Moyes is overrated, I agree. If he had won something then maybe he would be a good manager. He has got a good starting 11 at Everton.
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Underated and Overated Managers?
Tito-
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Only in England, or ?`
Zzonked-
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Tito wrote:Only in England, or ?`
I'd imagine it is anyone, but I doubt many people know Norweigan managers if that's what you were thinking.
menalawyerguy-
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mauro=beast wrote:overrated:ferguson
Underrated: Mauro's Google Translator ability
menalawyerguy-
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If Sir Alex's obnoxiously gratuitous trophy haul doesn't speak for itself, then you're just tone deaf to reason.
Barton-
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Overated - Roy Keane. He got Sunderland promoted in his first season because of their rich owners, only just kept them in the EPL in his second season. He was shite when he came to us, got his tactics completely wrong most of the time, wasted loads of money, made some poor signings. Overall did terrible with us when he was so highly rated at the time.
Pippo-
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Underrated: Bruno Metsu
Overrated: Pep Guardiola
Overrated: Pep Guardiola
Zzonked-
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JMB_94 wrote:Overated - Roy Keane. He got Sunderland promoted in his first season because of their rich owners, only just kept them in the EPL in his second season. He was shite when he came to us, got his tactics completely wrong most of the time, made some poor signings. Overall did terrible with us when he was so highly rated at the time.
I don't think he's overrated because everyone knows he's rubbish.
Jamie-
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Pip wrote:Underrated: Bruno Metsu
Overrated: Pep Guardiola
How so? I find him underrated if anything, people write off his achievements because of the quality of the team he is managing when he's the one who has transformed them into this team.
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Jameswrote:Why PL only?
Overrated
Warnock - overrated. Took him ages to get Sheff U out of PL and then got relegated first season. At QPR he inherited a great squad with rich owners.
Dave Jones - overrated. How he hasn't taken Cardiff to the PL is mad. Always has a great team.
Underrated
Malky Mckay??(spelt his name wrong I bet, Watford manager) - underrated. Look what he is doing with little Watford, barely any budget has to rely on young players. His team plays nice football and they are doing pretty well.
Brendan Rodgers - underrated. Is managing Swansalona.And they are doing pretty well in the league with a playoff place pretty much guarenteed imo. Got an eye for a player as well it seems.
Nigel Pearson - underrated. I may be biased. He has taken Leicester up, then to the playoffs in their first season. Moved to Hull, which lets face it was a sinking ship. He (and Steve Walsh) have an amazing eye for a player. Think back to before the takeover. There was over 20 changes to the playing staff in the summer. He managed to attract players like Koren (Serie A and PL teams interested) Loan signings such as Gerrard who has been a rock. Got Mannone!!! on loan as well. Other frees like Roseinor who had been unemployed for 9 months and is now one of the best right backs in the league. Jay Simpson for 50k.
Then after he got some money to play with. Chester - 300k. Steward - 300k. Fryatt and McLean 2.5m combined.
After a poor start which can be put down to players still going out of the club he managed to start reviving us. We got takenover and we've kept on that revival and made it into a playoff push.
If we don't go up this season we'll go up automatically, 100% guarenteed. We'll actually run away with the title with this man.
NP > SGE.
Think the majority of championship fans rate Pearson quite highly, Kenny Jackett is underrated could also add Mark Robins at Barnsley and O'Driscoll at Donny. Warnock is slightly over rated but you can't ignore what he's done at Palace and QPR respectively.
Jordi- .
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Overrated:
Harry Redknapp
Capello (for England)
Ian Holloway - (It's a personal thing, I hate him:|)
David Moyes
Underrated:
Nigel Adkins
Nigel Pearson
Avram Grant
Harry Redknapp
Capello (for England)
Ian Holloway - (It's a personal thing, I hate him:|)
David Moyes
Underrated:
Nigel Adkins
Nigel Pearson
Avram Grant
ayvee1- .
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Guardiola is overrated.
Jamie-
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ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola is overrated.
Like I said to Pip, how so? I find him underrated if anything.
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Fine Shagger wrote:Pip wrote:Underrated: Bruno Metsu
Overrated: Pep Guardiola
How so? I find him underrated if anything, people write off his achievements because of the quality of the team he is managing when he's the one who has transformed them into this team.
Any good manager could have achieved the same feat.
Jamie-
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Pip wrote:Fine Shagger wrote:Pip wrote:Underrated: Bruno Metsu
Overrated: Pep Guardiola
How so? I find him underrated if anything, people write off his achievements because of the quality of the team he is managing when he's the one who has transformed them into this team.
Any good manager could have achieved the same feat.
How? Would any good manager have demanded Pedro stayed despite the Barca management deciding he should go? Brought through Busquets, developed Messi into an even better player through switching his position? Keep the complacency to a minimum, etc etc
People say he had a great squad to begin with. This is true, but he's turned them into arguably the best club side in the history of football. That's no mean feat.
ayvee1- .
