Tottenham Hotspur: Genuine Title Contenders?

coolhead33 wrote:RR is very gullible. Does he ever think that VDV might be exaggerating a bit?

I think so. VDV will have been talking in jest, more making the point that the players aren't given a massive speech about intricate tactical nuances of the game before we head out like he got at previous clubs.

I by no means think the sun shines out of 'arry's backside but to call him tactically clueless is too far.

Edit: Its common knowledge that if you are within a few points of the top spot with a game in hand or whatever then you are in the title race. It doesn't matter if its 5 games gone or 35 that is how football fans define who is challenging. In the past few seasons i've not thought arsenal have a chance in hell when it comes to it but i've never said they aren't in the title race when they've been in touching distance of the top sides.

Jesus its difficult talking to man united fans.

Who honestly knows, next up is Swansea away which is winnable, then 3 successive home games (including the game in hand) and then City away. IF we beat City and win the other games, then I think you'd have to say we are genuine title contenders because then we'd cut down the gap to 1 point. Do I think we're going to win the title? Nope, I don't. Finish above Arsenal and Chelsea in 3rd? Yeah that is definitely possible, whether Chelsea and Arsenal fans want to admit it or not.

Our aim was 4th, so anything above is a bonus. Automatic group stage place in Champions League will allow us to bring in better players (though in truth I don't think we need many, apart from maybe a LB, young CB (though Caulker has been touted as the long-term replacement to play with Kaboul and Dawson) and one more top class striker (don't think Pav is good enough for us anymore)).

Harry isn't a tactical genius no, but he gets the best out of his players and allows them to play with freedom and play how they want to play. That is all we need, you can see the confidence running through the side. The freedom he's given the side has seen us play some beautiful football. I won't begrudge him if he goes for the England job, because IMO he deserves it and is the right man for the job. Obviously I'd love him to stay, because I'm just nervous at who would replace him and ruin the work that has been put in by bringing his own players/staff and ruin the spirit within the group, which is fantastic.

No.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

coolhead33 wrote:
Fucking hell it's an opinion. Every team starts off in the title race and every team has a chance of winning the title. Spurs are only 4 points off the top so it is very possible that they can win it. My opinion is that they aren't good enough and so is yours but that doesn't mean that they have no chance just because you think so. You can think that but it doesn't automatically make it true.

Exactly, it is an opinion, so saying "We're in the title race, that's just a fact' is nonsense.
It is a fact because they aren't out of it yet. Chances are however that they wont win it because they have not got the experience or financial backing compared to their rivals.

MattSpur wrote:

Well fortunately you're mistaken. Otherwise there would be no shape or tactical changes made throughout games or before to counteract the opposition.

Maybe the players take it upon themselves.

coolhead33 wrote:RR is very gullible. Does he ever think that VDV might be exaggerating a bit?

It crossed my mind, but its very much in keeping with other quotes from Redknapp and his players.

A little bit of common sense would help you to understand things better.

easley91 wrote:Who honestly knows, next up is Swansea away which is winnable, then 3 successive home games (including the game in hand) and then City away. IF we beat City and win the other games, then I think you'd have to say we are genuine title contenders because then we'd cut down the gap to 1 point. Do I think we're going to win the title? Nope, I don't. Finish above Arsenal and Chelsea in 3rd? Yeah that is definitely possible, whether Chelsea and Arsenal fans want to admit it or not.

Our aim was 4th, so anything above is a bonus. Automatic group stage place in Champions League will allow us to bring in better players (though in truth I don't think we need many, apart from maybe a LB, young CB (though Caulker has been touted as the long-term replacement to play with Kaboul and Dawson) and one more top class striker (don't think Pav is good enough for us anymore)).

Yeah, you'd cut the gap to 1 point behind City, but the problem isn't just Manchester City, it's Manchester United. If City were still shit, or United were in mid-table, I'd reckon you had a decent chance, but it'd be extraordinary for you to overtake both. I've fancied you for 3rd for a while, and I reckon you're favourites for it at moment.

