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    The quality and attraction of Celtic

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    Post by Sean Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:48 am

    ayvee1 wrote:The quality of team and status of club is the worst it's been for Celtic for a very, very long time IMO.

    I agree, not even just MON's side but Id rate Strachan's team far above this, the only period we were worse was under Mowbray in relevantly recent times.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:49 am

    I feel scots terribly overrate the players playing for the Old Firm...
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:49 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    James wrote:Their team would not survive in the Premiership. They have a bunch of lower Championship players apparently, and we all know no one is guaranteed to go up or stay up in that league.

    If they invested heavily then I see no reason why they couldn't stay up. It's not like Celtic can't afford to invest £20-25M to stay up. Their turnover is £62M after all.

    Obviously. But we are talking about current teams. There are plenty of other clubs that could spend more, but don't.
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:51 am

    James wrote:
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    If they invested heavily then I see no reason why they couldn't stay up. It's not like Celtic can't afford to invest £20-25M to stay up. Their turnover is £62M after all.

    Obviously. But we are talking about current teams. There are plenty of other clubs that could spend more, but don't.

    I'd agree with that. I don't think the current team has the quality to stay up. Might get lucky enough to have a team implode like Pompey did, be in a league with a team as weak as Derby was, and "just" make it though. Without investment they would need a hell of a lot of luck.


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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:51 am

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    Hooper scored more than Andy Carroll when he was in the Championship in 09/10. And played less games. Surely the fact that he scored so many goals in a bad team is a sign of quality. Ledley was not for sale at all, he was considered their best player and Roma and Stoke tried to sign him. Commons was top scorer when we bought him in January.

    How many League 1 teams could draw twice over two legs with the team top of Serie A? I don't get how a League 1 team would have the means to sign all these top Championship players who premiership clubs are interested in. Southampton, top of the Champinship, have a player proven not good enough for us starting every week!

    First of all, have you heard of Darren Bent? This man scores shit loads of goals but have you noticed every team he has played in has done shit? Hooper is Bents shitter cousin.

    Celtic use their past glory to buy these players, it isn't as if they are even buying good players. These are lower Championship talents and as has been proved in past seasons, League 1 players can cut it in the Championship.
    And all you seem to do is talk about players ability. Have you ever thought your manager is shit? And can't actually get the best out of players, hence the reason they flop. I've said plenty of times, any decent manager would take a team in the SPL (outside of Celtic and Rangers) and crack the top 2 if given a couple of seasons.

    Maybe if Celtic joined the English league and gave it a few years they'd improve and be on Southampton's level. But right now, Celtic and Rangers are on par with Sheffield United.

    Our manager is not shit and he does get the best out of players. You don't beat a Water Smith side 3-0 if you're a novice.

    Hooiveld is just not very good.

    So player ability does not matter then? To say that Southampton's level is the peak of our potential is insulting. We are already a considerably better team than them. Sheffield United? Very Happy

    All of our rejects are on loan in the Championship: Murphy, Hooiveld, O'Dea, Thompson. But we are League 1 standard. Laughing
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:53 am

    Oh, and if you'd watched Hooper play James you'd know that he has far more to his game than goals.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:54 am

    You're not 'considerably better' than Southampton....
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    Post by ayvee1 Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:55 am

    Lu❣s Suarez wrote:I feel scots terribly overrate the players playing for the Old Firm...
    I think it's just OF fans that like to exaggerate their players. I have no illusions of Old Firm grandeur right now.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:56 am

    Lennon is a shit manager, no one with half a brain will argue that. Also, I didn't say ability doesn't matter... Just that under shit managers, players obviously look a lot worse. I can see you are a typical Brit with his "get in there, take his legs, get that ball up the pitch, get it in the box" which is fine, our opinions differ on how much of an influence a manager has... But you're wrong anyway, about every little thing you've mentioned.


    Please don't bring you mates over here to cry about the truth, stick to your own forum for that.

    Yours truly,

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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:59 am

    James wrote:Lennon is a shit manager, no one with half a brain will argue that. Also, I didn't play ability doesn't matter... Just that under shit managers, players obviously look a lot worse. I can see you are a typical Brit with his "get in there, take his legs, get that ball up the pitch, get it in the box" which is fine, our opinions differ on how much of an influence a manager has... But you're wrong anyway, about every little thing you've mentioned.


    Please don't bring you mates over here to cry about the truth, stick to your own forum for that.

    Yours truly,

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    OK, bye. eek
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:00 am

    James, be nice Laughing
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:03 am

    James is throwing a hissy fit because he can't think of anything to come back with. Well done OP on a great post, that's been acknowledged. James crying like a little girl again. rofl
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:05 am

    ayvee1 wrote:
    Lu❣s Suarez wrote:I feel scots terribly overrate the players playing for the Old Firm...
    I think it's just OF fans that like to exaggerate their players. I have no illusions of Old Firm grandeur right now.
    Probably more likely.

    It is funny when you realize how poor the SPL has become. Next year their coefficiency will drop down by over 10 points. Championship level my ass.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:06 am

    I'm not crying, I just made the points I needed to make. Unlike you, I don't need to sit here for hours arguing with the majority in order to try and make myself think i'm right. I already know i'm right.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:08 am

    Lu❣s Suarez wrote:
    ayvee1 wrote:I think it's just OF fans that like to exaggerate their players. I have no illusions of Old Firm grandeur right now.
    Probably more likely.

    It is funny when you realize how poor the SPL has become. Next year their coefficiency will drop down by over 10 points. Championship level my ass.

    Next season the coefficient is better than this season. Two Champions League places.
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:11 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
    Lu❣s Suarez wrote:Probably more likely.

    It is funny when you realize how poor the SPL has become. Next year their coefficiency will drop down by over 10 points. Championship level my ass.

