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    Post by Weather130 Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:30 pm

    VivaRonaldo wrote:Anyone know much about who Madrid are playing this weekend?

    I assume you are taking about Real Madrid but just incase you were interesting in Atlético Madrid I shall list both. Both games are on Saturday back to back So this weekend brings the following;

    Real Madrid v Rayo Vallecano
    Barcelona v Atlético Madrid
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    Post by SBSP Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:04 pm

    Real will win this 6-0.

    EDIT: Yes, I do mean Madrid. Neutral
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:05 am

    Valencia play Sevilla on Saturday. No Miguel or Pablo in the squad along with Alba who is suspended. Barragán, Ricardo Costa, Parejo and Feghouli join the squad.

    Diego trained fully today and will be available to Manzano for their trip to Barcelona.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:08 am

    Parejo hasn't even started for Valencia in the league yet has he? scratch
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:12 am

    He started away to Genk. Also Albelda expected to miss Sevilla on Saturday and potentially the Champions League game against Chelsea next week.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:14 am

    I said in the league. Mad

    Tough game for Valencia but I'm backing them to win, even though it's away.

    Athletic vs Villarreal, battle of the slow starters. I want to watch both games. Dry Smile
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:20 am

    Oh yes you did. Neutral

    Oh are you, thanks for that insight Jamie. thumb



    But yes should be another tough game especially after a physically and mentally tough challenge on Wednesday, just going to be without both Topal and Albelda which will be a blow for them. Still, Rami and Ruíz will still be in there. smug

    Going to City - Everton at 12:45 then yesterday I remembered Liverpool kick-off at 3 so either going to have to drive fast (within the law of course and by plane) or sell it tonight, it feels strange all of these 3 o'clock kick-offs I practically forgot they existed. rofl

    Villarreal will take it. They should build on from the Mallorca win unless Bielsa gets it right tactically but he seems quite stubborn at the moment.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:27 am

    Oh, bitch-mode is on today.

    You have a ticket for the Liverpool game I assume then?

    Bielsa stories on Revista are pretty strange Laughing Dunno if they are true.
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:31 am

    You better believe it. shifty

    Yeah, then yesterday it just clicked that they kick-off at 3. facepalm

    They have been awful. Too many players out of position and they are certainly not getting the best out of Martínez and Llorente.

    Villarreal still have their problems though, wasn't fully convinced at all against Mallorca, were sloppy in midfield and switched off a number of times.
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    Post by Dr. Ján Ĩtor Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:52 am

    Jamie wrote:Oh, bitch-mode is on today.

    You have a ticket for the Liverpool game I assume then?

    Bielsa stories on Revista are pretty strange Laughing Dunno if they are true.

    last time I watched revista they were saying he was walking with a youth player up the road when a car crashed in front of them and biesla started yelling at the kid for not paying attention to what he was saying rofl
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:17 am

    Part of Sid Lowe's piece for The Guardian this week was on Valencia:

    A few hours before, Real Madrid had drawn a desperately dull match in Santander 0-0 against Racing; now Valencia had drawn 2-2 with Barcelona in a fantastic, frenetic and fascinating game. After the opening weekend, it had appeared all over already: Madrid had won 6-0 and Barcelona 5-0. A revolution was launched and immediately crushed. Now, four weeks into the season, La Liga has a very different look. Madrid have dropped five of the last six points, Barcelona four of the last nine. Never mind the top two, they're not even in the top three. On Thursday morning Real Madrid sit in seventh and Barcelona are fourth. Above them, Real Betis – who will go top if they get a point against Real Zaragoza – and Málaga. And above them, sitting unbeaten, Valencia. So much for a two-team league.

    Now, a little advice from Harvey Keitel wouldn't go amiss. At this stage last season, Barcelona were also fourth; two weeks later, Valencia were top and Real Madrid third. And the league finished the way it finished. But you could understand the enthusiasm. Valencia, after all, have done it again. This summer Juan Mata departed. Economic and footballing reality bites. Like Sergio Agüero, his departure underlined that the best players at Spain's other clubs have one of two choices: sign for Madrid or Barcelona or leave the country. It also followed a trend; Mata followed David Silva and David Villa out of Mestalla. Raúl Albiol and Carlos Marchena had gone too: none of Valencia's World Cup winners are left.

    Yet by the time next summer's European Championship comes round, Valencia may once again have players in the Spain squad. Roberto Soldado has scored 17 in his last 13 games, giving him the best goals-per-game ratio of any Spanish striker in 2011, and both Jordi Alba and Sergio Canales could get opportunities. Nor are they alone. Valencia have again sold their best player for a huge profit – they have made €120m (£105m) on Silva, Villa, Albiol and Mata alone – and reinvested the money wisely, while also continuing to service their debt. They will certainly miss Mata, just as they missed Villa and Silva but they have once again rebuilt intelligently.

