlycotc wrote:

Jord wrote:But it's not right walking around looking like this. It frightens people and completely hides your identity.

Who cares if it frightens people? Gay people being physical in public frighten me.

The hiding the identity is the only issue.

There's a reason the majority of people voted for yes in this poll. People don't like it and there are several reasons. Fact is, in a country like Britain they will never be banned.

Jord wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Jord wrote:But it's not right walking around looking like this. It frightens people and completely hides your identity.

Who cares if it frightens people? Gay people being physical in public frighten me.

The hiding the identity is the only issue.

There's a reason the majority of people voted for yes in this poll. People don't like it and there are several reasons. Fact is, in a country like Britain they will never be banned.

My point is you can't ban things just because you don't like them. There has to be a good reason to ban things. I'm not arguing the burka ban in general, but arguing the reasoning why people think it should be banned.

Like I said, I don't approve of gay people, but that doesn't mean they should be banned from society. It's not about what I fell or what you feel.