Harry isn't a tactical genius no, but he gets the best out of his players and allows them to play with freedom and play how they want to play. That is all we need, you can see the confidence running through the side. The freedom he's given the side has seen us play some beautiful football. I won't begrudge him if he goes for the England job, because IMO he deserves it and is the right man for the job. Obviously I'd love him to stay, because I'm just nervous at who would replace him and ruin the work that has been put in by bringing his own players/staff and ruin the spirit within the group, which is fantastic.

He's a good manager, but tactics certainly aren't his strong suit, a lot like Alexander Ferguson in that respect.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

easley91 wrote:Who honestly knows, next up is Swansea away which is winnable, then 3 successive home games (including the game in hand) and then City away. IF we beat City and win the other games, then I think you'd have to say we are genuine title contenders because then we'd cut down the gap to 1 point. Do I think we're going to win the title? Nope, I don't. Finish above Arsenal and Chelsea in 3rd? Yeah that is definitely possible, whether Chelsea and Arsenal fans want to admit it or not.

Our aim was 4th, so anything above is a bonus. Automatic group stage place in Champions League will allow us to bring in better players (though in truth I don't think we need many, apart from maybe a LB, young CB (though Caulker has been touted as the long-term replacement to play with Kaboul and Dawson) and one more top class striker (don't think Pav is good enough for us anymore)).

Yeah, you'd cut the gap to 1 point behind City, but the problem isn't just Manchester City, it's Manchester United. If City were still shit, or United were in mid-table, I'd reckon you had a decent chance, but it'd be extraordinary for you to overtake both. I've fancied you for 3rd for a while, and I reckon you're favourites for it at moment.

Harry isn't a tactical genius no, but he gets the best out of his players and allows them to play with freedom and play how they want to play. That is all we need, you can see the confidence running through the side. The freedom he's given the side has seen us play some beautiful football. I won't begrudge him if he goes for the England job, because IMO he deserves it and is the right man for the job. Obviously I'd love him to stay, because I'm just nervous at who would replace him and ruin the work that has been put in by bringing his own players/staff and ruin the spirit within the group, which is fantastic.

He's a good manager, but tactics certainly aren't his strong suit, a lot like Alexander Ferguson in that respect.

You're both on the same points, so if that was to stay the same by the time of our game with City, and bearing in mind you play at Arsenal at the same weekend, then we could be 1 point behind you as well. It's unlikely we'll win up at City, but who knows, we may nick a point.

So, you're saying he's like Fergie, and look at all the plaudits he gets.

easley91 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yeah, you'd cut the gap to 1 point behind City, but the problem isn't just Manchester City, it's Manchester United. If City were still shit, or United were in mid-table, I'd reckon you had a decent chance, but it'd be extraordinary for you to overtake both. I've fancied you for 3rd for a while, and I reckon you're favourites for it at moment.



He's a good manager, but tactics certainly aren't his strong suit, a lot like Alexander Ferguson in that respect.

You're both on the same points, so if that was to stay the same by the time of our game with City, and bearing in mind you play at Arsenal at the same weekend, then we could be 1 point behind you as well. It's unlikely we'll win up at City, but who knows, we may nick a point.

So, you're saying he's like Fergie, and look at all the plaudits he gets.

We have a tremendous record against Arsenal in recent years. And yeah, you could be, but even if you were 5 points ahead right now, I still wouldn't make you favourites - there's still a long way to go, and United and City both have much more experienced players and deeper squads.

And yeah, he's like Ferguson, he's not as good, but it's similar how they are both good managers but not particularly good at tactics (witness Ferguson's masterplan at Wembley).

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

easley91 wrote:

You're both on the same points, so if that was to stay the same by the time of our game with City, and bearing in mind you play at Arsenal at the same weekend, then we could be 1 point behind you as well. It's unlikely we'll win up at City, but who knows, we may nick a point.

So, you're saying he's like Fergie, and look at all the plaudits he gets.

We have a tremendous record against Arsenal in recent years. And yeah, you could be, but even if you were 5 points ahead right now, I still wouldn't make you favourites - there's still a long way to go, and United and City both have much more experienced players and deeper squads.

