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    Post by Cornholio Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:03 am


    Ferguson, without question, has earned the right to lay claim to that
    distinction, but in an era when everything that happens now is automatically
    viewed as bigger and better than what has gone before, I cannot help but
    recall Bob Paisley and feel that his achievements at Liverpool are too often
    overlooked.


    It would be churlish to attempt to place one above the other. As a Liverpool
    man and somebody who played a part in Paisley’s success at Anfield, I would
    always go with Bob. Equally, Ferguson would get the 100 per cent support of
    everyone connected with United.


    Ferguson has brought phenomenal success to United during his 24 years at the
    club. He has broken the team up and rebuilt on at least three or four
    occasions and Paisley himself would always argue that enjoying sustained
    success, as Ferguson has done, is the hardest thing of all.


    United have emerged from the wilderness under Sir Alex. They were never going
    to win the league before he arrived, but he changed that and his success at
    Old Trafford – the doubles, the trebles, league titles and European Cups –
    can never be under-estimated.


    But Paisley’s record at Liverpool is just as remarkable, and all the more so
    given that his nine-year reign as manager was almost one-third of the time
    Ferguson has spent at United.
    In nine years, Paisley won three European Cups, a Uefa Cup, six League titles
    and three League Cups. He won three European Cups in nine years, while Sir
    Alex has managed two in 24.

    Paisley built arguably the best side in Liverpool’s history and it won
    everything in sight. His achievements now appear even more incredible with
    Liverpool having failed to win the title for coming up to 21 years.

    It is true that, while Ferguson rebuilt a United that had fallen into decline
    since the days of Busby, Paisley inherited a dynasty which had been put in
    place by Bill Shankly and Liverpool were a genuine force when he became
    manager in 1974.

    But Paisley took Liverpool to another level and, having played for him, I
    would say that I have never come across a football man, before or since, who
    had his special eye for detail.

    Nobody could spot players’ strengths or weaknesses better than Paisley and he
    had a simple philosophy which, 25 years on, still resonates today.

    And he was ruthless. He might have portrayed an ‘Uncle Bob’ image, but he was
    as ruthless as Sir Alex and, at the very highest level, that is a
    prerequisite because compassion is a lonely word on a football pitch.

    Here is an example. Back in the 1981-82 season, I had been out with a knee
    injury and, during my absence, Liverpool won nine and drew one of their ten
    games, including a 3-1 win at Old Trafford, so I was worried about getting
    back into the team.

    I played a reserve game on the Wednesday and then dropped a glass on my other
    knee in the kitchen which meant I had to have six stitches, but Joe Fagan,
    Paisley’s assistant, pulled me aside on the Friday and asked if I would be
    OK to play against Manchester City at Maine Road on the Saturday.

    I had six stitches in my knee and the team was flying, but Paisley dropped
    Terry McDermott and put me straight back in because he wanted to play his
    strongest side. Terry Mac was not over the moon, to put it mildly, but
    Paisley had made up his mind and that was that.

    Just like Sir Alex dropping Jim Leighton for the FA Cup Final replay in 1990,
    Paisley did what was best for the team, no matter if it was a tough call or
    not.

    Paisley was 64 when he retired, but he called it perfectly. Liverpool had just
    won the league again, so he went out on a high and I hope Sir Alex does that
    because you always want the greats to go when they are on top, but Fergie is
    69 later this month and you can see that the hunger and desire is still
    there.

    Brian Clough’s achievements at Derby and Nottingham Forest were incredible
    because he won titles at both clubs and also managed back-to-back European
    Cups at the City Ground.

    But in terms of prolonged, top-level success, Ferguson and Paisley are
    probably the two at the very top for me.

    People often ask whether Paisley would have been as successful in the modern
    day, but there is no doubt in my mind about that because he was always
    insistent that we had to adapt to sustain our success at Liverpool. He would
    have adapted and been ahead of the game. Absolutely.

    Paisley wasn’t knighted for his achievements and I know that continues to be
    an issue among Liverpool supporters.

    It has also not gone unnoticed on Merseyside that, of the four Lifetime
    Achievement awards handed out to football people at the BBC Sports
    Personality of the Year awards, three have gone to United figures (George
    Best, Bobby Charlton and David Beckham) and none to Liverpool.

