Australian (Queensland) Floods

I don't know if most of you have heard about this, but it seems like for 3 months it has been raining. Last night Toowoombas CBD was basically turned into a river. Most of lower Queensland is flooded including Brisbane. 9 people have died so far (4 being children), and 66 are currently missing. This is Queenslands worst flood since 1974, which I'm led to believe was Queenslands worst flood. It is yet to get much, much worse before it gets better.

Thankfully my house will be untouched, but may all those affected be in our prayers.

I'm not praying for em but I hope they are okay. I know what it is like being flooded. We had it a few years ago and my parents house was flooded. Luckily we was insured but it took over a year for us to finally be allowed to move back home.

Global warming

luke. wrote:Global warming

is nonsense.

luke. wrote:Global warming

wrong. It's been the wettest period in Brisbane for ages and this summer only a handful of days have gone over 30 degrees. Usually everyday in Summer is over 30. It's the opposite of global warming in Brisbane at least.

My house luckily won't be touched because we are on a hill but everything at the bottom of the hill is already flooded. I live near Jindalee and the river there is almost running over the Centenary bridge. Thursday it's supposed to peak isn't it?

Bloody hell, I remember you saying it was raining ages ago and I was like, "Rain in Aussieland? Paradox!" or something like that.

And that was like...months ago.

Hope it gets better.

AnfieldG8 wrote:

luke. wrote:Global warming

wrong. It's been the wettest period in Brisbane for ages and this summer only a handful of days have gone over 30 degrees. Usually everyday in Summer is over 30. It's the opposite of global warming in Brisbane at least.

My house luckily won't be touched because we are on a hill but everything at the bottom of the hill is already flooded. I live near Jindalee and the river there is almost running over the Centenary bridge. Thursday it's supposed to peak isn't it?

Global warming doesn't mean the weather will get warmer. It means the earth will heat up and things will start to change, e.g more rain.

coolmarvin wrote:Bloody hell, I remember you saying it was raining ages ago and I was like, "Rain in Aussieland? Paradox!" or something like that.

And that was like...months ago.

Hope it gets better.

It rains in Australia all the time, especially in Queensland. We get the hot winds from inland meeting with the cool winds off the Pacific ocean and it creates havoc from time to time, especially in Summer. It rains ALOT harder in Australia than it does here in England I can assure you that.

luke. wrote:

AnfieldG8 wrote:

luke. wrote:Global warming

wrong. It's been the wettest period in Brisbane for ages and this summer only a handful of days have gone over 30 degrees. Usually everyday in Summer is over 30. It's the opposite of global warming in Brisbane at least.

My house luckily won't be touched because we are on a hill but everything at the bottom of the hill is already flooded. I live near Jindalee and the river there is almost running over the Centenary bridge. Thursday it's supposed to peak isn't it?

Global warming doesn't mean the weather will get warmer. It means the earth will heat up and things will start to change, e.g more rain.

That's why I hate the phrase "global warming". What's happening in Brisbane is not global warming, it's just a weather pattern. Right now it's called 'la nina' which usually produces ALOT of rain and cooler temperatures. Over the past decade we've had 'el nino' which caused the massive drought. It's just a return to the past for us. It's not global warming, it's simply an old weather pattern returning.

Torrential rain is a regular thing in summer for Queensland luke, theres the odd cyclone possibility aswell, its just unfortunate there has been a shitload of rain non stop this time round. Its rare we get a day or two without rain really where I am, regular thunderstorms too, nothing out of the ordinary.

It's not global raining, it's La Nina effects.

It is true though that the effects of the earth heating up is going to effect lots of things. Hot places becoming cooler and vice versa, dry areas becoming wet and vice versa among lots of other things.

But Global Warming is so insignificant that I hate how society get's all crazy about it, when there are so much more things that are actually happening at the moment that will be much more harmful to the planet as whole(deforestation everywhere in the world, the Everglades being drained, and loss of biodiversity of which is important for ecosystems(which will effect us alot) among lots of other things)than the average global temperature raising a few decimals.

I'm so lucky our house is on a hill because everything is already flooded but is expected to rise even further. I can stay in the UK until May 2012 and I think they'll still be cleaning up and reconstructing by then.

AnfieldG8 wrote:Over the past decade we've had 'el nino' which caused the massive drought.

Torres has been on a massive drought tbh

(polskaGOLA) wrote:It's not global raining, it's La Nina effects.

It is true though that the effects of the earth heating up is going to effect lots of things. Hot places becoming cooler and vice versa, dry areas becoming wet and vice versa among lots of other things.

