Steven Gerrard is a failure as Captain

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am

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Steven Gerrard is a failure as Captain

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am

2007: Failed to qualify for Euro 2008
2010: Failed to win the best English group since the Beatles, humiliated in Last 16.
2012: Dominated in midfield in every single game, eliminated in Quarter Finals after abject performance

Not to mention his constant failures to achieve the League title with Liverpool. About time he retired from international football and made way for players who actually have some technical ability and can pass to their team mates on a regular basis.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:19 am

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:19 am

Gerrard was probably our player of the tournament.

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 am

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by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 am

|Bent|9 wrote:Gerrard was probably our player of the tournament.

How can a Central Midfielder be player of the tournament when England were completely dominated in midfield in every game?

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:21 am

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:21 am

Who would you say it would be then?

by Sigurdsson Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:24 am

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by Sigurdsson Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:24 am

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Anyone here think Gerrard's performances in the European Championship could lead to him getting a move to a bigger club or a CL club?

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:27 am

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:27 am

It's about time England started developing players with traits, like the Spanish, all the do with there midfielders is have them find space and pass the ball and England need to do this with there midfielders.

by Sigurdsson Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:29 am

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by Sigurdsson Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:29 am

To be honest, the OP is idiotic. It doesn't matter who was captain. Or are you saying that if someone else was captain, we would have won the Euros?

by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:31 am

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by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:31 am

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

|Bent|9 wrote:Gerrard was probably our player of the tournament.

How can a Central Midfielder be player of the tournament when England were completely dominated in midfield in every game?

England at Euro 2012 that's how Laughing

by El_indian Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:33 am

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by El_indian Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:33 am

I predicted one of these threads from RR.

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:34 am

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by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:34 am

If the captaincy definitely makes a difference, then Gerrard is an abject failure. If the captaincy definitely doesn't make a difference, then it doesn't matter if Gerrard is captain. In either case, there is no point in retaining this bastard.

by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:37 am

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by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:37 am

So who should be captain?

by Kuled Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 am

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by Kuled Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 am

Was he captain in 2007? shifty

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:42 am

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by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:42 am

dena wrote:So who should be captain?

Joseph Hart, Ashley Cole, Michael Carrick or Wayne Rooney

Kuled wrote:Was he captain in 2007?

Yes, Terry was injured, but England were in a great position to qualify until Gerrard fucked it up. Lampard and Beckham did their best to salvage it but ultimately they couldn't. The midfield was too badly overrun while Hargreaves sat on the bench.

by Kuled Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:43 am

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by Kuled Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:43 am

I want Hart to be England captain.

by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:44 am

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by dena Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:44 am

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

dena wrote:So who should be captain?

Joseph Hart, Ashley Cole, Michael Carrick or Wayne Rooney

Kuled wrote:Was he captain in 2007?

Yes, Terry was injured, but England were in a great position to qualify until Gerrard fucked it up. Lampard and Beckham did their best to salvage it but ultimately they couldn't. The midfield was too badly overrun while Hargreaves sat on the bench.

Wayne Rooney who got suspended for two games this tournament for reckless play? And Ashley Cole who shoots people? Michael Carrick doesn't even get games, not his fault though England managers are just blind to his quality I guess. Joe Hart is probably the only England player who'd i've give it to.

by El_indian Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:46 am

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by El_indian Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:46 am

Gerrard punches people

by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:46 am

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by ResurrectionRooney Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:46 am

dena wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Joseph Hart, Ashley Cole, Michael Carrick or Wayne Rooney

Yes, Terry was injured, but England were in a great position to qualify until Gerrard fucked it up. Lampard and Beckham did their best to salvage it but ultimately they couldn't. The midfield was too badly overrun while Hargreaves sat on the bench.

Wayne Rooney who got suspended for two games this tournament for reckless play? And Ashley Cole who shoots people? Michael Carrick doesn't even get games, not his fault though England managers are just blind to his quality I guess. Joe Hart is probably the only England player who'd i've give it to.

I choose Cole, Hart and Rooney because they're guaranteed starters in anyone's eyes, and I choose Carrick because he should be.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:51 am

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:51 am

hes shit

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:53 am

Give it to Rooney, so when England crash out of the next international tournament, RR can place the blame on his favourite player

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:54 am

this is what i think everytime i see RR post

Steven Gerrard is a failure as Captain 0042_of7f

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:57 am

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by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:57 am

ViVaRooney wrote:this is what i think everytime i see RR post

hi parendeep singh patel

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Re: Steven Gerrard is a failure as Captain

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:50 pm

ResurrectionRooney wrote:2007: Failed to qualify for Euro 2008
2010: Failed to win the best English group since the Beatles, humiliated in Last 16.
2012: Dominated in midfield in every single game, eliminated in Quarter Finals after abject performance

Not to mention his constant failures to achieve the League title with Liverpool. About time he retired from international football and made way for players who actually have some technical ability and can pass to their team mates on a regular basis.

