The Atheist Thread

What was the original point?

What did he say before the edit?

Zzonked wrote:

Splashy wrote:nvm,

I agree with your original post. To me there just seems to be a basic sense of irrationality about it.

A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

SBSP wrote:

Splashy wrote:
What questions are there to ask about religion?

"Do you believe in my imaginary friend?"

"Yes I do"

You're completely ignorant about religion. Someone might want to know something specific about the religion, or they might want some clarification about some concept.

And you're ignorant to think all Atheist's share the same views, Some people may want to question or non-belief or put forward there side of the argument, there is also Agnosticism which is kinda in the middle.

ahlycotc wrote:What did he say before the edit?

"I dunno, the whole idea just seems stoopid."

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:Nice edit Splashy, avoiding the inevitable "hypocrisy" comments.

I changed it because he tricked me.

Splashy wrote:

SBSP wrote:You're completely ignorant about religion. Someone might want to know something specific about the religion, or they might want some clarification about some concept.

And you're ignorant to think all Atheist's share the same views, Some people may want to question or non-belief or put forward there side of the argument, there is also Agnosticism which is kinda in the middle.

You all share the same view that there is no God, theres very little difference between atheists where their non belief is concerned

How about this question about atheism:

So how and when did you atheists here realise there was no god?

MickStupp wrote:How about this question about atheism:

So how and when did you atheists here realise there was no god?

When God felt it was the right time.

The thing is, the atheists in this thread just bash religion by posting internet memes. That's hardly "sharing of different beliefs and opinions". At the very least, this thread serves no purpose.

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Splashy wrote:nvm,

I agree with your original post. To me there just seems to be a basic sense of irrationality about it.

A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

Which is false. There is plenty of reasoning and thinking behind religion. Even if we were to assume that all religions were created by man, a lot of reasoning and thinking went into it.

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

So I believe in God for no reason? Prayer brings me comfort and confidence. That is a good reason to pray to God. My beliefs give me hope for my time after death, and they also give me comfort for my friends and relatives that die who believe in Christ. Is that not a reason in itself to believe in God? Add to that the strong belief, no, knowledge that I will be with Christ after death?

I think I am agnostic. I don't believe in anything but I like learning about other religions.

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

So I believe in God for no reason? Prayer brings me comfort and confidence. That is a good reason to pray to God. My beliefs give me hope for my time after death, and they also give me comfort for my friends and relatives that die who believe in Christ. Is that not a reason in itself to believe in God? Add to that the strong belief, no, knowledge that I will be with Christ after death?

I disagree with the notion that these are "good" reasons to believe in god. I accept that you may not think like me, I don't find comfort in something I see no evidence for. I don't believe in god for scientific reasons, even if it is what you would think of as depressing.

Oh and you do not know you will be with Christ after death, you were right with strong belief.

ahlycotc wrote:The thing is, the atheists in this thread just bash religion by posting internet memes. That's hardly "sharing of different beliefs and opinions". At the very least, this thread serves no purpose.

This is true. This thread is more anti-religion than atheism.

ahlycotc wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

Which is false. There is plenty of reasoning and thinking behind religion. Even if we were to assume that all religions were created by man, a lot of reasoning and thinking went into it.

I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:A member of the moderating council, calling my religious beliefs irrational.

Religion by definition is irrational. Irrational means without reason. Religion is based pretty much on faith alone, religious faith means believing in something without reason, but on the basis of some sort of spiritual belief. So yes, I'm calling your religion beliefs irrational.

So I believe in God for no reason? Prayer brings me comfort and confidence. That is a good reason to pray to God. My beliefs give me hope for my time after death, and they also give me comfort for my friends and relatives that die who believe in Christ. Is that not a reason in itself to believe in God? Add to that the strong belief, no, knowledge that I will be with Christ after death?

So basically you only believe in religion because it's an emotional crutch that helps you live your life? That isn't based on reason, that's based on emotion.

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:So I believe in God for no reason? Prayer brings me comfort and confidence. That is a good reason to pray to God. My beliefs give me hope for my time after death, and they also give me comfort for my friends and relatives that die who believe in Christ. Is that not a reason in itself to believe in God? Add to that the strong belief, no, knowledge that I will be with Christ after death?

So basically you only believe in religion because it's an emotional crutch that helps you live your life? That isn't based on reason, that's based on emotion.

The Bible is all of the proof that true believers need.

Zzonked wrote:
I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

Sarmz wrote:

Zzonked wrote:
I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

Spot on.

Sarmz wrote:

Zzonked wrote:
I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

True, but no-one is saying that.

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:So I believe in God for no reason? Prayer brings me comfort and confidence. That is a good reason to pray to God. My beliefs give me hope for my time after death, and they also give me comfort for my friends and relatives that die who believe in Christ. Is that not a reason in itself to believe in God? Add to that the strong belief, no, knowledge that I will be with Christ after death?

So basically you only believe in religion because it's an emotional crutch that helps you live your life? That isn't based on reason, that's based on emotion.

The Bible is all of the proof that true believers need.

Yeah the bible is very logical. It's got two of every animal sailing away to safety when the entire earth flooded and talking snakes.

MickStupp wrote:

Sarmz wrote:

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

True, but no-one is saying that.

Plenty of people are certain there is no god. You don't see people questioning their intelligence though.

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:The Bible is all of the proof that true believers need.

Yeah the bible is very logical. It's got two of every animal sailing away to safety when the entire earth flooded and talking snakes.

Who is to say what was not logical thousands of years ago? Just over 200 years ago it was expected, if not encouraged that you be racist towards black people. How does that appear today? Who knows what might seem irrational 200 years from now?

Sarmz wrote:

Zzonked wrote:
I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

I wouldn't say equally irrational, however it would be irrational, yes.

Sarmz wrote:

Zzonked wrote:
I'm calling religious belief irrational because there is no factual reasoning that suggest that god exists. Do you deny that any argument comes down to faith then?

Surely it's equally irrational to be 100% certain that there is no god as well then?

No because scientist's etc put forawrd evidence to support our non-belief.

What has religion got, An ancient book?

i need a poo.

Sarmz wrote:

MickStupp wrote:
True, but no-one is saying that.

Plenty of people are certain there is no god. You don't see people questioning their intelligence though.

Like who? I would certainly challenge their beliefs, since they cannot prove definitively that there is no god. But the vast majority of atheists have a degree of agnosticism.

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:The Bible is all of the proof that true believers need.

Yeah the bible is very logical. It's got two of every animal sailing away to safety when the entire earth flooded and talking snakes.

Who is to say what was not logical thousands of years ago? Just over 200 years ago it was expected, if not encouraged that you be racist towards black people. How does that appear today? Who knows what might seem irrational 200 years from now?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that they had terrible information thousands of years ago and that's what the bible is based on? Doesn't that just give you even less reason behind taking it as fact?

Zzonked wrote:

InGlennyWeTrust wrote:The Bible is all of the proof that true believers need.

Yeah the bible is very logical. It's got two of every animal sailing away to safety when the entire earth flooded and talking snakes.