But Global Warming is so insignificant that I hate how society get's all crazy about it, when there are so much more things that are actually happening at the moment that will be much more harmful to the planet as whole(deforestation everywhere in the world, the Everglades being drained, and loss of biodiversity of which is important for ecosystems(which will effect us alot) among lots of other things)than the average global temperature raising a few decimals.

most of the things you mention are an effect of or effect global warming/green house gas effect.

What we're seeing now are more extreme weather patterns including El nino, La nina,etc.

the summer here atm in NZ has been fucking hot, it's been getting hotter over last few years you really notice it in summer cannot remember it being like this - droughts/water shortages and all that..

No they are not. The Everglades are a number of factors. Deforestation is hardly a cause of global warming, it's been happening to this planet long before the industrial era.

My Mum says they have no electricity and water supplies may be cut soon.

El_indian wrote:most of the things you mention are an effect of or effect global warming/green house gas effect.

What we're seeing now are more extreme weather patterns including El nino, La nina,etc.

the summer here atm in NZ has been fucking hot, it's been getting hotter over last few years you really notice it in summer cannot remember it being like this - droughts/water shortages and all that..

The Planet's climate isn't constant. 100-150 years ago the Thames froze over Winter. 10,000 years ago we had an Ice Age....some times are hotter than others...some are colder...sometimes there's more rain etc.

It's easy to look to deforestation, car emissions etc as proof of global warming but that's not true at all....pretty sure some experts in Norfolk accidentally had their emails leaked and they were talking about how global warming is rubbish but they won't say it because looking to be "greener" is a massive money making scheme.

RIP to all those who have died.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:No they are not. The Everglades are a number of factors. Deforestation is hardly a cause of global warming, it's been happening to this planet long before the industrial era.

deforestation fucks up ecosystems which itself can mess with weather patterns, it does contribute in someway, just not directly.

ecosystems are absolutely vital to the natural cycle of the planet, they're so complicated yet provide the basic services we require for life - we just take this shit for granted.

sure deforestation been happening long before we can remember but definitely not at the fucking insane rate it's happening now with all the technology etc.

run and tell that homeboy

Luxz0rz wrote:

El_indian wrote:most of the things you mention are an effect of or effect global warming/green house gas effect.

What we're seeing now are more extreme weather patterns including El nino, La nina,etc.

the summer here atm in NZ has been fucking hot, it's been getting hotter over last few years you really notice it in summer cannot remember it being like this - droughts/water shortages and all that..

The Planet's climate isn't constant. 100-150 years ago the Thames froze over Winter. 10,000 years ago we had an Ice Age....some times are hotter than others...some are colder...sometimes there's more rain etc.

It's easy to look to deforestation, car emissions etc as proof of global warming but that's not true at all....pretty sure some experts in Norfolk accidentally had their emails leaked and they were talking about how global warming is rubbish but they won't say it because looking to be "greener" is a massive money making scheme.

That's a bunch of bullshit imo, yes I know the earth goes through periods of warm/cool temperatures but this current increase unlike others is man-made, you only have to look at the evidence of mass extinctions of species & ecosystems to be aware of the problem.

I study this stuff.

But If you wanna believe that it's some giant conspiracy theory than who am I to stop you...

El_indian wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:No they are not. The Everglades are a number of factors. Deforestation is hardly a cause of global warming, it's been happening to this planet long before the industrial era.

deforestation fucks up ecosystems which itself can mess with weather patterns, it does contribute in someway, just not directly.

ecosystems are absolutely vital to the natural cycle of the planet, they're so complicated yet provide the basic services we require for life - we just take this shit for granted.

sure deforestation been happening long before we can remember but definitely not at the fucking insane rate it's happening now with all the technology etc.

run and tell that homeboy

Deforestation does change local climate dramatically, but not universally.

We do take the ecosystems for granted.

Oh and yes, we were quite the cunts back in history as well.

Historically, England was forest-less, Germany cut down 85% of their forests as well. Japan likewise.

Just that now, the areas being cut down are Rainforests and are much more important to the planet than some forests near the Tundra zone that is Europe.

But If you wanna believe that it's some giant conspiracy theory than who am I to stop you...

There are many other things we should be more worried about than global warming I think is what he is saying, which I agree completely.

I am much more concerned with the loss of biodiversity and ecosystems collapsing, together with the mass consumption of resources combined with our extreme over-population than the average global temperature rising a few decimals.

