I think it's down to the culture of English football, there's still a philosophy of get it up then, stick you foot in, make a tackle, hoof it up to the big man etc etc. There's no focus on quick passing, keeping possession or effective counter attacks.
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Danny wrote:Tbh, for Lampard.. where does he play for Chelsea? Pretty much behind the front men/man. Where does he play for England? Deep alongside Gareth fucking Barry
luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
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Danny wrote:Danny wrote:Tbh, for Lampard.. where does he play for Chelsea? Pretty much behind the front men/man. Where does he play for England? Deep alongside Gareth fucking Barryluke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Didn't see it. But he ain't played behind the front men. He's a box to box midfielder, plays a bit more advanced, but when he played at the tip of the diamond he couldn't score. He plays too defensive for England, not allowed to make late runs into the box.
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the perception of lampard 'playing as number 10' or 'playing behind striker'
is very false
it will seem like that because chelsea dominates possession, they no need to overexert themself and can just using mikel to sit back while others bomb forward
in truth, like even ancelotti found out, lampard is not capable of playing number 10 at all. lampard worst form of his life when ancelotti try him as number 10
lampard is box to box player and false deep lying playmaker
i think capello is using him in best position possible. people seeming to forget that is same position erikkson using lampard in for euro 2004 when he was probably best player in whole tournament
to me problem lies in what kind of philospopy england need
in past they using their most technical players in wrong positions like playing cole and scholes on wing in favor of playing "box to box" players in central area behind 2 strikers. this is just to outdated as a model
is very false
it will seem like that because chelsea dominates possession, they no need to overexert themself and can just using mikel to sit back while others bomb forward
in truth, like even ancelotti found out, lampard is not capable of playing number 10 at all. lampard worst form of his life when ancelotti try him as number 10
lampard is box to box player and false deep lying playmaker
i think capello is using him in best position possible. people seeming to forget that is same position erikkson using lampard in for euro 2004 when he was probably best player in whole tournament
to me problem lies in what kind of philospopy england need
in past they using their most technical players in wrong positions like playing cole and scholes on wing in favor of playing "box to box" players in central area behind 2 strikers. this is just to outdated as a model
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Well yeah, I only said "behind the front man" because he does play an attacking role in the midfield for you. Certainly a lot more attacking than he does for England. There is a reason he doesn't score for us apart from the penalty spot.luke. wrote:Danny wrote:Danny wrote:Tbh, for Lampard.. where does he play for Chelsea? Pretty much behind the front men/man. Where does he play for England? Deep alongside Gareth fucking Barryluke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Didn't see it. But he ain't played behind the front men. He's a box to box midfielder, plays a bit more advanced, but when he played at the tip of the diamond he couldn't score. He plays too defensive for England, not allowed to make late runs into the box.
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Sean CFC wrote:@Gordon that's like judging all Americans by what Alexi Lalas says.
That's the point of it. It was a joke. I've been around you guys long enough to know the Sun's reputation.
kyro was giving the impression that the general opinion in England is that they are crap. From what I've seen a lot of people think otherwise. See blaming everything on Capello.
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luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Fuck off. Gerrard was routinely moved out wide, on the left, the right, behind the cm's to accomodate the fat fuck who can only score penalties.
He's moved into his usual position for the USA game and has a stormer, moved back - we turn absolute shite. Plays his usual position against Hungary - saves the game with two world class goals.
Gerrard is the best player we have, and the best we've had in years. Nobody has used him properly when it's come to crunchtime.
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There is no way to disagree with this.mauro wrote:u may say my opinion is il informed but i disagree!
england player payed very big money by FA in bonuses when they playing internationals
so money is not much factor
i know english fan common thing to say 'there is no passion'
to me this is false but is just my opinions
my opinion is that of course english player looks pure brilliance in the epl and champion league
why?
to me is because they surrounded by talents of foreign players
english historically very physical obviously and lacking technicals
player like frank lampard i use example
to me he is obviously technical player to some degree, not amazing, but competent,however he looks a lot better for chelsea then england because he benefit from chelsea foreign players who can keeping sustain possesion via full press against other teams. so he has confidence and reliability in his teammate to retent the ball and keep it in attacking position
now compare to england, enlish players having no foreigners next to them. lampard has no malouda or essien next to him, instead he has barry see? barry technical skills is very limited so england unable to move the ball quickly enough in attacking position so england generally unable to contend for possession
this is why england struggle to even touch the ball against technical team like mexico and japan
lampard cannot be utltized if he cannot get the ball, and when with england and he does have ball, is usually in his own half
when england can having at eam that with close control, composure, intelligence and touches to keep ball to feet as close as possibly and recycle on the ground and not in the air, then they will challenging for serious titles
england only players capable of doing adequate like this in this last generation are paul scholes in midfield.lampard gerrard are competent but not at serious level of scholes
and after those 3 the level drop very drastic to players who cannot do anything with the ball in their feet beside longball and running like dog
lampard can scoring all the 30metre long goals he wants in chelsea but will not happen in england shirt when he surround by technically inept players that are to reliant on foreign interventions
The fans use the excuse of no passion to disguise their lack of technical qualities.
