Capello getting the sack?

Lux wrote:

Danny wrote:No he wasn't.

Especially not on TV in fucking Italy.

If he was going to voice his disagreement, he should have told his employers (the FA). They shouldn't have to find out through the Italian media.

They have obviously already talked to Capello about it before the decision was already made, but they stripped Terry anyway.

He is the manager, and won't like to be undermined by the FA. If he doesn't agree then I think it's fair enough that he tells the public that. Shouldn't have to be associated with the decision of his employers if he doesn't agree with what they've done.

Yeah, obviously the FA told him they did it, they're not complete morons like Capello is.

He should tell them what he thinks of the decision directly.

Certainly shouldn't be telling the media so yet again there's something to undermine our build up to a major tournament.

Better yet, he should have had a pair and not given the captaincy back to him last year.

Danny wrote:Yeah, obviously the FA told him they did it, they're not complete morons like Capello is.

He should tell them what he thinks of the decision directly.

Certainly shouldn't be telling the media so yet again there's something to undermine our build up to a major tournament.

Better yet, he should have had a pair and not given the captaincy back to him last year.

.....I'm saying that they probably asked Capello for his opinion, he told them his opinion and they did it anyway.

They probably went as far as to say don't tell the public, but that's not a fair request.

There is something undermining us already before Capello said this, Terry being stripped. Does this undermine anyone any more? Not really....it might undermine the FA but nobody cares about them.

Undermined by the FA? He works for the fucking FA! They're not undermining him, he's undermining them by questioning their decisions publicly, his behaviour, in breach of his contract, is a disgrace.

The FA made the right choice anyway.

The England captain is in pretty much every interview, doing all loads of work on about say no to racism and all that the FA does.

How can Terry do that when he's standing charge for racism? "Say No To Racism", when he's probably a racist himself.

Danny wrote:The FA made the right choice anyway.

The England captain is in pretty much every interview, doing all loads of work on about say no to racism and all that the FA does.

How can Terry do that when he's standing charge for racism? "Say No To Racism", when he's probably a racist himself.

I'd dispute that completely, even if he is found guilty.

Capello proving to become more and more unpopular in the halls of power.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/07/fabio-capello-fa-sir-alex-ferguson

Lux wrote:

.....I'm saying that they probably asked Capello for his opinion, he told them his opinion and they did it anyway.

They probably went as far as to say don't tell the public, but that's not a fair request.

There is something undermining us already before Capello said this, Terry being stripped. Does this undermine anyone any more? Not really....it might undermine the FA but nobody cares about them.

1. Of course they did. It's their right. Capello was told tat the situation couldn't continue and they did what they had to do.

2. Probably not, if they did he would be sacked by now. It's quite self-evident that you do not share confidential discussions with the public though. If he was truly outraged and upset he would have left. He's playing a power game, nothing more.

3. What on earth are you on about?

Laurencio wrote:1. Of course they did. It's their right. Capello was told tat the situation couldn't continue and they did what they had to do.

Capello is the manager, it's fair for him to want to make the decisions about his team. Do the FA take any blame if England fail? No...Capello does.

Laurencio wrote:
2. Probably not, if they did he would be sacked by now. It's quite self-evident that you do not share confidential discussions with the public though. If he was truly outraged and upset he would have left. He's playing a power game, nothing more.

They couldn't sack Capello now, that would make it even worse. Capello did not share any confidential discussions, he simply gave his opinion. Why would he want to leave...let's face it. Even if he's upset, he has a chance to win a major trophy and write history, plus he's still getting paid lots....he'd be giving up millions if he quit. Does he have to quit to be upset? No.....so he simply gave his opinion. If the FA were truly upset then they would sack Terry from the team completely, no? Power games.....politics....you can't paint Capello as the villain against the FA when you consider what they do.

Laurencio wrote:
3. What on earth are you on about?