There are two major errors I find in your reasoning.

First, is the expectation of a captain (or any individual for that matter) to lead an entire team like that. No matter how good a player is, he can't carry an average or slightly above average team to glory. Take a look at Messi with Argentina. Now, that Argentina is actually playing better as a team and Messi in his prime, he can somewhat make a difference. Gerrard is far from being Messi, so to expect him to win a major title with both England and Liverpool is absurd. In fact, when is the last time a captain of England or Liverpool lead the teams to major titles?

Second, I recall you stating in a previous thread that you personally didn't see the importance of naming a captain. So blaming the failures of England on the "captaincy" is hypocritical at least. Who would you have captain instead that could lead the team? Joe Hart you say? His greatest influence (if any) will be on the defense of England. He can't exactly lead the whole team. Rooney? The hot headed player who spent half the tournament suspended?

Besides all this, Gerrard is one of the few players who actually caught my attention in this tournament. He was vital in England's goals and he was the only decent midfielder out of a team that was severely lacking one. Gerrard actually has some technical ability. So who are these other "technical" English players that he should make way for? And that shouldn't be Gerrard's decision, it should be the manager's.

by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:31 pm

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by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:31 pm

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If the captaincy definitely makes a difference, then Gerrard is an abject failure. If the captaincy definitely doesn't make a difference, then it doesn't matter if Gerrard is captain. In either case, there is no point in retaining this bastard.

As long as Gerrard is picked, he should be captain. Most of the players came out and praised his ability to let his football do the talking, rather than being a loud influence like Terry apparently is, they wouldn't do that if he was a liability.

The crux of the matter is that not only were England a man light in midfield half the time, Gerrard spent the majority of the time looking for the driving forward pass/cross as few options were available due to limited movement of the players, unlike the large numbers of short passes other nations' midfield key-men played. Despite this, those passes were largely successful.

He was also the only midfield player selected in the 23 that could pick, and play, an effective pass. The only other goals that England scored in the tournament not down to Gerrard were pretty much flukes, though in the case of Welbeck I prefer to see it as wonderful improvisation.

But i'm getting away from the point here. Whether an indictment on his mental state or not, Gerrard plays better as captain.
Seeing as Hart is good enough anyway, Terry is divisive (and puts his body on the line regardless), Cole seems to be reliable (apart from Euro 2012), and Rooney both doesn't need the pressure and hasn't done much of note on the highest international stage since his breakout tournament, it makes sense to install Gerrard as captain as long as he is selected for the starting XI.

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by menalawyerguy Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:49 pm

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by menalawyerguy Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:49 pm

ricky//habana wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If the captaincy definitely makes a difference, then Gerrard is an abject failure. If the captaincy definitely doesn't make a difference, then it doesn't matter if Gerrard is captain. In either case, there is no point in retaining this bastard.

As long as Gerrard is picked, he should be captain.

Even though he is an abject failure, cheats on his taxes and has almost certainly molested at least half a dozen small children?

by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:54 pm

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by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:54 pm

menalawyerguy wrote:

ricky//habana wrote:

As long as Gerrard is picked, he should be captain.

Even though he is an abject failure, cheats on his taxes and has almost certainly molested at least half a dozen small children?

Individually, he isn't an abject failure. As part of a team, those teams were generally not good enough anyway.
I assume you're joking though.

by menalawyerguy Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:58 pm

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by menalawyerguy Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:58 pm

He is also a habitual kitten stomper.

by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:59 pm

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by ricky//habana Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:59 pm

menalawyerguy wrote:He is also a habitual kitten stomper.

Cunt deserves to be hung, drawn and quartered.

by George Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:01 pm

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by George Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:01 pm

This is a woeful attempt to have a dig at Liverpool or Gerrard, your argument is full or contradictions.
During this tournament Steven led by example and he carried the (average) England side to the Quarter-finals.

Unfortunately for Gerrard, he has played in a team (Liverpool) that has underachieved (most of time) and despite this, Gerrard has always been the star player.

If Gerrard is a 'failure' at Liverpool, like you said, why is he the captain of England?