Premier League match discussion thread | 2014/15

SBSP wrote:At least three huge saves.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Completely unexpected set of events.

vel wrote:why do arsenal fans want to keep wenger? lol

Keyser Söze wrote:In an ideal world Wenger would let go of his stubbornness and start adapting to modern day football like top mangers should do. I really like him, but if he's going to continue to be content with mediocrity then he really needs to leave.

Problem is I know he'll go to a top club like Real Madrid or PSG do the opposite of his currently doing at Arsenal and end up doing really well.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:In an ideal world Wenger would let go of his stubbornness and start adapting to modern day football like top mangers should do. I really like him, but if he's going to continue to be content with mediocrity then he really needs to leave.

Problem is I know he'll go to a top club like Real Madrid or PSG do the opposite of his currently doing at Arsenal and end up doing really well.

How do you think he should adapt?  He's spunking loads of money up the wall in the transfer market which is a pretty big change for him.

Keyser Söze wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

How do you think he should adapt?  He's spunking loads of money up the wall in the transfer market which is a pretty big change for him.

I don't think he's spending enough. Given what figures released by the club and all the bravado about being able to spend big I think we would be spending more.

And probably more crucially from a transfer point of view, he isn't spending money on the areas that need addressing. We needed a DM, CB and ST more than we needed a winger. Fair enough Sanchez was an opportunistic purchase that you really can't turn down but if this is a club that's serious about doing well that some sort of transfer plan would have been set out months in advance with a contingency for situations like Sanchez.

I don't tend to agree with Graeme Souness but he was right about being a club that don't learn from our mistakes, but he failed to mention that we don't learn off the field as well. We've dithered in the transfer market in the past on missed on vital players like Higuain and Gustavo so surely after winning a trophy and wanting to kick on and start a "new era" you have to avoid falling into these transfer market mistakes again. I'd expect a club like Arsenal to draw up a list of 5-10 players for each of those positions, with the first 2-3 players being the high quality, team improves that you really want and the ones that you move quickly and decisively to sign. None of this drawn out squabbling over transfer fees and wages that takes so long another club swoops in and hijacks the deal.

And none of this "we'll scrape through and make do with what we have". Diaby is a crock, Wilshere is not a CM let alone and CDM, Flamini was meant to be a free quick fix he's simply not good enough to be a 1st choice CDM for two seasons. Arteta is 32 and was obviously a last minute panic buy, yeah he was good for a couple of season but how you drag him out as 1st choice CDM for 4 seasons is beyond me.

Giroud is SHIT. Podolski is SHIT, and Wenger knows this as evidenced by his lack of playing time, so why keep him around? Sanogo is too raw (well, he's also shit but I can't tell what type of shit it is) So how on earth do you go into a season with a raw 21 that was recently playing Ligue 2 football, a player whom by your own admission is shit and regularly not played or when played is deployed on the wings and Giroud. And then buying Danny Welbeck as a last minute result because of injuries and fan pressure. He might turn out to be good but he's not the type of player we need right now. We don't have time to develop and bed in these player. You do that when you're really good or really shit. Not when you're petering on the edge. It's comical. And on an unrelated note, Källström? Seriously.

Decisions like these are born out of a mentality of "we'll make do somehow". It comes from a mentality of "if we spend money on X position now it means we can't spend money on that position again for 3-4 years". It's a small club mentality. The top clubs are willing to cut losses on shit players after one season, they're willing to be ruthless. PSG, City, Chelsea, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona (to an extent) and now maybe Manchester United are all more than willing to spend an unspecified and seemingly unlimited amount of money on any given positions depending on how needs dictate. If Arsenal aren't prepared to do that because of financial restrictions then they need to stop lying to the fans but at the moment it seems Wenger seems reluctant to be the type of manager that spends £25-30 million on 2-3 players a season. This isn't 1996 anymore where you can buy cheap players from untapped markets and he needs to realize that.   

And the incomprehensible need that Wenger has to play players out of position. Obviously the fans aren't privy to what goes on in training and Wenger can rant all he wants about what he's achieved tactically in the past, point still stand that during games most people can plainly see when a player is not suited to a position. And this clarity is only heightened further by how often he plays them out of position. After you a play a player out of position 5+ times it becomes obvious. Wilshere isn't a winger nor is he capable being a DM. Cazorla isn't a winger, and it's even more infuriating when you see how well he did in his 1st season at Arsenal playing in the middle. Ozil isn't capable of functioning as a human being whilst on a football pitch. Sanchez isn't a striker. 4141 doesn't work for Ramsey. Yet these are things Wenger persists with. If you the correct type of player to play in that position you go buy one.

I also don't like how we're playing but that's probably born out of the players we have rather than a concentrated effort by Wenger to play shit football.

/rant.

Keyser Söze wrote:And the incomprehensible need that Wenger has to play players out of position. Obviously the fans aren't privy to what goes on in training and Wenger can rant all he wants about what he's achieved tactically in the past, point still stand that during games most people can plainly see when a player is not suited to a position. And this clarity is only heightened further by how often he plays them out of position. After you a play a player out of position 5+ times it becomes obvious. Wilshere isn't a winger nor is he capable being a DM. Cazorla isn't a winger, and it's even more infuriating when you see how well he did in his 1st season at Arsenal playing in the middle. Ozil isn't capable of functioning as a human being whilst on a football pitch. Sanchez isn't a striker. 4141 doesn't work for Ramsey. Yet these are things Wenger persists with. If you don't have the correct type of player to play in that position you go buy one.

I also don't like how we're playing but that's probably born out of the players we have rather than a concentrated effort by Wenger to play shit football.

/rant.

Zzonked wrote:Does anyone actually give a fuck that Wenger 'shoved' Mourinho?


I feel like the media are bigging it up like everyone has an opinion on it and it's a big deal, but I am not even close to giving a shit.

Zzonked wrote:Does anyone actually give a fuck that Wenger 'shoved' Mourinho?


I feel like the media are bigging it up like everyone has an opinion on it and it's a big deal, but I am not even close to giving a shit.