Terry being stripped off his captaincy can undermine the team. You surely can't argue that him being captain causes mayhem but him being stripped makes it all better? So the England team as a whole and the relations between some players/clubs with the FA/each other is undermined...and Capello's reputation is undermined too. It's not his responsibility to pretend that he wanted Terry stripped of the captaincy, something which people would assume if he didn't say anything as he's the manager.

Terry being stripped >>>>>>>>>>>>> Capello giving his opinion - in terms of undermining.

I think the problem with Capello airing his views, was that he aired it in Italy and not here. Probably because he knew we'd make such a big deal out of it.

easley91 wrote:I think the problem with Capello airing his views, was that he aired it in Italy and not here. Probably because he knew we'd make such a big deal out of it.

I dunno for sure, but maybe it's because they actually asked him.

English newspapers were probably too busy slagging Terry off.

Lux wrote:

easley91 wrote:I think the problem with Capello airing his views, was that he aired it in Italy and not here. Probably because he knew we'd make such a big deal out of it.

I dunno for sure, but maybe it's because they actually asked him.

English newspapers were probably too busy slagging Terry off.

Think about it though. If you were the FA and you saw Capello airing his opinions out in public like that, you wouldn't like it would you? I'd rather he kept it a private matter, especially at this time before a tournament.

easley91 wrote:Think about it though. If you were the FA and you saw Capello airing his opinions out in public like that, you wouldn't like it would you? I'd rather he kept it a private matter, especially at this time before a tournament.

Sure they wouldn't like it. I doubt Capello would like them stripping Terry of his captaincy too. I don't like that it's cold.

Who really cares what the FA think? Personally care more about the team about the manager.

Lux wrote:

Laurencio wrote:1. Of course they did. It's their right. Capello was told tat the situation couldn't continue and they did what they had to do.

Capello is the manager, it's fair for him to want to make the decisions about his team. Do the FA take any blame if England fail? No...Capello does.

Laurencio wrote:
2. Probably not, if they did he would be sacked by now. It's quite self-evident that you do not share confidential discussions with the public though. If he was truly outraged and upset he would have left. He's playing a power game, nothing more.

They couldn't sack Capello now, that would make it even worse. Capello did not share any confidential discussions, he simply gave his opinion. Why would he want to leave...let's face it. Even if he's upset, he has a chance to win a major trophy and write history, plus he's still getting paid lots....he'd be giving up millions if he quit. Does he have to quit to be upset? No.....so he simply gave his opinion. If the FA were truly upset then they would sack Terry from the team completely, no? Power games.....politics....you can't paint Capello as the villain against the FA when you consider what they do.

Laurencio wrote:
3. What on earth are you on about?

Terry being stripped off his captaincy can undermine the team. You surely can't argue that him being captain causes mayhem but him being stripped makes it all better? So the England team as a whole and the relations between some players/clubs with the FA/each other is undermined...and Capello's reputation is undermined too. It's not his responsibility to pretend that he wanted Terry stripped of the captaincy, something which people would assume if he didn't say anything as he's the manager.

Terry being stripped >>>>>>>>>>>>> Capello giving his opinion - in terms of undermining.

1.Capello's reputation as a manager is far too solid to be sullied by the exit of a bunch of notorious tournament bottlers.

2. Sure they could, wouldn't take much effort either. If the FA felt that Capello can not work with the FA, and that his methods will ruin the dynamics of the England squad, then they could fire him tomorrow. The sooner the better in that regard.

Yeah, he desperately wants to hang around and see a team in self-destruct mode that has been severly divided over the past six months bottle yet another tournament. Please, if he gets the sack he gets out and a pay day. If he was truly upset about the FA making this decision, if he truly felt that he no longer could work with them he would have quit the moment they told him. He is a man of principles, so if his principle was to keep terry as captain at all costs he would have left the second the FA denied that.

