Valdes is the best keeper during one on on situations

2 in a row Filippo

Defninitly isn't.

Valdes is such an over-rated keeper, Sorry Filippo

He still is, he's been put in a ridiculous situation the striker is always going to have the advantage when he has no pressure from other players on him whatsoever. He's been great most of the season.

No pressure from other players? They call it a 1 on 1 for a reason you know.

But Valdes went to ground too quickly tonight. The key is to stay on your feet for as long as possible, he just ran to the edge of the box dived and Torres did the easiest thing ever.

luke. wrote:No pressure from other players? They call it a 1 on 1 for a reason you know.

He had the whole half to himself it's obvious what I meant.

James wrote:But Valdes went to ground too quickly tonight. The key is to stay on your feet for as long as possible, he just ran to the edge of the box dived and Torres did the easiest thing ever.

If he stays on his feet for too long Torres slots it past him, if Valdes dives too early Torres takes it around him.. Torres was in no rush he could of taken as long as he liked it would of been criminal if Torres didn't score that.

He also knocked out Pique when he could have just caught the ball
He's shown a lack of communication with the defenders quite often. His positioning is pretty shit too.

Come at me Theoo

Theo Filippo wrote:

luke. wrote:No pressure from other players? They call it a 1 on 1 for a reason you know.

He had the whole half to himself it's obvious what I meant.

James wrote:But Valdes went to ground too quickly tonight. The key is to stay on your feet for as long as possible, he just ran to the edge of the box dived and Torres did the easiest thing ever.

If he stays on his feet for too long Torres slots it past him, if Valdes dives too early Torres takes it around him.. Torres was in no rush he could of taken as long as he liked it would of been criminal if Torres didn't score that.

Here's the thing. If Valdes goes down it gives Torres 2 options, he takes it round him or tries the cheeky dink (which was never gonna happen considering the circumstances.

If Valdes stays on his feet and doesn't dive as soon as Torres enters the box, Torres has to decide if he wants to take it round him still or slot it past him. Bear in mind he will always go on the right side, that means Valdes has half of the goal covered and Torres hasn't exactly been in form I reckon that is the option he should have taken.

Going down so early was a guarenteed goal for Torres, staying on his feet would have given Valdes more of a chance.

James wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:He had the whole half to himself it's obvious what I meant.

If he stays on his feet for too long Torres slots it past him, if Valdes dives too early Torres takes it around him.. Torres was in no rush he could of taken as long as he liked it would of been criminal if Torres didn't score that.

Here's the thing. If Valdes goes down it gives Torres 2 options, he takes it round him or tries the cheeky dink (which was never gonna happen considering the circumstances.

If Valdes stays on his feet and doesn't dive as soon as Torres enters the box, Torres has to decide if he wants to take it round him still or slot it past him. Bear in mind he will always go on the right side, that means Valdes has half of the goal covered and Torres hasn't exactly been in form I reckon that is the option he should have taken.

Going down so early was a guarenteed goal for Torres, staying on his feet would have given Valdes more of a chance.

Does Torres have even more of an advantage than normal in a 1 on 1 (Having the entire final third to himself).. yes he does, it's all good saying what you are saying but he's had to make a quick decision after watching Barcelona in Chelsea's third for minutes on end probably not even expecting Chelsea to get a break as lucky as that. Instead of constantly picking up on Valdes's mistakes I reckon you should actually back up somebody who is.. you know better than Valdes in these situations. Casillas sure as fuck isn't.

Grenade wrote:He also knocked out Pique when he could have just caught the ball
He's shown a lack of communication with the defenders quite often. His positioning is pretty shit too.

Come at me Theoo

I don't understand why people always criticize goalkeepers for punching it's playing it safe. He's not going to have a great relationship with a back 3/4 that is changing all the time, not many keepers do. Not even going to entertain the positioning argument he's just not been as good the last two games and everyone jumps on him, I didn't hear many say anything about him until last week probably shows how good he is actually, people need to see a few 'errors' to start speaking about him.

Valdes is terrible.

Valdes is criminally underrated, especialy since so many people probably have only watched his last couple of games where he just so happened to make mistakes.