The Earth is supposed to be warming up at this moment in time anyway. If you don't remember, we are currently recovering from an Ice Age, temperatures will get much hotter in the following millenia, before lowering again as we reach our next Ice Age. I don't think Global Warming is bullshit, it isn't, but it isn't as extreme as it is portrayed to be, and that the earth CANNOT possibly warm up all that much(By this, I mean a largely significant amount) simply because of the way the continents are aligned in this world, majorly stopping the flow of currents thus keeping the oceans from heating up significantly.

I wish people stopped bullshitting themselves with Global Warming and started taken action against the real environmental issues in this planet. (As well as the massive overpopulation which even if the earth was 100% healthy, would still be a major issue)

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

El_indian wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:No they are not. The Everglades are a number of factors. Deforestation is hardly a cause of global warming, it's been happening to this planet long before the industrial era.

deforestation fucks up ecosystems which itself can mess with weather patterns, it does contribute in someway, just not directly.

ecosystems are absolutely vital to the natural cycle of the planet, they're so complicated yet provide the basic services we require for life - we just take this shit for granted.

sure deforestation been happening long before we can remember but definitely not at the fucking insane rate it's happening now with all the technology etc.

run and tell that homeboy

Deforestation does change local climate dramatically, but not universally.

We do take the ecosystems for granted.

Oh and yes, we were quite the cunts back in history as well.

Historically, England was forest-less, Germany cut down 85% of their forests as well. Japan likewise.

Just that now, the areas being cut down are Rainforests and are much more important to the planet than some forests near the Tundra zone that is Europe.

But If you wanna believe that it's some giant conspiracy theory than who am I to stop you...

There are many other things we should be more worried about than global warming I think is what he is saying, which I agree completely.

I am much more concerned with the loss of biodiversity and ecosystems collapsing, together with the mass consumption of resources combined with our extreme over-population than the average global temperature rising a few decimals.

The Earth is supposed to be warming up at this moment in time anyway. If you don't remember, we are currently recovering from an Ice Age, temperatures will get much hotter in the following millenia, before lowering again as we reach our next Ice Age. I don't think Global Warming is bullshit, it isn't, but it isn't as extreme as it is portrayed to be, and that the earth CANNOT possibly warm up all that much(By this, I mean a largely significant amount) simply because of the way the continents are aligned in this world, majorly stopping the flow of currents thus keeping the oceans from heating up significantly.

I wish people stopped bullshitting themselves with Global Warming and started taken action against the real environmental issues in this planet. (As well as the massive overpopulation which even if the earth was 100% healthy, would still be a major issue)

good points.

I agree global warming itself is not as great a danger as the other environmental problems, but I think people generally use the term to represent all environmental issues, which doesn't bother me, it's just they aren't educated in the area - I can relate - I had absolutely no clue on the subject a few years ago, It's only since I started took it up at Uni.

But yeah I guess there is an overemphasis on 'stopping the earth form heating up'; I think because it's often linked with pollution & exhaust emissions in the media, people feel they can relate to it - i.e generally most people in the western world will drive a car.

The Key is educating the public in these other areas, as you mention. (along with overpopulation, overconsumption is a massive one)

I disagree slightly in that historically we did chop down forests, but now its occurs at an obscene rate for mindless commercial purposes.

All these problems are linked and are all very complex, for me the heart of the problem lies in money & greed although that relationship is also very complicated.

It's all a big a fucking mess

I must point out that the loss of coral reefs and rising sea levels as a result of the sea warming is going to be huge to coastal communities.

As I mentioned above I do agree 'global warming' is overemphasized relative to the other issues but it itself is also a big problem, particularly due to it being driven by man this time around.

It's all linked anyway, a couple degrees change to oceans could potentially mess up weather patterns & ecosystems...and we're driving it directly & indirectly through overpopulation & overconsumption.

El_indian wrote:That's a bunch of bullshit imo, yes I know the earth goes through periods of warm/cool temperatures but this current increase unlike others is man-made, you only have to look at the evidence of mass extinctions of species & ecosystems to be aware of the problem.

Ecosystems and species have gone extinct quickly in the past too. Times change....those extinctions may be our fault but that's to do with us chopping down trees.....hunting them etc...not the climate changing and making them go extinct.

Also, there's no solid proof that any of these changes are man made. It's easy to piece two things together because it seems to fit but that doesn't mean it's right. I'm not so easily convinced as you I guess.

El_indian wrote:I study this stuff.

You're cool.

El_indian wrote:
But If you wanna believe that it's some giant conspiracy theory than who am I to stop you...

I never said it's a giant conspiracy theory. That said....there's a lot of money to be gained from all of this. Think of all the new products, research....jobs....etc that have been and will be created because of the "threat" of global warming. It's beyond imagination......and it pockets people a lot of money.