    Next season the coefficient is better than this season. Two Champions League places.

    Whut. Why?
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:12 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    Next season the coefficient is better than this season. Two Champions League places.

    Whut. Why?

    Rangers did well in Europe last year. They're not automatic though.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:15 am

    Nope.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefa_coefficient#Current_ranking

    Next season the results of 07-08 will be erased from history and Scotland will go flying down in the twenty's.

    Though I guess the effects won't be felt for the season afterwords, but still.
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:19 am

    ConorCelticFC wrote:
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    Whut. Why?

    Rangers did well in Europe last year. They're not automatic though.

    So let me get this straight. Your league, one that is on the verge of total and utter riddicule due to the fact that it's basically a cup competition with two teams. A league system that is considered possibly the worst balanced league system in the world. Is now going to have that gap between the two biggest clubs and the rest increased by giving them both champions league money each year.

    Wonderful. Not that it's the SPL's fault, but that right there might just doom the league.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:21 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    Rangers did well in Europe last year. They're not automatic though.

    So let me get this straight. Your league, one that is on the verge of total and utter riddicule due to the fact that it's basically a cup competition with two teams. A league system that is considered possibly the worst balanced league system in the world. Is now going to have that gap between the two biggest clubs and the rest increased by giving them both champions league money each year.

    Wonderful. Not that it's the SPL's fault, but that right there might just doom the league.

    I suppose, but as Suarez said the year after the coefficient will drop again.


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    Post by ayvee1 Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:22 am

    It's been doomed for a while. Some very worrying times ahead for the SPL.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:22 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    Rangers did well in Europe last year. They're not automatic though.

    So let me get this straight. Your league, one that is on the verge of total and utter riddicule due to the fact that it's basically a cup competition with two teams. A league system that is considered possibly the worst balanced league system in the world. Is now going to have that gap between the two biggest clubs and the rest increased by giving them both champions league money each year.

    Wonderful. Not that it's the SPL's fault, but that right there might just doom the league.
    That's not happening though. Scotland are already dropping from 18th to 20th at the end of the season because all their teams are out and Poland (Smile) will surpass them. Then afterwords their results from 07/08 will be deleted and they will drop far down into the late twenties.

    Also, didn't they always have two champions league spots? scratch I thought that next season will be their first in a bit where they have only 1.
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    Post by ConorCelticFC Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:23 am

    Lu❣️s Suarez wrote:
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    So let me get this straight. Your league, one that is on the verge of total and utter riddicule due to the fact that it's basically a cup competition with two teams. A league system that is considered possibly the worst balanced league system in the world. Is now going to have that gap between the two biggest clubs and the rest increased by giving them both champions league money each year.

    Wonderful. Not that it's the SPL's fault, but that right there might just doom the league.
    That's not happening though. Scotland are already dropping from 18th to 20th at the end of the season because all their teams are out and Poland (Smile) will surpass them. Then afterwords their results from 07/08 will be deleted and they will drop far down into the late twenties.

    Also, didn't they always have two champions league spots? scratch I thought that next season will be their first in a bit where they have only 1.

    No, not at all. We didn't this season for instance.
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:24 am

    Lu❣️s Suarez wrote:
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    So let me get this straight. Your league, one that is on the verge of total and utter riddicule due to the fact that it's basically a cup competition with two teams. A league system that is considered possibly the worst balanced league system in the world. Is now going to have that gap between the two biggest clubs and the rest increased by giving them both champions league money each year.

    Wonderful. Not that it's the SPL's fault, but that right there might just doom the league.
    That's not happening though. Scotland are already dropping from 18th to 20th at the end of the season because all their teams are out and Poland (Smile) will surpass them. Then afterwords their results from 07/08 will be deleted and they will drop far down into the late twenties.

    Also, didn't they always have two champions league spots? scratch I thought that next season will be their first in a bit where they have only 1.

    I see.. well they need to sort something out, quickly. Any attempts to change the league setup have unfortunately been vetoed by Rangers and Celtic. Don't even realise that if they want to progress as a club and become what they once were they need to let the changes happen. Stupid people in charge of that league, that's for sure.
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    Post by MickStupp Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:25 am

    Lu❣s Suarez wrote:
    ayvee1 wrote:I think it's just OF fans that like to exaggerate their players. I have no illusions of Old Firm grandeur right now.
    Probably more likely.

    It is funny when you realize how poor the SPL has become. Next year their coefficiency will drop down by over 10 points. Championship level my ass.
    It is getting poorer, even in ten years the standard has declined rapidly but the Old firm are probably Championship level, the rest would be a lot lower. I agree with what Sean said:

    Sean wrote:I think for a good lot of years we would be a yo-yo club between Championship and PL. The money from reaching the Premier League would do wonders for us though.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:25 am

    James wrote:Lennon is a shit manager, no one with half a brain will argue that. Also, I didn't say ability doesn't matter... Just that under shit managers, players obviously look a lot worse. I can see you are a typical Brit with his "get in there, take his legs, get that ball up the pitch, get it in the box" which is fine, our opinions differ on how much of an influence a manager has... But you're wrong anyway, about every little thing you've mentioned.


    Please don't bring you mates over here to cry about the truth, stick to your own forum for that.

    Yours truly,

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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:28 am

    Mick I'm surprised you'd say the Old Firm are Championship level, the opening post was a good comparison between Celtic and Southampton. Celtic and Rangers both have a better team than the Championship leaders. And Rangers performance in Europe last season under Walter Smith was impressive.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:30 am

    http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117612

    Found it.
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:31 am

    ahlycotc wrote:http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117612

    Found it.

    Laughing

    How long did you spend looking for that Razz
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:31 am

    Ahly you're about two days late

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