2011 U-20 World Cup

by dena Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:44 pm

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Re: 2011 U-20 World Cup

by dena Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:44 pm

Lux wrote:The u20's is probably the least important age group at international level.

By this time if you're not good enough for the u21's they just lump you into the u20's......

At least that's how England do it ...it's like a b/c team.

Whhhhhhhhhat.

U17 is definately the least important. So many "future superstars" shine at that level and go nowhere, look back on past U20 champions and they are led by stars. 2007 Argentina for instance (a tournament I went to, by the by cow

), Aguero, Banega, di Maria, Insua, Zarate etc.

by Lux Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:17 pm

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by Lux Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:17 pm

dena wrote:Whhhhhhhhhat.

U17 is definately the least important. So many "future superstars" shine at that level and go nowhere, look back on past U20 champions and they are led by stars. 2007 Argentina for instance (a tournament I went to, by the by ), Aguero, Banega, di Maria, Insua, Zarate etc.

Maybe for other teams...it's just never as far back as I can remember been even remotely important to England.

The age group isn't that significant in England probably down to the physicality and the progression you're expected to have made by that time.

by GCU Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:19 pm

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Re: 2011 U-20 World Cup

by GCU Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:19 pm

Lux wrote:

dena wrote:Whhhhhhhhhat.

U17 is definately the least important. So many "future superstars" shine at that level and go nowhere, look back on past U20 champions and they are led by stars. 2007 Argentina for instance (a tournament I went to, by the by ), Aguero, Banega, di Maria, Insua, Zarate etc.

Maybe for other teams...it's just never as far back as I can remember been even remotely important to England.

The age group isn't that significant in England probably down to the physicality and the progression you're expected to have made by that time.

what do you mean?

by dena Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:21 pm

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by dena Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:21 pm

It should be. Players who are 18-21 (since players age 21 can play in the U20s iirc) need that bridge to the NT. At least a few games at least, in pressure situations (qualifiers and tournaments) it's all the better. I'm sure going to that youth euro final a few years ago helped players like Jack Wilshere, it definitely helped Ozil and Khedria, who in the next year helped lead Germany.

by Lux Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:22 pm

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by Lux Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:22 pm

Almost every player good enough for the NT would be in the u21's.

If they were 18/19 and not ready they'd be in the u19's.

u20's is full of younger good players destined for Championship/maybe lower Premier League later on.

by GCU Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:26 pm

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by GCU Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:26 pm

dena wrote:It should be. Players who are 18-21 (since players age 21 can play in the U20s iirc) need that bridge to the NT. At least a few games at least, in pressure situations (qualifiers and tournaments) it's all the better. I'm sure going to that youth euro final a few years ago helped players like Jack Wilshere, it definitely helped Ozil and Khedria, who in the next year helped lead Germany.

no 21 year olds can play in the u20s

1991 and younger eligible only

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by Guest Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:36 pm

Lux wrote:Maybe for other teams...it's just never as far back as I can remember been even remotely important to England.

The age group isn't that significant in England probably down to the physicality and the progression you're expected to have made by that time.

And that is exactly the problem.

by MickStupp Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:42 am

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by MickStupp Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:42 am

I remember the EURO U-20 final in 2006 between Scotland and Spain.

Scotland had Lee Wallace, Steven Fletcher, Mark Reynolds, Graham Dorrans and Robert Snodgrass in the squad.
Spain had Javi Garcia, Esteban Granero, Diego Capel, Juan Manuel Mata, Javi Martinez and a certain someone called Gerard Pique.

Actually those squads were for the World Cup the following year, but they were very similar in 2006.

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by Pippo Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:45 am

I'm rooting for the champions of Oceania.

by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:02 am

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by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:02 am

Rei wrote:

Lux wrote:Maybe for other teams...it's just never as far back as I can remember been even remotely important to England.

The age group isn't that significant in England probably down to the physicality and the progression you're expected to have made by that time.

And that is exactly the problem.

Not really

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:06 am

If England doesn't care about it, it's not important obviously. I mean after years and years of footballing success for the England NT how can anyone think differently. 2011 U-20 World Cup - Page 2 225495

Anyhow, Mexico face Argentina again....no matter, Jorge Enriquez will boss the midfield and then Alex Ferguson will pull a Bebe and pay 12 million for him. 2011 U-20 World Cup - Page 2 225495

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:13 am

Lux wrote:The u20's is probably the least important age group at international level.

By this time if you're not good enough for the u21's they just lump you into the u20's......

At least that's how England do it ...it's like a b/c team.

by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:21 am

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by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:21 am

Dan wrote:

Lux wrote:The u20's is probably the least important age group at international level.

By this time if you're not good enough for the u21's they just lump you into the u20's......

At least that's how England do it ...it's like a b/c team.

Have you actually seen our u20 team?

Last tournament they all pulled out and a Watford defender who was on loan at Wealdstone (that shit non league club Beckford used to play for)......was called up.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:26 am

Lux wrote:

Dan wrote:

Lux wrote:The u20's is probably the least important age group at international level.