3. John Terry is not anywhere near a popular figure in England dressing room. Countless reports surfaced after the Bridge incident, and after the matches last fall about how the squad are quite split regarding John Terry, with a large group not at all happy about him being captain. In fact Capello recieved protests from several players about him captaining England during the matches last fall due to the accusations he was facing.

How can you say stripping him off the captaincy undermines the FA's position? That's nonsensical. If anything the FA have recieved an astounding ammount of support from clubs, players and other influential groups in football for their decision. The chairman, Bernstein, has been applauded for dealing with the matter in the most appropriate way possible. There's only been one voice of support for John Terry, and that's from Chelsea, other than that it's been quite or skewed towards support for the FA's decision.

Everyone knew Capello wasn't happy about being over-ruled on the captaincy issue. Everyone knew he liked John Terry as captain. However, everyone assumed that the man was intelligent enough and clever enough to leave the matter and concentrate on preparing for the tournament this summer. All he has done is tell the squad that whomever the new captain is, has no authority in his mind and alienated everyone who see Rio Ferdinand as an influential member of the squad (According to reports he and Gerrard are the two most influential and respected players in the England team). He's effectively created a divide in the squad that he can not fix. Those who support Terry and those who don't. Those who don't won't have any respect for the manager, as his unconditional support for Terry and his captaincy must have alienated them, and those that do won't have any respect for the new captain, as Capello himself has stated that he won't even consider the new captain a "real" captain.

Fantastic work mr Capello, truly fantastic.

Apparently Capello has resigned.

Capello = GONE.

Well that was unexpected.

Well done Capello. Sticking up for yourself and your principles.


Well done FA. Now the England team truly is messed up.

Lux wrote:Well done Capello. Sticking up for yourself and your principles.


Well done FA. Now the England team truly is messed up.

Private meeting called by Bernstein, going on for an hour, and ending with Capello giving his resignation. He was sacked.

Capello gone?!

Lux wrote:Well done Capello. Sticking up for yourself and your principles.


Well done FA. Now the England team truly is messed up.

I hope you get sacked from your job when you slag off your boss

Laurencio wrote:1.Capello's reputation as a manager is far too solid to be sullied by the exit of a bunch of notorious tournament bottlers.

He obviously has self respect and principles. He is the manager, he can't be 2nd fiddle to a bunch of boardroom politicians who know nothing about football.

Laurencio wrote:Yeah, he desperately wants to hang around and see a team in self-destruct mode that has been severly divided over the past six months bottle yet another tournament. Please, if he gets the sack he gets out and a pay day. If he was truly upset about the FA making this decision, if he truly felt that he no longer could work with them he would have quit the moment they told him. He is a man of principles, so if his principle was to keep terry as captain at all costs he would have left the second the FA denied that.

Well he has quit now . Self destruct mode though? Severely divided? I guess you asked them yourself did you? Probably no rift at all, as is usually the case when the media report that there is.

Laurencio wrote:
3. John Terry is not anywhere near a popular figure in England dressing room. Countless reports surfaced after the Bridge incident, and after the matches last fall about how the squad are quite split regarding John Terry, with a large group not at all happy about him being captain. In fact Capello recieved protests from several players about him captaining England during the matches last fall due to the accusations he was facing.

Lux wrote:I guess you asked them yourself did you? Probably no rift at all, as is usually the case when the media report that there is.

Laurencio wrote:
How can you say stripping him off the captaincy undermines the FA's position? That's nonsensical. If anything the FA have recieved an astounding ammount of support from clubs, players and other influential groups in football for their decision. The chairman, Bernstein, has been applauded for dealing with the matter in the most appropriate way possible. There's only been one voice of support for John Terry, and that's from Chelsea, other than that it's been quite or skewed towards support for the FA's decision.