And yeah, he's like Ferguson, he's not as good, but it's similar how they are both good managers but not particularly good at tactics (witness Ferguson's masterplan at Wembley).

Nobody said we were favorites, just we potentially are in the title race and would be if we were 5 points ahead. I still wouldn't make us favorites myself if we were, but you couldn't deny that we were in the race could you? Would be stupid to say we weren't.

At the moment the title race is between 2 clubs for me, with 3 clubs on the periphery with slightly realistic, if very small chances of winning it. It's a matter of perception though, and for me, the Title race is only between those teams who have a serious chance of winning it.

They could win it, doubt it though. The two Manchester clubs will walk away with it sadly, can see them finishing 3rd though.

No i think the best spurs can finish is probably 3rd.

Seems unlikely. ManCity aren't likely to drop a lot of points, and ManUtd do not seem to want to give up. I would be very surprised indeed if Spurs could grab a title win. I think they can get there though, they certainly have a quality squad, and with a little more investment, and being able to keep Modric, they would easily have a squad capeable of challenging for the title.

Hopefully not.

I don't consider us genuine contenders to be honest. I can see us dropping a few more points here and there in the 2nd half and maybe being struck with injuries to important players at somepoint.

I think what we need to do to become contenders is keep Modric and Bale.
Sign Adebayor (if possible) if not replace him with someone just as good or better then him.
Get rid of Gomes and Pavluychenko - dead weight, but might be able to get something for them now.
Sign a good CB, King is always hurt and our other CBs are only decent imo.
Sign a GK for the future, Friedel is up there in age.

Yes they are very much in the race.
Depends on who they sign in January though;

No.

Contenders in the fact that they will be up there for most the season, but they have no chance of taking over both the Manchester clubs.

I hope Redknapp stays with them too. I really like watching Spurs, but I don't think they'll be the same without him. He's the right man in the right job.

NZG wrote:No.

Any chance of elaborating on that? Why do you not see them as contenders? What do they lack in your eyes?

COYS wrote:

NZG wrote:No.

Any chance of elaborating on that? Why do you not see them as contenders? What do they lack in your eyes?

my views are nothing new. Man city and man utd too good, Spurs lack experience and just not good enough. I think that 3rd place is pretty much yours as long as you don't screw up but the i can't see both city and utd fucking up.

so basically

city and utd too good for you.

It's going to be so odd seeing Tottenham above Arsenal at the end of the season.

No. And you're only as high as you are because Chelsea and Arsenal have been shit, along with Liverpool.

You lot are becoming the next Liverpool. Swear down, the last 3 years have been 'this is our year'.

The DM comparing bale to ronaldo....

Scott MacDougall wrote:No. And you're only as high as you are because Chelsea and Arsenal have been shit, along with Liverpool.

You lot are becoming the next Liverpool. Swear down, the last 3 years have been 'this is our year'.

The jealousy is oozing out of this post. Could make it a bit less obvious

COYS wrote:

Scott MacDougall wrote:No. And you're only as high as you are because Chelsea and Arsenal have been shit, along with Liverpool.

You lot are becoming the next Liverpool. Swear down, the last 3 years have been 'this is our year'.

The jealousy is oozing out of this post. Could make it a bit less obvious

What did i say that was wrong? Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool HAVE been shit this year, and for the last 3 years, your fans have been saying it's your year.

Have they?

Compared to Liverpool fans who have been saying it for the past 20 years?

No fans on here have been saying it's our year and most realistic Spurs fans you meet wont either.... And no it's not down to Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool () being shit. We've been quality in our own right. Went unbeaten in 11, won 6 on the bounce and are currently 3rd with a game in hand. So you can fuck off with trying to demean that with a utterly stupid statement like that.

You've had the easiest run of games too. Yet to play Man City away, Arsenal away, Chelsea away, Liverpool away.

Just had a quick look at your fixture results, yeah, you've had an easy run compared to most. Second half of the season will see you back where you belong.

Still above Liverpool.

This isn't about Liverpool, it's about whether you can win the League.