The over-criticising of footballers...

kyro7 wrote:It's because Gareth Barry is shit.

I'm not picking on you Kyro, I just noticed you saying this and thought I would bring up something which I have wanted to for quite some time. It just annoys me when people just call players "crap" or "rubbish", without even explaining why this is or why they think it. I just think it shows a lack of knowledge on the player or topic, or that you are being over-critical on a player just because he has had a few bad games. The amount of people I know who have been criticising Rooney recently, especially in my school, has been shocking. They obviously haven't been watching him play lately or else they would know he is actually playing very well, just not scoring the goals.

That's just one example, but there are a lot more I could bring up quite easily.

Discuss.

Yeah I've always sort of thought this. If they were truley shit they wouldn't have a career in football. People just say that to emphasise their points though.

He's shit because I think he's shit for the level he plays at, England and Man City.

Doesn't pass well, and he's taking up a squad place that could be better used.

EDIT: Also my post isn't a very good example because I was saying people are complaining about him being captain because he's shit, which doesn't really need a deep in detail reasoning.

I just use the good old 'I don't see your x amount of international caps'

It's the same with praise for players too I find. Often it becomes popular to praise a player or equally it can become popular to call them shit. I don't think Barry is as bad as people are making out, yeah he's not great, but he's played the majority of games in City's midfield this year and we're doing pretty well.

ayvee1 wrote:Yeah I've always sort of thought this. If they were truley shit they wouldn't have a career in football. People just say that to emphasise their points though.

Obviously he means shit in proportion to other players. It's sort of implied.

kyro7 wrote:He's shit because I think he's shit for the level he plays at, England and Man City.

Doesn't pass well, and he's taking up a squad place that could be better used.

Well you are entitled to your own opinion, whether or not I agree with it. I was just using you as an example anyway to emphasise my point.

Zzonked wrote:It's the same with praise for players too I find. Often it becomes popular to praise a player or equally it can become popular to call them shit. I don't think Barry is as bad as people are making out, yeah he's not great, but he's played the majority of games in City's midfield this year and we're doing pretty well.

ayvee1 wrote:Yeah I've always sort of thought this. If they were truley shit they wouldn't have a career in football. People just say that to emphasise their points though.

Obviously he means shit in proportion to other players. It's sort of implied.

Yeah I know.

When people say shit they mean comparitivly

For instance if Barry played for a Championship team, people would say he's a very good player, but being at a club challenging for a top 4 place and captaining England some feel he's too shit to play at such a level. Personally I believe both Mancini and Capello know far more about his ability than some forum users

Mr. Hassard wrote:

kyro7 wrote:He's shit because I think he's shit for the level he plays at, England and Man City.

Doesn't pass well, and he's taking up a squad place that could be better used.

Well you are entitled to your own opinion, whether or not I agree with it. I was just using you as an example anyway to emphasise my point.

Look at my edit, my post doesn't prove what you're saying, I was giving a reason why people don't want him as captain.

Just because you state something doesn't mean you have to write 5 paragraphs on why, if I think someone is shit, I'll say that, then if someone challenges me on it then I'll start bringing out reasons.

It's because it costs so much to get a ticket nowadays. Fans feel ripped off by inept players.

Sean wrote:When people say shit they mean comparitivly

For instance if Barry played for a Championship team, people would say he's a very good player, but being at a club challenging for a top 4 place and captaining England some feel he's too shit to play at such a level. Personally I believe both Mancini and Capello know far more about his ability than some forum users

Yeah, Darron Gibson is fantastic.

Fergie keeps faith with him so obviously he's good.

It's obviously relative to other footballers at his level, if you explain it, I don't have a problem with fans critizing players/owners/staff/managers/etc. don't have an issue with booing either.

He obviously sees something in him.

kyro7 wrote:

Mr. Hassard wrote:

kyro7 wrote:He's shit because I think he's shit for the level he plays at, England and Man City.

Doesn't pass well, and he's taking up a squad place that could be better used.

Well you are entitled to your own opinion, whether or not I agree with it. I was just using you as an example anyway to emphasise my point.

Look at my edit, my post doesn't prove what you're saying, I was giving a reason why people don't want him as captain.

Just because you state something doesn't mean you have to write 5 paragraphs on why, if I think someone is shit, I'll say that, then if someone challenges me on it then I'll start bringing out reasons.

Yeah fair enough, but what you just said in your post before the edit is adequate enough. You don't need to go into a lot of detail, unless somebody challenges you.

You can post and write whatever you want, i'm not in control of you. But i just personally like to expand on my opinion when discussing a players ability. I also try not to be overly critical of any player.

I agree though, sometimes a bandwagon forms and people just criticise a player because it's the done thing, e.g. Ramires. I admit though I did the same thing with Lucas

I understand the over critiscising of Mo Edu. He is the worst player ever to garce the Ibrox turf.

Sean wrote:I agree though, sometimes a bandwagon forms and people just criticise a player because it's the done thing, e.g. Ramires. I admit though I did the same thing with Lucas

That's what makes it so annoying. People just jump on the bandwagon whenever a player has a bad couple of games or when the media turn on them. It just shows that they are basically being told what to think by the media and have no opinions of their own.