Everyone knew Capello wasn't happy about being over-ruled on the captaincy issue. Everyone knew he liked John Terry as captain. However, everyone assumed that the man was intelligent enough and clever enough to leave the matter and concentrate on preparing for the tournament this summer. All he has done is tell the squad that whomever the new captain is, has no authority in his mind and alienated everyone who see Rio Ferdinand as an influential member of the squad (According to reports he and Gerrard are the two most influential and respected players in the England team). He's effectively created a divide in the squad that he can not fix. Those who support Terry and those who don't. Those who don't won't have any respect for the manager, as his unconditional support for Terry and his captaincy must have alienated them, and those that do won't have any respect for the new captain, as Capello himself has stated that he won't even consider the new captain a "real" captain.

Fantastic work mr Capello, truly fantastic.

I have seen lots of groups and people disagreeing with the FA, not just Chelsea. In fact I've generally seen more people disagree. What you're saying there is totally self-opinionated.

Laurencio wrote:

Lux wrote:Well done Capello. Sticking up for yourself and your principles.


Well done FA. Now the England team truly is messed up.

Private meeting called by Bernstein, going on for an hour, and ending with Capello giving his resignation. He was sacked.

Nice assumption. Can you go a minute without assuming/presuming?

Fonseca wrote:I hope you get sacked from your job when you slag off your boss

If they undermine me and did something that went against my principles I would resign before they could.

Already done it in the past.

Employees have rights too you know

Lux wrote:

Laurencio wrote:1.Capello's reputation as a manager is far too solid to be sullied by the exit of a bunch of notorious tournament bottlers.

He obviously has self respect and principles. He is the manager, he can't be 2nd fiddle to a bunch of boardroom politicians who know nothing about football.

Laurencio wrote:Yeah, he desperately wants to hang around and see a team in self-destruct mode that has been severly divided over the past six months bottle yet another tournament. Please, if he gets the sack he gets out and a pay day. If he was truly upset about the FA making this decision, if he truly felt that he no longer could work with them he would have quit the moment they told him. He is a man of principles, so if his principle was to keep terry as captain at all costs he would have left the second the FA denied that.

Well he has quit now . Self destruct mode though? Severely divided?

Laurencio wrote:
3. John Terry is not anywhere near a popular figure in England dressing room. Countless reports surfaced after the Bridge incident, and after the matches last fall about how the squad are quite split regarding John Terry, with a large group not at all happy about him being captain. In fact Capello recieved protests from several players about him captaining England during the matches last fall due to the accusations he was facing.

Lux wrote:I guess you asked them yourself did you? Probably no rift at all, as is usually the case when the media report that there is.

Laurencio wrote:
How can you say stripping him off the captaincy undermines the FA's position? That's nonsensical. If anything the FA have recieved an astounding ammount of support from clubs, players and other influential groups in football for their decision. The chairman, Bernstein, has been applauded for dealing with the matter in the most appropriate way possible. There's only been one voice of support for John Terry, and that's from Chelsea, other than that it's been quite or skewed towards support for the FA's decision.

Everyone knew Capello wasn't happy about being over-ruled on the captaincy issue. Everyone knew he liked John Terry as captain. However, everyone assumed that the man was intelligent enough and clever enough to leave the matter and concentrate on preparing for the tournament this summer. All he has done is tell the squad that whomever the new captain is, has no authority in his mind and alienated everyone who see Rio Ferdinand as an influential member of the squad (According to reports he and Gerrard are the two most influential and respected players in the England team). He's effectively created a divide in the squad that he can not fix. Those who support Terry and those who don't. Those who don't won't have any respect for the manager, as his unconditional support for Terry and his captaincy must have alienated them, and those that do won't have any respect for the new captain, as Capello himself has stated that he won't even consider the new captain a "real" captain.

Fantastic work mr Capello, truly fantastic.

I have seen lots of groups and people disagreeing with the FA, not just Chelsea. In fact I've generally seen more people disagree. What you're saying there is totally self-opinionated.

Laurencio wrote:

Private meeting called by Bernstein, going on for an hour, and ending with Capello giving his resignation. He was sacked.

Nice assumption. Can you go a minute without assuming/presuming?