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In Euro 2004 we played a 4-4-2 formation and Lampard wasn't used as a holding midfielder, as he is largely used as now, alongside Barrymauro wrote:the perception of lampard 'playing as number 10' or 'playing behind striker'
is very false
it will seem like that because chelsea dominates possession, they no need to overexert themself and can just using mikel to sit back while others bomb forward
in truth, like even ancelotti found out, lampard is not capable of playing number 10 at all. lampard worst form of his life when ancelotti try him as number 10
lampard is box to box player and false deep lying playmaker
i think capello is using him in best position possible. people seeming to forget that is same position erikkson using lampard in for euro 2004 when he was probably best player in whole tournament
to me problem lies in what kind of philospopy england need
in past they using their most technical players in wrong positions like playing cole and scholes on wing in favor of playing "box to box" players in central area behind 2 strikers. this is just to outdated as a model
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Rei wrote:Sean CFC wrote:@Gordon that's like judging all Americans by what Alexi Lalas says.
That's the point of it. It was a joke. I've been around you guys long enough to know the Sun's reputation.
Not dry enough.
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And for Lampard being used as a holding midfielder with Barry...?Dan wrote:luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Fuck off. Gerrard was routinely moved out wide, on the left, the right, behind the cm's to accomodate the fat fuck who can only score penalties.
He's moved into his usual position for the USA game and has a stormer, moved back - we turn absolute shite. Plays his usual position against Hungary - saves the game with two world class goals.
Gerrard is the best player we have, and the best we've had in years. Nobody has used him properly when it's come to crunchtime.
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Dan wrote:luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Fuck off. Gerrard was routinely moved out wide, on the left, the right, behind the cm's to accomodate the fat fuck who can only score penalties.
He's moved into his usual position for the USA game and has a stormer, moved back - we turn absolute shite. Plays his usual position against Hungary - saves the game with two world class goals.
Gerrard is the best player we have, and the best we've had in years. Nobody has used him properly when it's come to crunchtime.
I wasn't dissing Gerrard mate. I was saying Lampard is being used wrongly for England.
I feel your pain too.
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You guys talk like being a holding midfielder is an insult.
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Scuba Steve wrote:Rei wrote:Sean CFC wrote:@Gordon that's like judging all Americans by what Alexi Lalas says.
That's the point of it. It was a joke. I've been around you guys long enough to know the Sun's reputation.
Not dry enough.
Hmmm...might need to buy a hair-dryer. Thought I must point out the irony of Englishmen not getting dry humor.
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dan
gerrard may be misused
but noting like scholes was
in scholes prime he should of being crucial to england midfield. his technical qualities was far beyond the other players but your beloved gerrard was play in middle whilse scholes went to the wing
another player that was misuse is joe cole
u are talking about one of most technical players in his generation. a true number 10. but like many other few technical english players they being play on the wing? england just having no sense at all in organize those player
gerrard may be misused
but noting like scholes was
in scholes prime he should of being crucial to england midfield. his technical qualities was far beyond the other players but your beloved gerrard was play in middle whilse scholes went to the wing
another player that was misuse is joe cole
u are talking about one of most technical players in his generation. a true number 10. but like many other few technical english players they being play on the wing? england just having no sense at all in organize those player
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No we don't, we're just saying Lampard isn't a holding midfielder, and is being played out of positionmasutora wrote:You guys talk like being a holding midfielder is an insult.
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Danny wrote:And for Lampard being used as a holding midfielder with Barry...?Dan wrote:luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Fuck off. Gerrard was routinely moved out wide, on the left, the right, behind the cm's to accomodate the fat fuck who can only score penalties.
He's moved into his usual position for the USA game and has a stormer, moved back - we turn absolute shite. Plays his usual position against Hungary - saves the game with two world class goals.
Gerrard is the best player we have, and the best we've had in years. Nobody has used him properly when it's come to crunchtime.
Lampard gets a license to get forward. Albeit, not as he does with Chelsea, but that's because Essien is good and Barry isn't..
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Rei wrote:Scuba Steve wrote:Rei wrote:Sean CFC wrote:@Gordon that's like judging all Americans by what Alexi Lalas says.
That's the point of it. It was a joke. I've been around you guys long enough to know the Sun's reputation.
Not dry enough.
Hmmm...might need to buy a hair-dryer. Thought I must point out the irony of Englishmen not getting dry humor.
Well tbf, I'm not English
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masutora wrote:You guys talk like being a holding midfielder is an insult.
Lampard? A holding midfielder? Come on.
