First XI: Bad decisions

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YES! Roy Carroll

What about the Lampard goal that never was?

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

That's hardly the same. A referee must be 100% sure about any decision they make. Just because it looked like it might have crossed the line, doesn't mean the referee will make a quick and emotional decision like the England players. Players "see" and argue any decision, whether they are right or wrong.

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

That's hardly the same. A referee must be 100% sure about any decision they make. Just because it looked like it might have crossed the line, doesn't mean the referee will make a quick and emotional decision like the England players. Players "see" and argue any decision, whether they are right or wrong.

It was fucking obvious, you can go and fuck yourself if their not at fault tbh

What about the ghost gaol in the Champions League semi's between Chelsea and Liverpool? .
I used to support Chelsea then I changed to Liverpool because of it .

Not

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

That's hardly the same. A referee must be 100% sure about any decision they make. Just because it looked like it might have crossed the line, doesn't mean the referee will make a quick and emotional decision like the England players. Players "see" and argue any decision, whether they are right or wrong.

You really can't defend the officals after what happened, it's there job to keep an on this sort of stuff, and when everyone in the entire stadium sore the ball clearly cross the line and they didn't, it's atrocious.

We all saw it in real time at home as well, it wasn't one where you think, ooh, did that go over. It was definately over. Even my mum saw it was a goal and celebrated with me and my dad, and she knows fuck all about football

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

That's hardly the same. A referee must be 100% sure about any decision they make. Just because it looked like it might have crossed the line, doesn't mean the referee will make a quick and emotional decision like the England players. Players "see" and argue any decision, whether they are right or wrong.

Get out of it. All the blame is on the officials. It's their job to see these things after all.

Dan wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny B wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

The ball was clearly over the line. All of the England bench could see it, who were 50 yards away, and the referee/liner couldn't when they were 10-20?

That's hardly the same. A referee must be 100% sure about any decision they make. Just because it looked like it might have crossed the line, doesn't mean the referee will make a quick and emotional decision like the England players. Players "see" and argue any decision, whether they are right or wrong.

Get out of it. All the blame is on the officials. It's their job to see these things after all.

Exactly, whats the point in even having linesmen if there not gonna do there fucking job.

No efense Ahlycotc, but you can piss off for making such a poor attempt at trying to defend the officals.

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

So we can't really blame the officials that in a World Cup Last 16 encounter between England and Germany, its 2-1, England score a perfectly good goal, the ball was in the fucking middle of the goal lad. A good 3-4 yards past the line.

Who's to blame if not the officials?

Don't be so fucking stupid. It was an outrageous decision and you know it.

The whole pub were jumping up and down for about 2 minutes after it went 'in',I was one of the only ones that knew it didn't count.

Then everyone calmed down and found out, glasses hurled at the screen

At least they put Reading's ghost goal in there.

I was there, fucking disgrace

What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

Sean CFC wrote:What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

:evil:

Sean CFC wrote:What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

Was clearly over the line...

Sean CFC wrote:What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

Why would they put a goal in there? Nothing strange about that..

Sean CFC wrote:What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

Ohh that was different

grenade187 wrote:

Sean CFC wrote:What about Englands goal in the '66 final?

Ohh that was different

Yeah it was actually, we didn't have goal line technology in 1966. We have it in 2010, but aren't using it. Thats why Sepp Blatter took so much stick instead of the officals after the disallowed Lampard goal.

Starting Robert Green and James Milner was a bad decision against the US in the World Cup.

Same could be said of letting Robbie Findley and Ricardo Clark to play though.

Surprised the goal that never was in the Crystal Palace vs Bristol City game isn't mentioned.

Scuba Steve wrote:Starting Robert Green and James Milner was a bad decision against the US in the World Cup.

Same could be said of letting Robbie Findley and Ricardo Clark to play though.

I agree, i thought we should have started Joe Hart even before Robert Green's mistake and James Milner was suffering with a virus so that was stupid starting him.

Surprisingly, our game against the US was probably our best performance at the World Cup, we didn't play that badly and we could have won it as put alot of persure on the US throughout the second half.

Let me repeat myself, officials must be 100% sure of a decision before they make it. The officials were not in the right place to accurately see it. It's difficult for the linesman to run about 20 yards towards the goal line that fast to see if the ball crossed. And the center ref can't really see it from his angle because he was 30 yards away, several players were in his way, and he is looking straight not from the side.

And let's be honest. Sitting at the bar or at home watching the game from several angles is not the same as being in the shoes of the official. Were the officials just not paying attention or not looking at where the ball was going? I highly doubt it. Did they intentionally not let the goal count? I highly doubt it. So why did they not call it? Because they weren't in the position to make a 100% correct call.

So who is to blame? FIFA for not putting goal line technology to use or adding replays. Or maybe a penalty area referee could have caught the ball crossing the line.

More importantly, going back to my original post, this doesn't deserve to be in the starting XI.

The Afternoon's Hat wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

So we can't really blame the officials that in a World Cup Last 16 encounter between England and Germany, its 2-1, England score a perfectly good goal, the ball was in the fucking middle of the goal lad. A good 3-4 yards past the line.

Who's to blame if not the officials?

Don't be so fucking stupid. It was an outrageous decision and you know it.

You must really love exaggerating or are just bad at measuring things with your eyesight. That was no way 3-4 yards past the line. It was about 1 yard. Just in case you forgot, the WHOLE ball has to cross the line. If 0.000001% of the ball is still on the line, it's not a goal. So subtract that from the distance the ball hit the ground.

ahlycotc wrote:Let me repeat myself, officials must be 100% sure of a decision before they make it. The officials were not in the right place to accurately see it. It's difficult for the linesman to run about 20 yards towards the goal line that fast to see if the ball crossed. And the center ref can't really see it from his angle because he was 30 yards away, several players were in his way, and he is looking straight not from the side.

And let's be honest. Sitting at the bar or at home watching the game from several angles is not the same as being in the shoes of the official. Were the officials just not paying attention or not looking at where the ball was going? I highly doubt it. Did they intentionally not let the goal count? I highly doubt it. So why did they not call it? Because they weren't in the position to make a 100% correct call.

So who is to blame? FIFA for not putting goal line technology to use or adding replays. Or maybe a penalty area referee could have caught the ball crossing the line.

More importantly, going back to my original post, this doesn't deserve to be in the starting XI.

Well FIFA are the morons that decided to put the responsiblity on a man with a flag standing on the touchline instead of using technology, i understand that it MIGHT have been difficult to see, but its there responsiblity to see if the ball crossed the line and when the officals get a decision wrong by quite a marigne then there the ones to belame.

ahlycotc wrote:

The Afternoon's Hat wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:What about the Lampard goal that never was?

That hardly deserves to be in the First XI. In fact, you can't really blame the officials for that.

So we can't really blame the officials that in a World Cup Last 16 encounter between England and Germany, its 2-1, England score a perfectly good goal, the ball was in the fucking middle of the goal lad. A good 3-4 yards past the line.

Who's to blame if not the officials?

Don't be so fucking stupid. It was an outrageous decision and you know it.

You must really love exaggerating or are just bad at measuring things with your eyesight. That was no way 3-4 yards past the line. It was about 1 yard. Just in case you forgot, the WHOLE ball has to cross the line. If 0.000001% of the ball is still on the line, it's not a goal. So subtract that from the distance the ball hit the ground.

Thats defo about 2-3 yards over the line.

That's not 2 yards.

Neuer is probably about 2 yards himself.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:That's not 2 yards.

Neuer is probably about 2 yards himself.

That's not the point, it was still blantaly over the line.