Valdes is neither over- nor underrated, can't see anything special about him and can't see why another good keeper can't do a similar job to his.

Gatsby wrote:Valdes is criminally underrated, especialy since so many people probably have only watched his last couple of games where he just so happened to make mistakes.

He's been Barca's first choice GK for many years, nobody on here just saw him during the last few games

Theo Filippo wrote:

Grenade wrote:He also knocked out Pique when he could have just caught the ball
He's shown a lack of communication with the defenders quite often. His positioning is pretty shit too.

Come at me Theoo

I don't understand why people always criticize goalkeepers for punching it's playing it safe. He's not going to have a great relationship with a back 3/4 that is changing all the time, not many keepers do. Not even going to entertain the positioning argument he's just not been as good the last two games and everyone jumps on him, I didn't hear many say anything about him until last week probably shows how good he is actually, people need to see a few 'errors' to start speaking about him.

I have been pointing out his poor positioning since the 2-1 Arsenal game last season He just tries to be too clever and gets caught out for it.

It wasn't a really hard catch to be honest. Punching it in the middle of the field is hardly safe, compared to catching it. Playing with a different back 4 doesn't excuse you from the fact that you need to communicate with the defenders. I don't understand how that would even affect him, Neuer communicated well with his defenders from day one at a new club.

Gegilworld93 wrote:

Gatsby wrote:Valdes is criminally underrated, especialy since so many people probably have only watched his last couple of games where he just so happened to make mistakes.

He's been Barca's first choice GK for many years, nobody on here just saw him during the last few games

No I mean, some have probably only watched the last few games recently and so in their head they're like, wow he is shit at one on ones.

Gegilworld93 wrote:

Gatsby wrote:Valdes is criminally underrated, especialy since so many people probably have only watched his last couple of games where he just so happened to make mistakes.

He's been Barca's first choice GK for many years, nobody on here just saw him during the last few games

Yeah, most people on here don't watch La Liga but doesn't that tell you something that he's been at Barcelona for all of those years? It's not like he was utter horseshit at any point he won them the champions league in 2006 when he absolutely tormented Henry.

Grenade wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I don't understand why people always criticize goalkeepers for punching it's playing it safe. He's not going to have a great relationship with a back 3/4 that is changing all the time, not many keepers do. Not even going to entertain the positioning argument he's just not been as good the last two games and everyone jumps on him, I didn't hear many say anything about him until last week probably shows how good he is actually, people need to see a few 'errors' to start speaking about him.

I have been pointing out his poor positioning since the 2-1 Arsenal game last season He just tries to be too clever and gets caught out for it.

It wasn't a really hard catch to be honest. Punching it in the middle of the field is hardly safe, compared to catching it. Playing with a different back 4 doesn't excuse you from the fact that you need to communicate with the defenders. I don't understand how that would even affect him, Neuer communicated well with his defenders from day one at a new club.

That wasn't poor positioning, most players cross from that angle not shoot, if Van Persie crossed it nothing would of been said.
He landed awkwardly after jumping between Drogba and Pique anyway so catching it wasn't that great an option. It doesn't excuse but it's understandable and your point about Neuer is bullshit Bayern have had Badstuber and Boateng fit as a central defensive pairing for the majority of the season with Lahm playing most games too so I don't really know what you are talking about there.

Theo Filippo wrote:

James wrote:


Here's the thing. If Valdes goes down it gives Torres 2 options, he takes it round him or tries the cheeky dink (which was never gonna happen considering the circumstances.

If Valdes stays on his feet and doesn't dive as soon as Torres enters the box, Torres has to decide if he wants to take it round him still or slot it past him. Bear in mind he will always go on the right side, that means Valdes has half of the goal covered and Torres hasn't exactly been in form I reckon that is the option he should have taken.

Going down so early was a guarenteed goal for Torres, staying on his feet would have given Valdes more of a chance.

Does Torres have even more of an advantage than normal in a 1 on 1 (Having the entire final third to himself).. yes he does, it's all good saying what you are saying but he's had to make a quick decision after watching Barcelona in Chelsea's third for minutes on end probably not even expecting Chelsea to get a break as lucky as that. Instead of constantly picking up on Valdes's mistakes I reckon you should actually back up somebody who is.. you know better than Valdes in these situations. Casillas sure as fuck isn't.