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Guardiola look great when Barca are cruising, but when it comes to the crunch, I don't think he's quite there yet in terms of tactics. Against Inter in the second leg last year Mourinho wisely parked the bus, but Guardiola had no tactical answer IMO. Barca just kept doing what they always do and ended up losing the tie. Maybe he'll be great in the future (still very early in his managerial career) but I just don't think he deserves to be called one of the best managers in the world yet. Guardiola is suited to Barcelona, but put him at any other team and I can't see him being so succesful.Fine Shagger wrote:ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola is overrated.
Like I said to Pip, how so? I find him underrated if anything.
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Overrated : Darren Ferguson.
Jamie-
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ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola look great when Barca are cruising, but when it comes to the crunch, I don't think he's quite there yet in terms of tactics. Against Inter in the second leg last year Mourinho wisely parked the bus, but Guardiola had no tactical answer IMO. Barca just kept doing what they always do and ended up losing the tie. Maybe he'll be great in the future (still very early in his managerial career) but I just don't think he deserves to be called one of the best managers in the world yet.Fine Shagger wrote:ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola is overrated.
Like I said to Pip, how so? I find him underrated if anything.
Yeah I can see your point there. I would say though that some of the very top managers do lack a little on the tactical side though so it's not a massive stretch to be a top manager without being a master of tactics. Fergie for example is often found out on the European stage with his knowledge of tactics.
I'd also say that while Guardiola might not be tactically flexible yet, he has been excellent in modifying the Barca 4-3-3 Cruyff tactic - playing Messi as a false 9, moving Busquets into a 3rd centre back role to allow Alves and Maxwell/Abidal to operate higher up the pitch and his use of Pedro and Villa as inside forwards all point to someone who knows what he is doing tactically the majority of the time.
Jordi- .
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This too.Santa Cruz wrote:Overrated : Darren Ferguson.
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Overated: Roy Keane, Fabio Capello and Darren Ferguson.
Underated: Owen Coyle, Steve Bruce and Simon Grayson.
List could go on forever.
Underated: Owen Coyle, Steve Bruce and Simon Grayson.
List could go on forever.
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ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola look great when Barca are cruising, but when it comes to the crunch, I don't think he's quite there yet in terms of tactics. Against Inter in the second leg last year Mourinho wisely parked the bus, but Guardiola had no tactical answer IMO. Barca just kept doing what they always do and ended up losing the tie. Maybe he'll be great in the future (still very early in his managerial career) but I just don't think he deserves to be called one of the best managers in the world yet. Guardiola is suited to Barcelona, but put him at any other team and I can't see him being so succesful.Fine Shagger wrote:ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola is overrated.
Like I said to Pip, how so? I find him underrated if anything.
It's more of the clubs philosophy rather then the tactical side imo.
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Hiddink seems overrated to me.
ayvee1- .
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It's the clubs philosophy to pass it round the Inter box for half an hour, producing nothing? Philosophy doesn't mean you can't change tactics, and if it does, then Barca are limiting themselves.luke. wrote:ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola look great when Barca are cruising, but when it comes to the crunch, I don't think he's quite there yet in terms of tactics. Against Inter in the second leg last year Mourinho wisely parked the bus, but Guardiola had no tactical answer IMO. Barca just kept doing what they always do and ended up losing the tie. Maybe he'll be great in the future (still very early in his managerial career) but I just don't think he deserves to be called one of the best managers in the world yet. Guardiola is suited to Barcelona, but put him at any other team and I can't see him being so succesful.Fine Shagger wrote:ayvee1 wrote:Guardiola is overrated.
Like I said to Pip, how so? I find him underrated if anything.
It's more of the clubs philosophy rather then the tactical side imo.
Ben-
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Overrated are Holloway, Moyes & Sanchez Flores. Gonna get slated for this probably but Rafa as well. I agree he shouldn't have been sacked by Liverpool but apart from one Champions League and one second place his time at Liverpool wasn't really that great. A manager of Liverpool should be getting into the Champions League spots regardless, but people praised him for doing it like he some sort of genius.
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Champions League in his first season, followed by the FA Cup, a few others such as winning the trophy where the Champs League winners play the Europa League winnersBen wrote:Holloway, Moyes & Sanchez Flores. Gonna get slated for this probably but Rafa as well. I agree he shouldn't have been sacked by Liverpool but apart from one Champions League and one second place his time at Liverpool wasn't really that great. A manager of Liverpool should be getting into the Champions League spots regardless, but people praised him for doing it like he some sort of genius.
Whatever it is and a community shield. Noone praised him for just getting us into top 4, hey praised him for making us great in Europe again and coming the closest to the League title in ages, And also, in general, Rafa is a great manager, his time at Valencia alone, winning the League and UEFA Cup in the same year would have proved that
Drake-
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Sam Allardyce is so underrated.
I2eds_AVA-
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Nah he's just shit. No coincidence that Bolton are actually good now.Santa Cruz wrote:Sam Allardyce is so underrated.
Pippo-
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Airton Andrioli is underrated.
Drake-
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I2eds_AVA wrote:Nah he's just shit. No coincidence that Bolton are actually good now.Santa Cruz wrote:Sam Allardyce is so underrated.
Gets blamed for long ball tactics top 4 used that as an excuse becuase we would beat them or stop them winning good manager works to the teams strengths.
menalawyerguy-
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In fact, if anything, Sir Alex is underrated. There are still people who don't think he's the greatest manager ever.