Dont get me started on that, I can't talk to 80% of football 'fans' cos they're so fucking clueless and incapable of forming their own opinion

Sean wrote: Personally I believe both Mancini and Capello know far more about his ability than some forum users

This is a good point. These 2 men are the ones who truley know for Example Barrys ability they watch him train daily etc. All we can judge players from his a couple of minutes a week on our television or the odd 1 or 2 at the games.

A bit like Fabianski everybody said he was shit and should look into a career as a butcher but Wenger kept saying he had faith in him and "we will see the Fabianski we see in training".
Fabianski is not one of the worlds best keepers but he is definatly showing his abilitys better now.

Same with praising a player too, like I said.

Seen so many people cumming over Neymar since the Scotland game.

Sean wrote:Dont get me started on that, I can't talk to 80% of football 'fans' cos they're so fucking clueless and incapable of forming their own opinion

Oh dear lord.

I remember how many people started creaming over Gareth Bale after Spurs v Inter in the Champions League, they instantly jumped on the 'Gareth Bale is the best player in the world' banwagon. (Not this forum by the way).

Zzonked wrote:Same with praising a player too, like I said.

Seen so many people cumming over Neymar since the Scotland game.

Yeah fucking hell, first of all most already know he's quality, but the people that didn't know of him now think he's the next Ronaldo after playing one good game v Scotland for Brazil that these people have seen.

The commentators don't fucking help either, it's like they brainwash some people.

grenade187 wrote:

Sean wrote: Personally I believe both Mancini and Capello know far more about his ability than some forum users

This is a good point. These 2 men are the ones who truley know for Example Barrys ability they watch him train daily etc. All we can judge players from his a couple of minutes a week on our television or the odd 1 or 2 at the games.

A bit like Fabianski everybody said he was shit and should look into a career as a butcher but Wenger kept saying he had faith in him and "we will see the Fabianski we see in training".
Fabianski is not one of the worlds best keepers but he is definatly showing his abilitys better now.

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grenade187 wrote:

Sean wrote: Personally I believe both Mancini and Capello know far more about his ability than some forum users

This is a good point. These 2 men are the ones who truley know for Example Barrys ability they watch him train daily etc. All we can judge players from his a couple of minutes a week on our television or the odd 1 or 2 at the games.

A bit like Fabianski everybody said he was shit and should look into a career as a butcher but Wenger kept saying he had faith in him and "we will see the Fabianski we see in training".
Fabianski is not one of the worlds best keepers but he is definatly showing his abilitys better now.

Yeah but if they don't perform on the pitch, it's not our fault we can't watch them in training, so we can only form an opinion off of what we see, until they prove people wrong on the pitch it's their fault.

ayvee1 wrote:Yeah I've always sort of thought this. If they were truley shit they wouldn't have a career in football. People just say that to emphasise their points though.

I say Poulsen in shit, because he is shit in compared to the level of quality that should play for Liverpool.

Lucas is under rated. fact.

JMB_94 wrote:

Sean wrote:Dont get me started on that, I can't talk to 80% of football 'fans' cos they're so fucking clueless and incapable of forming their own opinion

Oh dear lord.

I remember how many people started creaming over Gareth Bale after Spurs v Inter in the Champions League, they instantly jumped on the 'Gareth Bale is the best player in the world' banwagon. (Not this forum by the way).

A lot of users on this forum did start bumming Bale, especially Lux.



EDIT: You started a thread.


http://www.the-playmaker.com/t1294-gareth-bale-is-pure-sex?highlight=gareth+bale

Other one here: http://www.the-playmaker.com/t979-gareth-bale?highlight=gareth+bale

kyro7 wrote:

Zzonked wrote:Same with praising a player too, like I said.

Seen so many people cumming over Neymar since the Scotland game.

Yeah fucking hell, first of all most already know he's quality, but the people that didn't know of him now think he's the next Ronaldo after playing one good game v Scotland for Brazil that these people have seen.

The commentators don't fucking help either, it's like they brainwash some people.

Yeah that's true as well. The commentators went on about Wilshere so much it made everyone think that he played really well in the second leg against Barca when he had a relatively poor game.

kyro7 wrote:

Zzonked wrote:Same with praising a player too, like I said.

Seen so many people cumming over Neymar since the Scotland game.

Yeah fucking hell, first of all most already know he's quality, but the people that didn't know of him now think he's the next Ronaldo after playing one good game v Scotland for Brazil that these people have seen.

The commentators don't fucking help either, it's like they brainwash some people.

Thank god Sky got rid of them two twats Richard Keys and Andy Gray. The shite they come out with was unbelievable.

Mal wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Sean wrote:Dont get me started on that, I can't talk to 80% of football 'fans' cos they're so fucking clueless and incapable of forming their own opinion

Oh dear lord.

I remember how many people started creaming over Gareth Bale after Spurs v Inter in the Champions League, they instantly jumped on the 'Gareth Bale is the best player in the world' banwagon. (Not this forum by the way).

A lot of users on this forum did start bumming Bale, especially Lux.



EDIT: You started a thread.


http://www.the-playmaker.com/t1294-gareth-bale-is-pure-sex?highlight=gareth+bale

Other one here: http://www.the-playmaker.com/t979-gareth-bale?highlight=gareth+bale

Didn't say he was the best player in the world, did i.