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    Post by Weather130 Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:49 am

    AL-RAM, West Bank -- The Palestinian national soccer team lost to Thailand in a penalty shootout on Wednesday in an Olympic qualifying match deep in symbolism: it's the first time the Palestinians have hosted a competitive match at the international level, and for excited fans in this conflict-ridden area, it marks an important step in their struggle for independence.

    Trailing 1-0 from the first leg in Bangkok, the Palestinian team scored the only goal through Abdul Hamid Abuhabib just before halftime but lost 6-5 in the shootout.

    However, the game meant much more to Palestinians than the final result.

    "The world now will see Palestine in different eyes, in sports eyes," said Jibril Rajoub, a former West Bank strongman who now heads the Palestinian soccer union. "This is a new launch for the Palestinian people toward freedom and independence."

    The political undertones were ever-present as thousands of fans, mostly men, braved biting wind and cold conditions to fill the bleacher seats, waving banners, blowing trumpets, banging drums and chanting "Palestine" in unison.

    "In a way, we won the game before it started," Palestinian prime minister Salam Fayyad said. "It's the first home game for our team and soon we will have the first ever home game in the Palestinian state."

    Fayyad said sport is an important element of nation-building, adding that "we are going to be ready for statehood."

    Pictures of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and former leader Yasser Arafat decorated the stadium alongside the red, green and black Palestinian flag. Fans chanted, "With our souls, with our bodies, we will defend Palestine."

    "Without pride you cannot have passion, and soccer is all about passion," the public address speaker pronounced.

    Othman al-Jamal, a 20-year-old fan from the northern West Bank town of Tulkarem, said it was inspiring to see his team compete at this level.

    "Having a foreign team on the land of Palestine is like breaking the will of the [Israeli] occupation," he said. "Here we are living a normal life, like the other independent states."

    Efraim Zinger, chairman of the Israel Olympic Committee, welcomed the match.

    "It is definitely a step in the right direction as far as we are concerned, a sign of better things to come," Zinger said. "The more we deal with sports, the less we will have to deal with the bad things around here."

    Some fans unraveled their traditional Arab headscarves to use as makeshift umbrellas when hail pelted the crowd during the second half.

    The game comes during a time of regional turbulence, a stalemate in Israel-Palestinian peace efforts and increasing calls for reconciliation between the two rival Palestinian political parties.

    Fatah's Palestinian Authority controls the West Bank and supports negotiations with Israel for creation of a Palestinian state. Its rival, the Islamic militant Hamas, controls the Gaza Strip after violently seizing control of the coastal strip in 2007. Hamas openly calls for Israel's destruction.

    Wednesday's match marked another step in the West Bank leadership's quest to prepare for statehood.

    In recent years, Fayyad has implemented a bottom-up approach, promising to build institutions of statehood and improve quality of life for Palestinians in the West Bank. The strategy has earned him the praise of both the international community and many in Israel.

    Rajoub said the last time an international athletic competition took place in what are now the Palestinian territories was in 1934. That game was played in east Jerusalem, part of British Mandatory Palestine prior to Israeli independence in 1948. The history behind the game is unclear, but Rajoub said it is believed a British team comprising of both Arabs and Jews lost 4-1 to an Egyptian team.

    Sports have held an emotional place in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 1972, when Palestinian militants killed 11 Israeli team members at the Olympics in Munich. Israeli prime minister Golda Meir later ordered Mossad, Israel's secret intelligence service, to track down and kill all those responsible.

    Last October, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised visiting IOC president Jacques Rogge that he would consider ways of easing travel limits on Palestinian athletes.

    In January, Rogge brokered a five-hour gathering at Olympic headquarters that addressed lifting Israeli travel restrictions to allow Palestinian athletes and coaches more access between the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Palestinian athletes were also promised IOC funding and Israeli support to prepare for the 2012 London Olympics.

    Only four Palestinian athletes competed at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The team is entitled to additional help through the IOC's solidarity program.


    Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press
    A peaceful football match played in Palestine? Wow something in this world is going right if this was able to happen. I am still hoping some day for a Israel v Palestine friendly, that would probably be the closest thing to "world peace" that we might ever see. This is not likely to happen any time in the near future but I hope to see it in my lifetime.
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    Post by Mustangt125 Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:51 am

    That'll never happen.
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    Post by SBSP Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:45 am

    If it never happens we should blame mustang. Coffee
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:46 am

    a match against israel vs palestine?

    the israel government will kill half the players first.
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    Post by Lux Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:36 pm

    Trailing 1-0 from the first leg in Bangkok, the Palestinian team scored the only goal through Abdul Hamid Abuhabib just before halftime but lost 6-5 in the shootout.