    It is very difficult, if not impossible, to place one above the other, but I
    will always lean towards Bob Paisley.

    He won three European Cups within the space of five seasons and that is
    something that will stand the test of time.
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    Post by The Blue One Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:14 pm

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    Post by Royal Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:15 pm

    Ryan wrote:

    Ferguson, without question
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    Post by Drake Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:22 pm

    David Moyes Very Happy
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    Post by Danny Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:25 pm

    Royal wrote:
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    Ferguson, without question
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:03 pm

    Jose Mourinho.
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    Post by blackskar Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:06 pm

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    Post by Jordi Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:06 pm

    It's obviously Alan Pardew Neutral
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    Post by Cadbury Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:35 pm

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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:36 pm

    NGreat wrote:Cristian Purslow

    The first time I read that, I thought it said Christian Poulsen Laughing
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    Post by Pippo Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:09 pm

    Johnathan Survive. Has Forest rooted to the top of the table on my FM save.
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    Post by Ben Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:32 pm

    Kevin Blackwell cheers
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    Post by coolhead33 Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:36 pm

    Ben10 wrote:Kevin Blackwell cheers
    Where is he at now?
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    Post by Ben Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:38 pm

    coolhead33 wrote:
    Ben10 wrote:Kevin Blackwell cheers
    Where is he at now?

    Nowhere, I think. Got sacked by Sheff United earlier this season.

    He's better than Venables though.
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    Post by coolhead33 Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:42 pm

    Ben10 wrote:
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    Where is he at now?

    Nowhere, I think. Got sacked by Sheff United earlier this season.

    He's better than Venables though.
    That was the last club I remembered him at. We should never of sacked him but since we did we have become a better club bith on and off the field.

    This thread is about the greatest though and that means it's about Don Revie.Greatest manager of all time. 914411
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:43 pm

    mourinho
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    Post by Ben Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:45 pm

    coolhead33 wrote:
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    Ben10 wrote:Kevin Blackwell cheers
    Where is he at now?

    Nowhere, I think. Got sacked by Sheff United earlier this season.

    He's better than Venables though.
    That was the last club I remembered him at. We should never of sacked him but since we did we have become a better club bith on and off the field.

    This thread is about the greatest though and that means it's about Don Revie.Greatest manager of all time. 914411

    Good point. If the UEFA & League officials didn't hate us then he'd easily be up there not worthy
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    Post by Danny Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:46 pm

    Mourinho, and greatest manager of all time, is a bit of a joke tbh Laughing
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    Post by coolhead33 Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:50 pm

    mauro wrote:mourinho
    Is that the guy who got fucked 5-0 the other week?
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:54 pm

    not to be fucked with

    Greatest manager of all time. Jose-mourinho_1626773c
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    Post by Danny Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:57 pm

    mauro wrote:not to be fucked with

    Greatest manager of all time. Jose-mourinho_1626773c

    not worthy

    Best manager ever though? No chance.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:59 pm

    he will be...
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    Post by Danny Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:00 am

    Probably will yeah. At the moment? Hell no.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:31 pm

    Jimmy Hogan

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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:33 pm

    Roy Hodgson easily.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:38 pm

    I think the majority of people would respond Sir Alex Ferguson to the question and I would have to agree with them under one condition. Are you saying SAF is the best ever because of what he has achieved or because of his actual talent? If you are basing it on achievements and trophies, then I would agree. But if we compare actual talent, I think Mourinho is the best manager of all time. By the time Mourinho retires from the game, I think he will be considered an all time great by the majority if he keeps at his rate of winning titles and eventually equaling SAF.

    This applies to the greatest football players as well. The majority will respond Pele or Maradona. But if we are comparing talent and not achievements, I would consider Messi the greatest footballer to ever grace a pitch. I might be a little biased though because I have never seen Pele or Maradona play full matches. But the concept to such a question is the same.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:41 pm

    Sir Alex Ferguson, because although Mourinho has done amazing, he could die tomorrow.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:43 pm

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    Post by Cornholio Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:44 pm

    Big Jock knew how to run a team.
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