Fonseca wrote:I hope you get sacked from your job when you slag off your boss

If they undermine me and did something that went against my principles I would resign before they could.

Already done it in the past.

Employees have rights too you know

The people I've talked to, the reports I have seen, heard and read. Mostly show support to the FA's decision on the captaincy issue.

Danny wrote:The FA made the right choice anyway.

The England captain is in pretty much every interview, doing all loads of work on about say no to racism and all that the FA does.

How can Terry do that when he's standing charge for racism? "Say No To Racism", when he's probably a racist himself.

Sorry Danny, but thats absolute bollocks

Terry hasnt been proven to be anything, it could for all we know it could be a genuine mistake, How can you punish someone for being "probably a racist", what does that even mean?

Sean wrote:

Danny wrote:The FA made the right choice anyway.

The England captain is in pretty much every interview, doing all loads of work on about say no to racism and all that the FA does.

How can Terry do that when he's standing charge for racism? "Say No To Racism", when he's probably a racist himself.

Sorry Danny, but thats absolute bollocks

Terry hasnt been proven to be anything, it could for all we know it could be a genuine mistake, How can you punish someone for being "probably a racist", what does that even mean?

How would it look to people that someone standing trial for racism is involved with attempting to stamp it out of the game?

Not great imo.

Danny wrote:

Sean wrote:

Sorry Danny, but thats absolute bollocks

Terry hasnt been proven to be anything, it could for all we know it could be a genuine mistake, How can you punish someone for being "probably a racist", what does that even mean?

How would it look to people that someone standing trial for racism is involved with attempting to stamp it out of the game?

Not great imo.

Innocent until proven guilty, just because your charged with something should not mean your treated as though you've been convicted.

I charge everyone with racism. Let's sack everyone. "Innocent"? Oh well.

Geez.....I bet everyone has cracked or laughed at a racist joke at some point.....or just said something which could be considered racist. Let's sack everyone for saying something, because obviously saying black means you are a racist and have hatred for other races.

Lux wrote:I charge everyone with racism. Let's sack everyone. "Innocent"? Oh well.

Geez.....I bet everyone has cracked or laughed at a racist joke at some point.....or just said something which could be considered racist. Let's sack everyone for saying something, because obviously saying black means you are a racist and have hatred for other races.

No one has been sacked for racism. Terry was stripped of the captaincy because he was involved in a sensetive criminal case, yet allowed to play. This despite the fact that FA precendent would dictate that players invovled in crimainal charges would be unavailable for selection (Woodgate).

Laurencio wrote:

Lux wrote:I charge everyone with racism. Let's sack everyone. "Innocent"? Oh well.

Geez.....I bet everyone has cracked or laughed at a racist joke at some point.....or just said something which could be considered racist. Let's sack everyone for saying something, because obviously saying black means you are a racist and have hatred for other races.

No one has been sacked for racism. Terry was stripped of the captaincy because he was involved in a sensetive criminal case, yet allowed to play. This despite the fact that FA precendent would dictate that players invovled in crimainal charges would be unavailable for selection (Woodgate).

What about Gerrard?

Sean wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

No one has been sacked for racism. Terry was stripped of the captaincy because he was involved in a sensetive criminal case, yet allowed to play. This despite the fact that FA precendent would dictate that players invovled in crimainal charges would be unavailable for selection (Woodgate).

What about Gerrard?

Not guilty.

Aren't you leaving yet?

Benitez wrote:

Sean wrote:

What about Gerrard?

Not guilty.

Aren't you leaving yet?

He was involved in criminal charges, but Im pretty sure he wasnt unavailable for selection.

Sean wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

No one has been sacked for racism. Terry was stripped of the captaincy because he was involved in a sensetive criminal case, yet allowed to play. This despite the fact that FA precendent would dictate that players invovled in crimainal charges would be unavailable for selection (Woodgate).

What about Gerrard?

He was never captain during the trial now was he?