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    NZG wrote:a match against israel vs palestine?

    the israel government will kill half the players first.

    Forget flairs, the Palestinian fans would have bazookas going on the pitch pig

    Israel wouldn't play Palestine because they don't recognise them as a country....amirite?
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:41 pm

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    Trailing 1-0 from the first leg in Bangkok, the Palestinian team scored the only goal through Abdul Hamid Abuhabib just before halftime but lost 6-5 in the shootout.

    Palestinians revel in home match Funny-ice-cube-first-i-was-like-but-then

    NZG wrote:a match against israel vs palestine?

    the israel government will kill half the players first.

    Forget flairs, the Palestinian fans would have bazookas going on the pitch pig

    Israel wouldn't play Palestine because they don't recognise them as a country....amirite?
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    Post by Guest Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:49 pm

    Good first step. Now if Palestine could exist as an independent country and their people could move around in their own territories without several checkpoints.

    The history behind the game is unclear, but Rajoub said it is believed a British team comprising of both Arabs and Jews lost 4-1 to an Egyptian team.

    Cool

    Last October, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised visiting IOC president Jacques Rogge that he would consider ways of easing travel limits on Palestinian athletes.

    Consider ways to easing travel limits for athletes? Why would there be limits to begin with? And this isn't something to consider. It should be done immediately. Neutral
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    Post by Guest Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:53 pm

    Oh and yeah, Israel v Palestine will never happen. Even if both are officially recognized, independent countries, there is too much history to forget and forgive. Maybe 100-200 years down the road if there is still a Palestine or Israel.
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    Post by Guest Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:58 pm

    @Lux, not necessarily. Spain don't recognize Euskara or Catalonia, but they still play friendlies with each other all the time.
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    Post by Weather130 Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:56 pm

    This really makes me wonder what would happen if somehow Israel and Palestine made it to the World Cup and drawn into the same group. What would happen next?
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    Post by Lux Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:48 pm

    Weather130 wrote:This really makes me wonder what would happen if somehow Israel and Palestine made it to the World Cup and drawn into the same group. What would happen next?

    South Korea and North Korea played each other.

    I'm sure they can get over it.

    ahlycotc wrote: Why would there be limits to begin with? And this isn't something to consider. It should be done immediately. Neutral

    Terrorist threats to Israel whistle .

    If there is no restrictions and Hamas go and bomb some Israelis then that's game over for Palestine.
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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:29 am

    Yeah but these are athletes not terrorists. Neutral
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    Post by Lux Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:41 am

    ahlycotc wrote:Yeah but these are athletes not terrorists. Neutral

    *no restrictions on athletes*

    One week later.........Palestine "athlete" attacks Israel scratch
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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:53 am

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    ahlycotc wrote:Yeah but these are athletes not terrorists. Neutral

    *no restrictions on athletes*

    One week later.........Palestine "athlete" attacks Israel scratch

    So all Palestinians are terrorists or potential terrorists and should be treated as such.
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    Post by Lux Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:57 am

    ahlycotc wrote:So all Palestinians are terrorists or potential terrorists and should be treated as such.

    No, but there's no stable government is there not?

    Not all Afghan's are a threat, but there's still a lot of security.

    The point is that Israel sees a threat to it's nation and Palestine won't do anything about it so they have to. I'm sure Israel don't care about athletes they'll let them through it's just that there has to be a procedure etc.
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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:12 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:So all Palestinians are terrorists or potential terrorists and should be treated as such.

    No, but there's no stable government is there not?

    Not all Afghan's are a threat, but there's still a lot of security.

    The point is that Israel sees a threat to it's nation and Palestine won't do anything about it so they have to. I'm sure Israel don't care about athletes they'll let them through it's just that there has to be a procedure etc.

    There is no country for there to be a proper government. How do you expect a government to control their people when they don't A) represent their people and B) have no control on their own territories. Trade and travels are completely controlled by Israel.
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    Post by Lux Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:14 am

    ahlycotc wrote:There is no country for there to be a proper government. How do you expect a government to control their people when they don't A) represent their people and B) have no control on their own territories. Trade and travels are completely controlled by Israel.

    Exactly?
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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:19 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:There is no country for there to be a proper government. How do you expect a government to control their people when they don't A) represent their people and B) have no control on their own territories. Trade and travels are completely controlled by Israel.