    In total, 14 players left this summer, but eight came in. The average age dropped from 28 to 24 – the departure of the 40-year-old goalkeeper César Sánchez helped – and the overall impression is of a squad that has got stronger. The centre-backs Edil Rami and Víctor Ruiz in particular have given them the solidity that they lacked, complementing each other well and proving to be a hugely effective partnership, and they have been joined by Canales, Diego Alves and Dani Parejo. Meanwhile, Ever Banega, Tino Costa and Mehmet Topal are still around. Even Miguel has stayed – and he is promising to be good too.

    Just as importantly, the manager, Unai Emery, is still around. That alone is a miracle. Every year, Valencia debate whether or not to renew Emery's contract and every year they do. There always seem to be doubts – occasionally Emery fuels them with defensive changes that do not please supporters or directors – and this summer he took a pay cut to continue. Yet this is his fourth season at Mestalla and only two coaches have ever lasted as long. Every year he has to rebuild his side. Every year, he succeeds too.

    So now Valencia sit top. But it is not just that they are top that has fuelled the optimism, it is how they got there and how they stayed there: beating Atlético Madrid, Sporting and Racing and now this.

    Last season Valencia were top until they faced Barcelona. Unluckily beaten 2-1 at the Camp Nou, they lost the leadership of the league and never got it back. But this was different. On the night that Rafa Benítez returned to Mestalla for the first time since 2004, there was something redolent about this performance. Benítez won Valencia's first league in 31 years; there was a feeling that emulating that might not be so impossible after all. Before the game, Emery insisted: "If Barcelona play to their best the only choice you have is how you die." Instead, it was Barcelona feeling thankful to have survived. The Valencia newspaper Super Deporte led on: "That's the way we like it." Inside, the headline ran: "A magnificent Valencia make Barcelona suffer."

    They certainly did: even the Catalan media were cheering the draw. Unlike Madrid's 0-0 in Santander, 2-2 at Mestalla was, said the cover of El Mundo Deportivo, "a puntazo" – a hell of a point. In fact, according to Sport, it was "más que un punto". Not strictly true of course – Barcelona's lead over Madrid is just one point when it could have been a three-point lead that would look hugely significant even as early as this – but there was a certain logic to the argument.

    Before every game, Emery gathers his players in a small, white room equipped with rows of chairs like a tiny cinema. There, with the help of a whiteboard, a marker and an old sock to wipe away his workings, he talks them through what they have to do – reinforcing the work done in training during the week, leaping to the board to scribble arrows and circles. Before they leave, he hands each one of them their "homework": a USB pen-drive containing individual instructions, details of what he expects from them and what they can expect from the opposition – the right-back is told about their left-winger, the centre-forward about their centre-back. The man who took Almería to a miraculous eighth place in 2008, an obsessive tactician who can be found at grounds all over the country furiously scribbling on scraps of paper, Emery pores over every detail trying to get his tactics right.

    On Wednesday night, he did. Guardiola on the other hand didn't. Before the match, Guardiola had insisted that playing with three at the back was "risky"; he had so much respect for Valencia, he said, that never mind four, last year he played with five. But when it came to it, he opted for a back three in a 3-3-1-3 formation with Javier Mascherano as a kind of narrow right-back and Dani Alves as a right-winger miles away up at the other end of the pitch. "What a game Mascherano had," Guardiola said afterwards, forgetting to include the word "terrible". Exposed, out of position and alone, the Argentinian could not cope. Emery pushed Jérémy Mathieu up on the left-hand side – and it was from there that both of Valencia's goals came as they took a 1-0 lead through an Abidal own goal and a 2-1 lead through Pablo Hernández (even if the ref's report gave it to Miguel, who was miles away). It was from there too that the chance was created for Soldado's extraordinary miss. At half-time Guardiola moved Alves back to full-back; he had taken his time.

    Emery pushed his side high, played with speed and intensity and sought to rob the ball, giving Barcelona "as little possession as possible". Midway through the second half the statistics read: Barcelona 53%, Valencia 47% – startlingly low for a Barcelona team which averages closer to 65%. Xavi rarely settled, Sergio Busquets was hurried and Seydou Keïta was irrelevant. Banega in particular was hugely impressive. "They took the ball off us and we really suffer when that happens," Puyol said afterwards, "it was a great game with two great teams." "Having less possession than normal meant that we had to work harder and that led to far greater defensive tiredness," Guardiola admitted. "Valencia were wonderful; Mathieu and Alba always caused us problems."

    For Valencia there was just one issue: Barcelona have Cesc Fábregas and, above all, they have Leo Messi. He provided a superb assist for Pedro to get the first equaliser, got bundled over for a penalty that was ignored, and then provided another assist for Cesc to score his fifth in five games. With Barcelona finally finding their rhythm and with Alba sent off in the 92nd minute, Valencia were forced to hang on for the 2-2 draw. "I am," Emery said, saying it all, "half-satisfied." He still has not defeated Barcelona but few have so come close so often; and few have impressed like Valencia did, clinching a draw that La Liga need almost as much as they did in the aftermath of Mata's departure. As Guardiola put it: "This result may reconcile people with the league."