By this time if you're not good enough for the u21's they just lump you into the u20's......

At least that's how England do it ...it's like a b/c team.

Have you actually seen our u20 team?

Last tournament they all pulled out and a Watford defender who was on loan at Wealdstone (that shit non league club Beckford used to play for)......was called up.

Yes I have. But it's attitudes like that that's seeing us being left behind in terms of youth development.

'U20's is the least important age range'. They're all important. Just the people in charge are too fucking thick to realise that.

by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:28 am

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by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:28 am

Dan wrote:Yes I have. But it's attitudes like that that's seeing us being left behind in terms of youth development.

'U20's is the least important age range'. They're all important. Just the people in charge are too fucking thick to realise that.

My point was exactly that.

I should've been more specific....but generally England don't take it seriously.....sometimes not even u21's......

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:30 am

Although, in fairness, the timing of this is horrific.

by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:38 am

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by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:38 am

Dan wrote:Although, in fairness, the timing of this is horrific.

Which is ultimately one of the reasons why it doesn't get our support.

At the business end of the season most wouldn't want to give these players up.

For other countries it probably wouldn't be so important.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:47 am

The competition starts on July 21 Neutral

by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:48 am

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by Lux Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:48 am

Rei wrote:The competition starts on July 21

It's inconvenient, they need to get a tan shifty

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:49 am

Rei wrote:The competition starts on July 21

The same summer as the European Under-21 Championship and smack bang in the middle of pre-season. Awful timing in terms of the European countries.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:17 am

If England actually cares about having a good NT team for the future, they would invest more money and effort in youth teams, especially the U20/21.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:38 am

Dan wrote:

Rei wrote:The competition starts on July 21

The same summer as the European Under-21 Championship and smack bang in the middle of pre-season. Awful timing in terms of the European countries.

Yeah, I overlooked the U21'S, but the age range for that is less stringent than the U20's. Wasn't Milner 23 when he was playing in the last one? You should have enough good players to cover both competitions. The question is which competition players young enough for the U20's and good enough for the U21's go to.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:48 am

Cameroon unfairly win the penalty shootout against Egypt in the semifinal of the African Youth Championship...

Fucking linesman! Mad

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:25 am

The reason why the opinion of the U-20's in England is so low IMO is because simply England don't produce enough quality talent. Lux is right, anyone good enough for the NT would be playing for the U-21's.

Take another country like Spain for example though. Their U-21 is filled with quality players such as Canales, Camacho, Parejo, Ander, Dominguez, Botia, San Jose, De Gea etc. There simply aren't space in the U-21 team for Spains lesser quality talent coming through such as Vasquez, Bartra, Kiko, Muniain, Alex and others, so they are put on the U-20 team.

The U-20 is important as many of the players here will go on to be top players in La Liga and possibly the NT. In England however where there are much less youth coming through, the U-20 team is filled with much lesser quality of players in both talent and potential. Many of them as Lux says go on to become Lower EPL or Championship players.

by Ricardo Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:54 am

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by Ricardo Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:54 am

Nigeria have a good chance.

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:00 am

B0dunrin wrote:Nigeria have a good chance.

That's cause they field 24-28 year olds. Neutral

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:22 am

ahlycotc wrote:If England actually cares about having a good NT team for the future, they would invest more money and effort in youth teams, especially the U20/21.

We have a very good youth set up.

Just clubs nowdays would rather go abroad and look for the next 'Messi', then use the talent that is on this Island.

by GCU Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:26 am

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by GCU Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:26 am

man you cant compare spain and england, spain took a very competitive squad to the last u20 world cup talent wise and always take good squads, they respect the competition.

and even when germany cant take their best squad due to club commitments they still try to take a competittive squad

but england basically insulted the competition with the embarrassment they brought last time, they were by far the worst team in the competition. if the same happens this time whats the point of qualifying for the u20 world cup, they should be barred from

england at the end of the day care more about the u21 euro simply because its easier to win and they are allowed to play overage players, for them its a good substitute for the olympics

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by Guest Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:29 am

Mr Leiva wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:If England actually cares about having a good NT team for the future, they would invest more money and effort in youth teams, especially the U20/21.

We have a very good youth set up.

Just clubs nowdays would rather go abroad and look for the next 'Messi', then use the talent that is on this Island.

Depends what you mean by good.

IMO the coaching in England especially for youth players is rather poor and the problem, but obviously England has top facilities and infrastructure. Youth coaching in England is focused on the more athletic and physical aspects of the sport. The game at the top level requires more than just the physical and athletic parts of the game, thus it is not very surprising to see not many English players playing at the top level besides the few that possess more than just a physical presence, such as Wilshere, Cole, Rooney etc.

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by Ricardo Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:32 am

polska. wrote:

B0dunrin wrote:Nigeria have a good chance.

That's cause they field 24-28 year olds.

Just a stereotype in most cases

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