Lloris.

I'd like to think I've seen him enough from Lyon in the champions league and for France but I've seen about 50 games from Valdes this season and about 5 tops for Lloris, doesn't particularly strike me as better than Valdes in those situations, great reflexes but for me he's a straight out quality shot stopper.

Should have kept out the Drogba effort in the first leg, with his quality.

Theo Filippo wrote:

Gegilworld93 wrote:
He's been Barca's first choice GK for many years, nobody on here just saw him during the last few games

Yeah, most people on here don't watch La Liga but doesn't that tell you something that he's been at Barcelona for all of those years? It's not like he was utter horseshit at any point he won them the champions league in 2006 when he absolutely tormented Henry.

Grenade wrote:

I have been pointing out his poor positioning since the 2-1 Arsenal game last season He just tries to be too clever and gets caught out for it.

It wasn't a really hard catch to be honest. Punching it in the middle of the field is hardly safe, compared to catching it. Playing with a different back 4 doesn't excuse you from the fact that you need to communicate with the defenders. I don't understand how that would even affect him, Neuer communicated well with his defenders from day one at a new club.

That wasn't poor positioning, most players cross from that angle not shoot, if Van Persie crossed it nothing would of been said.
He landed awkwardly after jumping between Drogba and Pique anyway so catching it wasn't that great an option. It doesn't excuse but it's understandable and your point about Neuer is bullshit Bayern have had Badstuber and Boateng fit as a central defensive pairing for the majority of the season with Lahm playing most games too so I don't really know what you are talking about there.

The point about Neuer is he was put in a new team, new training, new goalkeeping tactics and a whole new team and it didn't affect his communication ability and he pretty much instantly had a solid relationship with the defenders when he joined(nohomo). I'm just saying man Valdes has poor communication with defenders, it shouldn't affect him much to play with a different back line, especially with players he trains with everyday.

Theo Filippo wrote:I'd like to think I've seen him enough from Lyon in the champions league and for France but I've seen about 50 games from Valdes this season and about 5 tops for Lloris, doesn't particularly strike me as better than Valdes in those situations, great reflexes but for me he's a straight out quality shot stopper.

I wont say I've watched him lots either, but since I found the bet365 trick I've seen more. He is fast off the line and has a pretty big reach, looks vunerable from crosses though.

Grenade wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Yeah, most people on here don't watch La Liga but doesn't that tell you something that he's been at Barcelona for all of those years? It's not like he was utter horseshit at any point he won them the champions league in 2006 when he absolutely tormented Henry.

That wasn't poor positioning, most players cross from that angle not shoot, if Van Persie crossed it nothing would of been said.
He landed awkwardly after jumping between Drogba and Pique anyway so catching it wasn't that great an option. It doesn't excuse but it's understandable and your point about Neuer is bullshit Bayern have had Badstuber and Boateng fit as a central defensive pairing for the majority of the season with Lahm playing most games too so I don't really know what you are talking about there.

The point about Neuer is he was put in a new team, new training, new goalkeeping tactics and a whole new team and it didn't affect his communication ability and he pretty much instantly had a solid relationship with the defenders when he joined(nohomo). I'm just saying man Valdes has poor communication with defenders, it shouldn't affect him much to play with a different back line, especially with players he trains with everyday.

Nope he's played with most of those guys for Germany, it's not even as bad as you make out earlier he's not consistently full of errors. Can I say Szczesny (He doesn't) has awful commiunication based on that fuck up in the carling cup final with Koscielny?

James wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I'd like to think I've seen him enough from Lyon in the champions league and for France but I've seen about 50 games from Valdes this season and about 5 tops for Lloris, doesn't particularly strike me as better than Valdes in those situations, great reflexes but for me he's a straight out quality shot stopper.

I wont say I've watched him lots either, but since I found the bet365 trick I've seen more. He is fast off the line and has a pretty big reach, looks vunerable from crosses though.

I'm still yet to sign up to Bet365 I forgot about those streams I'm going to sign up soon.

Tbf of what Ive seen of Lloris he's great at 1 on 1's, especially against Ireland he was unbelievable.