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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:49 am

    he took charge when messi matured.. simple as

    all he did was change their style to the possession high pressure game but that wouldnt work with 99% of the teams in the world. when messi doesnt play well barca doesnt
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:56 am

    I don't know though ViVa, maybe you're right, and Guardiola is just a mug who landed in the right place at the right time, whose tactics are shit. What does that say about Ferguson then, who lost the two biggest games of his career to such a fool?
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:57 am

    It says he was against better players... which he was. barca didnt change anything for the final, they dont have to. Messi showed up in both final so barca showed up

    you seem to be looking at those individual games alot. i am talking about overall,Guardiola has shown time and time again he is not very smart manager. he hasnt signed a single defender when every season they get huge injuries there. he only has 2 senior defenders, thats just stupid

    then when messi is out the team look clueless. today all they did was pass pass pass, messi wasnt on his day to breal down the opponents. there is no Plan B
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:06 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:It says he was against better players... which he was. barca didnt change anything for the final, they dont have to. Messi showed up in both final so barca showed up

    2009 United had the following players to pick from, excluding unfit players

    van der Sar, Foster

    O'Shea, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Evans

    Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Anderson, Park, Nani

    Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov


    Guardiola picked this line-up

    Valdes,

    Sylvinho, Pique, Toure, Puyol

    Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta

    Eto'o, Messi, Henry


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    I don't see a massive gap in quality between those two sets of players. United had the best individual players in the world in many positions, the FIFA WPotY and Ballon d'Or holder, and world class players in other positions, much like Barcelona. There was no great gulf there on paper, but the management that night was so poor that there was a great fucking gulf on grass.
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:12 am

    gulf in class?? i wouldnt say that at all. first 15 mins it was all us then they score a scrappy goal (bad defending) then they just kept possession whole game... they didnt create much we didnt create much then they scored from a counter attack near the end

    they had 12 shots, we had 11
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    Post by Danny Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:13 am

    Even looking at that midfield is depressing.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:18 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:gulf in class?? i wouldnt say that at all. first 15 mins it was all us then they score a scrappy goal (bad defending) then they just kept possession whole game... they didnt create much we didnt create much then they scored from a counter attack near the end

    they had 12 shots, we had 11

    Not true, in the second half we had more possession than them.
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:19 am

    They had Sylvinho and Toure in defence and we lost facepalm
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    Post by Danny Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:19 am

    Puyol at Full back as well. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:25 am

    which made it worse for us, since alves is the worse defender. would have favoured ronaldo against alves alot more

    why the facepalm at Toure???? he is quality
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:26 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:which made it worse for us, since alves is the worse defender. would have favoured ronaldo against alves alot more

    why the facepalm at Toure???? he is quality
    Ronaldo was playing at centre forward you mong.
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:27 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:which made it worse for us, since alves is the worse defender. would have favoured ronaldo against alves alot more

    why the facepalm at Toure???? he is quality

    Because he and a young Pique kept a clean sheet against Rooney and Ronaldo.
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:34 am

    young pique? he was already estabilshed by then so dont know why you but the 'young' in there. you made it sound like it was his debut or something

    and Yaya had played there before, against chelsea actually and had done very well. which again boggles to mind as to why Pep shut him out and sold him

    also... rooney played wide you mong
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:37 am

    Pique is only 24, so 2/3 years ago he was 'young' and he kept a clean sheet against Rooney and Ronaldo.
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:40 am

    oh i didnt realize we played 11 v 1. and what does age matter? he was their first choice CB...

    man just look at your posts. so ignorant and immature, you post like a football novice
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:41 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:
    also... rooney played wide you mong

    ViVaRooney wrote:would have favoured ronaldo against alves alot more
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:43 am

    that was me taking a piss out of you, like it matters who played where. ronaldo/rooney, they swapped positions constantly... the matter of the fact is puyol is a better defender then alves
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    Post by Danny Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:44 am

    Is this the typical Dani Alves can't defend argument?
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:45 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:oh i didnt realize we played 11 v 1. and what does age matter? he was their first choice CB...

    man just look at your posts. so ignorant and immature, you post like a football novice

    It's called inexperience.
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:45 am

    if by typical you mean facts yeah

    but no i didnt say he cant defend, i said puyol is the better more experienced defender
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:47 am

    I Andy I wrote:
    ViVaRooney wrote:oh i didnt realize we played 11 v 1. and what does age matter? he was their first choice CB...

    man just look at your posts. so ignorant and immature, you post like a football novice

    It's called inexperience.

    ?? he had played there whole season. he also had a full season in la liga 2 seasons before where he did very well, then went back to man utd for a season then went to barca after that

    hardly lacking experience
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:48 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:
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    It's called inexperience.

    ?? he had played there whole season. he also had a full season in la liga 2 seasons before where he did very well, then went back to man utd for a season then went to barca after that

    hardly lacking experience

    CL experience.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:48 am

    Pique wasn't their first choice CB by the way, Marquez was, but he was injured, Abidal and Alves were suspended.
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    Post by Danny Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:50 am

    Pique played every single CL game that season Tbf.
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:14 am

    I Andy I wrote:
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    ?? he had played there whole season. he also had a full season in la liga 2 seasons before where he did very well, then went back to man utd for a season then went to barca after that

    hardly lacking experience

    CL experience.

    he had that whole season with barca and even played CL for us. remember him scoring vs Roma i think it was
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:19 am

    You would of expected Rooney and Ronaldo to score though.
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    Post by Danny Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:19 am

    And against Kiev.

    Think it was Kiev anyway. :face;
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:19 am

    Breast cancer.
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    Post by Andy Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:20 am

    kyro7 wrote:Breast cancer.
    Interesting.
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    Post by Demba Ba Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:25 am

    It's disappointing not to have won today, but these sort of frustrasting games come along every so often, It's how you respond to them that counts.

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