    Back in the spring of last year, Emery was explaining his approach. Leaping to his feet, a marker in his hand, he drew a cross on the whiteboard. "If you have Messi here, he dribbles past five and scores," he said, frantically adding more crosses and circles and arrows. "Great. But if you don't have Messi, or some other amazing player, you have to look at the move again. Messi starts here, and the ball ends up in the net. So, let's start there and try to end at the goal too. What's the aim? What's the best path? A one-two, a movement from this side, an overlap? There's no Messi so, this guy has to play inside, he returns it, he overlaps, he crosses … we might not have the one player who can complete that journey but with three we can do it."

    The enthusiasm defines Emery and the phrase defines Valencia. With each passing season, they have sold their best player, their quickest route to goal – Silva, Villa, Mata – but with each passing season they have brought in three more. With each passing season, Emery has been forced to find another route and every year that journey becomes harder, but he keeps on making it. For all the optimism, winning the league is almost certainly beyond Valencia but they have journeyed to the top of the table. And La Liga is a better place for it.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:27 am

    Read that earlier, forgot to post it.

    Don't have anything to add so another great contribution by me. Hurr Durr Derp Derp


    Sergio Ballesteros is in the wars again. He went down a bit dramatically as Levante beat Rayo, prompting a sending-off for Botelho. (Replays suggested that Botelho, who had a right old whinge after the game, did indeed go for Ballesteros, reaching out a hand.) "You can laugh if you want; in fact, we can all laugh together," said the Rayo coach, José Ramón Sandoval, not laughing very much. "This is the theatre."

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    Post by Weather130 Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:32 am

    The table here looks quite interesting and I guess La Liga really is nothing like a two team league as has been previously suggested. I wonder how long Real Betis can keep this current form going and stay at the top of the table??
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:36 am

    20 seconds, it was the only choice the ball had:



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    Post by Dean Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:04 am

    How come you're going the Everton game Aaron?
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:07 am

    Weather130 wrote:
    VivaRonaldo wrote:Anyone know much about who Madrid are playing this weekend?

    I assume you are taking about Real Madrid but just incase you were interesting in Atlético Madrid I shall list both. Both games are on Saturday back to back So this weekend brings the following;

    Real Madrid v Rayo Vallecano
    Barcelona v Atlético Madrid

    Well I asked if anyone knew much about who they were playing, so it was hardly Barca Laughing
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    Post by Weather130 Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:55 am

    Man this year so far has been crazy in La Liga. If I told you that right now Málaga would be above Barcelona in the table and Levante would be above Real Madrid I think you would asking what the hell I am smoking because it must be very strong.
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    Post by Mario Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:15 am

    Hoping we play like this for Rayo:

    Casillas
    Arbeloa - Varane - Ramos - Marcelo
    Xabi - Khedira
    Özil
    Higuaín - Benzema - Ronaldo

    Front 3/4 rotating
    Di María has been pissing me off so badly I hope he doesn't fucking play.



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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:08 am

    Real 0-1 Rayo
    Barca 5-0 Atletico
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    Post by Cadbury Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:09 am

    ahlycotc wrote:Real 0-1 Rayo
    Barca 5-0 Atletico

    No chance. Dominguez will keep Messi quiet.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:11 am

    Piquenbauer has got clearance to play tomorrow. cheers
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:15 am

    Jamie wrote:Piquenbauer has got clearance to play tomorrow. cheers

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    Post by RafaVDV Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:16 am

    El Pipita wrote:Hoping we play like this for Rayo:

    Casillas
    Arbeloa - Varane - Ramos - Marcelo
    Xabi - Ozil
    Kaka
    Di Maria
    - Benzema - Ronaldo

    Front 3/4 rotating
    Di María has been pissing me off so badly I hope he doesn't fucking play.





    Prefer to see that lineup, Higuain been dog in his 2 sub apps. Not sure about the defence but not really bothered Laughing
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    Post by Mario Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:21 am

    Fuck off with Di María ty, and defence no other option lol, Carvalho & Pepe are out and Albiol is meh..
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    Post by Jamie Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:24 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    Jamie wrote:Piquenbauer has got clearance to play tomorrow. cheers

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    I've missed him. Happy Tears
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:25 am

    He's no Rami or Ruíz but it may help Barcelona slightly to deal with Falcao. think

    What a line-up of fixtures tomorrow:

    Athletic Bilbao - Villarreal
    Sevilla - Valencia
    Real Madrid - Rayo Vallecano
    Barcelona - Atlético Madrid

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    Post by Cadbury Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:29 am

    Dominguez - Pique wank 2.
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    Post by RafaVDV Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:30 am

    What could/should be the top 7, all playing. Either way, better than the Prem fixtures imo.


    + Di Maria is more of a threat than Higuain atm and playing Callejon is a waste of time.
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:31 am

    Christ, I'm considering creating a thread for Cadbury to write all of his shit in, or get his address and send him a piece of paper and a pen.
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    Post by Mario Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:32 am

    RafaVDV wrote:What could/should be the top 7, all playing. Either way, better than the Prem fixtures imo.


    + Di Maria is more of a threat than Higuain atm and playing Callejon is a waste of time.

    Di María can fuck off like I said he does atleast one thing every game that pisses me off so badly.

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