This doesn't mean it's all just a conspiracy....but it's very likely part of it. At the very least it's the main reason why a lot of businesses, people, governments etc might actually want to promote/endorse it etc.

Luxz0rz wrote:

El_indian wrote:That's a bunch of bullshit imo, yes I know the earth goes through periods of warm/cool temperatures but this current increase unlike others is man-made, you only have to look at the evidence of mass extinctions of species & ecosystems to be aware of the problem.

Ecosystems and species have gone extinct quickly in the past too. Times change....those extinctions may be our fault but that's to do with us chopping down trees.....hunting them etc...not the climate changing and making them go extinct.

Also, there's no solid proof that any of these changes are man made. It's easy to piece two things together because it seems to fit but that doesn't mean it's right. I'm not so easily convinced as you I guess.

El_indian wrote:I study this stuff.

Luxz0rz wrote:You're cool.

What's wrong with that? Didn't mean to sound like a prick, I just said it to point our that from what I've learned in lectures & readings etc. there is evidence that ecosystems can be messed up by climate change - they're extremely fragile things.

The way you say it it's like you can't provide proof for anything - you just piece things together

There there have been many studies done on these things, and over many years, but if you wanna disregard the work as simply refer to it as piecing two things together, well, then I guess that's fine - you can believe what you want.

El_indian wrote:
But If you wanna believe that it's some giant conspiracy theory than who am I to stop you...

Luxz0rz wrote:I never said it's a giant conspiracy theory. That said....there's a lot of money to be gained from all of this. Think of all the new products, research....jobs....etc that have been and will be created because of the "threat" of global warming. It's beyond imagination......and it pockets people a lot of money.

This doesn't mean it's all just a conspiracy....but it's very likely part of it. At the very least it's the main reason why a lot of businesses, people, governments etc might actually want to promote/endorse it etc.

dude if something like that is not a conspiracy theory than I don't know what is.

You just seem like one of them who thinks it's all bullshit, if so, good for you

I disagree slightly in that historically we did chop down forests, but
now its occurs at an obscene rate for mindless commercial purposes.

Why do you think directly before Tokugawa era in Japan, Japanese for the first time in history accepted the rest of the world existed? Because they chopped down alot of forest and needed to import Korean lumber. (For reference, Tokugawa planted a fuckload of tree's in his era which is why Japan is so forested today. :p)

Why do you think Agriculture rose in the fertile crescent, when the fertile crescent is now desert? Because the middle east from Egypt to Israel, through Syria and Iraq all the way to Iran was all forest not too long ago. They chopped down all the forests in the area before 1AD and the area became desert.

I am also certain of Germany/Spain/England 's forest problems and their efforts to replant forests in the industrial era.

All this happened before the industrial era. I don't doubt we have taken it to the extreme in the modern era, but we did have a history of deforestation.

El_indian wrote:I must point out that the loss of coral reefs and rising sea levels as a result of the sea warming is going to be huge to coastal communities.

As I mentioned above I do agree 'global warming' is overemphasized relative to the other issues but it itself is also a big problem, particularly due to it being driven by man this time around.

It's all linked anyway, a couple degrees change to oceans could potentially mess up weather patterns & ecosystems...and we're driving it directly & indirectly through overpopulation & overconsumption.

Coral reefs are the only huge loss due to global warming, it would take many many years for the reefs to evolve and adapt to the new conditions. They really are that fragile.

However, it was going to happen anyway. The planet is still going towards a warmer future before the next Ice Age, and that if anything, we just took out maybe a thousand years out of the coral reefs lifetime.


Regarding conspiracy theory, well obviously the only reason politicians and companies "care" about the environment is either due to a direct gain financially or better public relations.

Wow OK I admit I wasn't aware of that level of deforestation before the industrial revolution, In saying that, timber was prob their main source of energy back then, it still is obviously very important.

One of the points I was trying to make in my whole deforestation argument was that the technology we have now means you could prob cut down hectares & hectares of forest in a day (I have no idea exactly on how much) whereas back then it was you're bare hands and a few shitty tools which would have taken forever.


Yeah the loss of Reefs will be bad esp also the reduced fish supply which feeds so many.

And yeah a lot of people jump on the 'green bandwagon' to make money, but if the the whole thing stated as a money making exercise (which I don't believe it did) and those leaked emails are true (which I don't believe are), well than that would be one huge conspiracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17KnBaEcpo

Yacht sinking extremely fast because of the lightning fast under current. Two guys on board.