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    Glazers set to repay Manchester United loans

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    Post by Lux Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9192771.stm

    A substantial amount of it at least.

    Manchester United's American owners are to pay off their high interest payment-in-kind (PIK) loans, estimated to be worth about £220m.
    The loans were borrowed from three US hedge funds to help finance the Glazer family's £790m takeover in 2005.
    The BBC understands the club's joint chairman Joel Glazer has written to the lenders and said the loan would be paid in full on Monday, 22 November.
    The football club's total debts are estimated at more than £720m.
    It is not yet clear how the Glazer family were able to raise the money to pay off the PIK loans.
    They are understood to have given the Citadel, Och Ziff and Perry Capital hedge funds seven days' notice of the repayment.
    The PIK loans were significantly reduced as part of a refinancing package in 2006 but since then have been accruing interest at extremely punitive rates.
    Earlier this year the rate rose to 16.25% and although the Glazers are liable for the debt, supporters have long suspected money from the club would eventually be used to start paying them off.
    As part of a £526m bond refinancing in January, the Glazers were given the freedom to take up to £70m from the club's revenues to pay down the PIKs.
    The Glazer family borrowed the money from three hedge funds and by notifying the lenders they intend to pay them off in full next Monday, the Glazers will reduce the financial pressure on the club.
    The club's parent company, Red Football Limited, is due to publish financial results for the first quarter on Tuesday, but those figures are not expected to include details of how the PIKs, which sit on the accounts of Red Football Joint Venture Ltd, have been redeemed.
    Despite making a £79.6m pre tax loss for the last financial year, mainly due to one off interest and debt charges, United generated revenues of £278m and have more than £100m of cash reserves.
    But taking money from the club at a time when many supporters feel there should be more investment in the team will only add to the opposition to the Glazers at Old Trafford.
    If the money has not been taken out in that way then the Glazers may have borrowed the money from other financial institutions at more affordable rates to refinance the PIKs.
    United had no debts before the Glazers, who also own American Football side the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, took control in 2005.
    And their ownership of United has provoked much criticism and resulted in the setting up of breakaway fans' club FC United of Manchester and the Green and Gold protest movement.
    Many fans are continuing to boycott the team's traditional red shirts and scarves, choosing to wear green and gold, the original colours of Newton Heath, the amateur side which was founded in 1878 and went on to become Manchester United.
    A mass protest was held outside Old Trafford before the final game of last season and this season has also seen demonstrations.

    Still not good enough, this still leaves £500m of debt that needs to be paid off with interest.....but it's a step in the right direction.
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    Post by Danny Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:45 pm

    Knowing them, they've probably loaned this money to pay off -_-
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    Post by Cornholio Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:22 pm

    Danny B wrote:Knowing them, they've probably loaned this money to pay off Glazers set to repay Manchester United loans 881856

    This.

    Or there goes your transfer budget for the next 3 years.
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    Post by Scuba Steve Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:23 pm

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    Glazers say they'll pay off £220m PIK debt by next Mon. So does this mean #MUFC are free to spend big money or more hamstrung than ever?
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    Post by moscowmadeit3 Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:28 pm

    Rumours around united today about this are that the Glazers have sold of some assets in the states. Although, he might not be true, but that is one of the ways they can attempt to pay them off.

    Another is taking a loan out again. This however might be the case as it can not be shown until later financial quarters.

    The Glazers aren't stupid enough to have taken the 95m out of the club given the current hatred in their direction, it would put the g&g in prime control.

    Still, it isn't a good position, how long is it before they take money out? still doesn't put us financial secure. The record lose for this year was too much for a club this big world wide. With a record profit we shouldn't be making such a huge lose. This can only happen under the Glazers. We were NEVER in this situation before they came.

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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:15 am

    If they're taking out more loans to pay it off. facepalm
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    Post by Barton Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:34 am

    They should just bugger off tbh. Neutral
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    Post by Sean Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:41 am

    Hold on, Glazers taking out a loan to pay off a loan? shifty
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    Post by moscowmadeit3 Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:29 am

    Sean CFC wrote:Hold on, Glazers taking out a loan to pay off a loan? shifty

    Most likely. They would get a smaller interest rate on the new loan, hence why they will most likely do that.