    Exactly?

    Yes, my point is why put ongoing travel restrictions on people you shouldn't be controlling and are not a threat? I'm not saying let them hop on a plane without security checks. But once you run your initial background check and clearance, why limit their traveling again? If a Palestinian wants to travel to Egypt, why should Israel be performing the travel clearance?
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    Post by Mustangt125 Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:50 am

    SBSP wrote:If it never happens we should blame mustang. Palestinians revel in home match 28973

    Dont really give a shit....Ahly doesnt think itll ever happen either. If it does happen, there's not a single doubt in my mind some Palestinians will show up with a bomb or something, which will only lead to Israel driving tanks around, and then everybody is back to square 1 again.

    It's a bad idea in the first place.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:25 am

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    SBSP wrote:If it never happens we should blame mustang. Palestinians revel in home match 28973

    Dont really give a shit....Ahly doesnt think itll ever happen either. If it does happen, there's not a single doubt in my mind some Palestinians will show up with a bomb or something, which will only lead to Israel driving tanks around, and then everybody is back to square 1 again.

    It's a bad idea in the first place.

    Don't be silly. There is no way a suicide bombing could happen at a football game. First of all, there would be very heavy security presence and you would be searched before the game. Even if one were to enter the stadium with a bomb, why would he blow himself up with people of his own around him? Neutral
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    Post by Mustangt125 Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:00 am

    Quite simply walk to the opposing end of the stadium.

    It doesn't have to be a suicide bombing, either.

    It's a bad idea in general.

    Hey,
    here's a great idea. These two people hate each other with all their
    energy and have been basically at war for the last 50 years, lets pack
    thousands of them into a stadium that will be impossible to escape from
    if something breaks out. Lovely.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:05 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:Quite simply walk to the opposing end of the stadium.

    It doesn't have to be a suicide bombing, either.

    It's a bad idea in general.

    Hey,
    here's a great idea. These two people hate each other with all their
    energy and have been basically at war for the last 50 years, lets pack
    thousands of them into a stadium that will be impossible to escape from
    if something breaks out. Lovely.

    Have you ever been to a stadium? You can't just walk over to a the other side! Neutral

    And I never said it was a good idea. I'm just saying there is a 0.00000000000001% possibility of a suicide bombing taking place in a football stadium.
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    Post by Cornholio Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:15 am

    What sort of revel was it?

    I like the pure chocolate ones or the malteser ones.
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    Post by Mal Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:18 am

    Weather130 wrote:This really makes me wonder what would happen if somehow Israel and Palestine made it to the World Cup and drawn into the same group. What would happen next?

    FIFA said they'd be seeded so they can't. Neutral


    Nothing they could do about knockout football though. Neutral
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    Post by Mustangt125 Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:42 am

    Ive been in many stadiums and it is quite easy to go into the corridor and walk to the other end of the stadium.

    I never said anbything about a suicide bombing, but that would be a possibility. It's just a terrible idea and needs scrapped, at least for the foreseeable future
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:10 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:Ive been in many stadiums and it is quite easy to go into the corridor and walk to the other end of the stadium.

    I never said anbything about a suicide bombing, but that would be a possibility. It's just a terrible idea and needs scrapped, at least for the foreseeable future

    Well security in England must be very different. In Ahly v Zamalek matches you have separate gates for each section of the stadium (i.e. behind goal, side). And supporters of one team have to enter the stadium from on street and are not allowed to enter from the same street as the other team. Once you are in the stadium, there is heavy security and fences dividing the two teams' supporters.
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    Post by Lux Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:54 am

    ahlycotc wrote:Well security in England must be very different. In Ahly v Zamalek matches you have separate gates for each section of the stadium (i.e. behind goal, side). And supporters of one team have to enter the stadium from on street and are not allowed to enter from the same street as the other team. Once you are in the stadium, there is heavy security and fences dividing the two teams' supporters.

    The only stadium I've been to where there's a separate street for you to enter is Millwall...and even then you don't HAVE to go by that road if you don't want to.

    England has a lot more security than a country like Egypt though so the clubs themselves don't have to take as much action (though tbh Millwall have to control their fans...throwing bottles into the Watford family section Neutral)
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:57 am

    I don't think Israel would mind sending their atheletes to Palestine for a friendly. It's a win-win situation.

    Win possibility #1 - Israel get's good publicity for once
    Win possibility #2 - Atheletes get attacked in Israel, Public Support for Israel and against Terrorism/Palestine.

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