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We've used the likes of Scholes, Gerrard, and Cole on the wing in the past because we've had no good left wingers.mauro wrote:dan
gerrard may be misused
but noting like scholes was
in scholes prime he should of being crucial to england midfield. his technical qualities was far beyond the other players but your beloved gerrard was play in middle whilse scholes went to the wing
another player that was misuse is joe cole
u are talking about one of most technical players in his generation. a true number 10. but like many other few technical english players they being play on the wing? england just having no sense at all in organize those player
England players with a left foot that aren't defenders.. Stewart Downing (let's face it, he isn't really anything too special
) and Adam Johnson, who plays on the right side anyway
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mauro wrote:dan
gerrard may be misused
but noting like scholes was
in scholes prime he should of being crucial to england midfield. his technical qualities was far beyond the other players but your beloved gerrard was play in middle whilse scholes went to the wing
another player that was misuse is joe cole
u are talking about one of most technical players in his generation. a true number 10. but like many other few technical english players they being play on the wing? england just having no sense at all in organize those player
Oh, I know. Completely agree.
Not with Cole though, he was misused. Now he's just crap..
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Sean CFC wrote:Rei wrote:Scuba Steve wrote:Rei wrote:Sean CFC wrote:@Gordon that's like judging all Americans by what Alexi Lalas says.
That's the point of it. It was a joke. I've been around you guys long enough to know the Sun's reputation.
Not dry enough.
Hmmm...might need to buy a hair-dryer. Thought I must point out the irony of Englishmen not getting dry humor.
Well tbf, I'm not English
Anyone who defends them, is them.
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Dan wrote:Danny wrote:And for Lampard being used as a holding midfielder with Barry...?Dan wrote:luke. wrote:Lampard isn't used properly for England either.
Fuck off. Gerrard was routinely moved out wide, on the left, the right, behind the cm's to accomodate the fat fuck who can only score penalties.
He's moved into his usual position for the USA game and has a stormer, moved back - we turn absolute shite. Plays his usual position against Hungary - saves the game with two world class goals.
Gerrard is the best player we have, and the best we've had in years. Nobody has used him properly when it's come to crunchtime.
Lampard gets a license to get forward. Albeit, not as he does with Chelsea, but that's because Essien is good and Barry isn't..
He said himself Capello would shout at him if he went forward playing for England
But Lampard+Gerrard will never work.
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Johnson-Terry-Ferd-Cole
--------Cattermole
----Gerrard-----Lampard
Johnson---Rooney---Young
Laugh all you want at Cattermole but he is the best English holding mid and you know he isn't going to be a pussy like Barry.
Johnson-Terry-Ferd-Cole
--------Cattermole
----Gerrard-----Lampard
Johnson---Rooney---Young
Laugh all you want at Cattermole but he is the best English holding mid and you know he isn't going to be a pussy like Barry.
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Aye, he'd just get sent off a lot moreJameswrote:------------Hart
Johnson-Terry-Ferd-Cole
--------Cattermole
----Gerrard-----Lampard
Johnson---Rooney---Young
Laugh all you want at Cattermole but he is the best English holding mid and you know he isn't going to be a pussy like Barry.
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Jameschiboygeorge wrote:England, inventors of the great game.
At least we share our games unlike them fat Americans who play alone but hold world series.
Haha what a douche. At least we have good oral hygiene. Why would they move the World Series around when no other country has the capacity to host it?
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Danny wrote:In Euro 2004 we played a 4-4-2 formation and Lampard wasn't used as a holding midfielder, as he is largely used as now, alongside Barrymauro wrote:the perception of lampard 'playing as number 10' or 'playing behind striker'
is very false
it will seem like that because chelsea dominates possession, they no need to overexert themself and can just using mikel to sit back while others bomb forward
in truth, like even ancelotti found out, lampard is not capable of playing number 10 at all. lampard worst form of his life when ancelotti try him as number 10
lampard is box to box player and false deep lying playmaker
i think capello is using him in best position possible. people seeming to forget that is same position erikkson using lampard in for euro 2004 when he was probably best player in whole tournament
to me problem lies in what kind of philospopy england need
in past they using their most technical players in wrong positions like playing cole and scholes on wing in favor of playing "box to box" players in central area behind 2 strikers. this is just to outdated as a model
since when is lampard classify as holding midfielder?
because of what formation say on teamsheet?
if he was true holder he would being duplicate role of barry, but even despite england lack of quality u can still seeing he has attacking intent,something barry is not haveing
to me is just another perception. maybe just because capello is italian? who knows
in the end, capello is trying to find formula for a formation to use this team
he cannot make a formation and force those player to adapt to it. he must adapt himself to players hence why he reverting back to longball style in recent matches. is not pretty but is only thing possible with current situations
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Johnson-Terry-Ferd-Cole
--------Cattermole
----Gerrard-----Lampard
Johnson---Rooney---Young
Laugh all you want at Cattermole but he is the best English holding mid and you know he isn't going to be a pussy like Barry.
Yeah I'm gonna laugh all I want. Cattermole is absolute fucking piss. Imagine him vs Xavi, he'd be sent off within minutes.
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Are you guys talking about players being misused with the English NT? 
All of England's midfield+Offensive players are misused with Capello's tactics.
All of England's midfield+Offensive players are misused with Capello's tactics.