    So we're getting rid of debt for more debt, well fucking done the Glazer family, fucking idiotic americans.
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:46 am

    Manchester United are lucky to not be in Italy. They'd have been shut down by now.

    They ought to just pay off what they can and look to get out.
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    Post by Danny Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:47 am

    The thing is, they don't have any money, they can't really pay off anything Neutral
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:48 am

    Find a rich oil tycoon? Or maybe warm up to one of the Russian oligarchs of oil. Laughing
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    Post by Danny Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:51 am

    It's all well and good finding rich people, it's getting them to pay £1bn to buy the club in the first place, and fund the club afterwards, and get the Glazers to sell. After all, selling for a 1bn is only a 200-300m profit Neutral
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:58 am

    1 billion? That's a bit much for a club to be worth. I could see why it'd be hard to find a buyer. I'd not pay more than 500 at the most and that's being generous. But to a Russian oil oligarch, that's probably a drop in the ocean. Not to mention diamonds are also becoming a thing there.

    Hong Kong businessman is also an option. Ah well. Hate to see dummies owning and/or running a big club.
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    Post by Danny Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:01 am

    Well, we're in terms of worth, we're the richest club in the world... about 1.19bn Neutral

    And the Glazers won't sell for under that. Selling for 500m would lose around 200-300m Neutral
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:04 am

    I think if you consider either way, the club is a sunk cost, it really doesn't matter if they get a loss.
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    Post by Danny Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:05 am

    Would matter to them, and it matters to us because they won't sell for under what they bought us for Neutral
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    Post by Lux Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:05 am

    ILCaesar wrote:1 billion? That's a bit much for a club to be worth. I could see why it'd be hard to find a buyer. I'd not pay more than 500 at the most and that's being generous. But to a Russian oil oligarch, that's probably a drop in the ocean. Not to mention diamonds are also becoming a thing there.

    Hong Kong businessman is also an option. Ah well. Hate to see dummies owning and/or running a big club.

    Didn't that Red Knights consortium already offer £1billion....only to be rejected?....
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:08 am

    Danny B wrote:Would matter to them, and it matters to us because they won't sell for under what they bought us for Neutral
    I meant it more along the lines of it doesn't matter because money lost is money lost. They would probably be better off taking the initial loss. pirat
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    Post by moscowmadeit3 Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:28 am

    Luxz0rz wrote:
    ILCaesar wrote:1 billion? That's a bit much for a club to be worth. I could see why it'd be hard to find a buyer. I'd not pay more than 500 at the most and that's being generous. But to a Russian oil oligarch, that's probably a drop in the ocean. Not to mention diamonds are also becoming a thing there.

    Hong Kong businessman is also an option. Ah well. Hate to see dummies owning and/or running a big club.

    Didn't that Red Knights consortium already offer £1billion....only to be rejected?....

    Rumour has it
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    Post by ILCaesar Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:32 am

    You're asking the wrong person, Lux. Why would I keep up with news about Manchester United?
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    Post by Lux Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:35 am

    ILCaesar wrote:You're asking the wrong person, Lux. Why would I keep up with news about Manchester United?

    I was more stating it than asking to be honest Embarassed
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    Post by Jord Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:41 am

    No owners can just pay off 1billion like that. Doesn't work that way, they have no doubt got a huge loan themselves. Even taking it out ofn the transfer budget for the next 5 years won't pay that much money off.
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    Post by Danny Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:46 am

    They don't have to pay off a billion though Mad

    Unless we have that much interest added on to the debt Neutral
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    Post by moscowmadeit3 Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:00 am

    £500 million debt.

    £400m in bonds which will need paying back by 2017 with interest, or something like that

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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:03 am

    They're a joke, here take this boys..

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    This ship is sinking. Neutral

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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:39 am

    Bit premature to say that
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