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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:36 am

    As many as 27 people have been killed, including many children, in a shooting attack at a primary school in the US state of Connecticut, US media say.

    At least 18 children are among the dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, the Associated Press reported.

    Earlier, the gunman was reported to have been killed and at least three people were taken to hospital.

    A news conference is imminent and the state Governor Dannell Malloy is on his way.

    Police arrived at the school soon after 09:40 local time (14:40 GMT), answering reports that a gunman was in the school's main office and one person had "numerous gunshot wounds".

    Scores of officers at the scene carried out a full search of the site.

    Schools across the district were immediately on lock-down as a preventive measure, officials said.

    With the death toll rising, it emerged that one entire classroom of students may remain unaccounted for, local sources reported.

    Meanwhile, the three people who have been taken to hospital are in "very serious condition", Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton told CNN.

    'Collecting facts'
    One witness speaking to CNN said that shots were heard coming from the hall. There "must have been 100 rounds" fired, she told the channel.

    Local media have reported that firefighters instructed children to close their eyes and run past the school's office as they exited the building.

    Other sources suggest that some of the shots were fired in a school classroom.

    According to CNN, the shooter's body was in one of the school's classrooms.

    There were unconfirmed reports of two shooters, according to a report in the local Hartford Courant newspaper.

    With the children now evacuated, aerial images of the school show several emergency vehicles still at the scene and scores of cars surrounding the area.

    Teams of officers are on the scene, some with dogs, as a thorough search of the school continues.

    A local NBC news channel said that a hospital in nearby Danbury had reported receiving three injured patients.

    Several parents are reportedly at the school, standing by and waiting for more information. Officials say they are trying to unite children with their parents.

    Sandy Hook School - described by correspondents as a highly rated school - has cancelled its kindergarten class on Friday and will not operate midday bus runs, the school's website says.

    The public school has more than 600 students in classes from Kindergarten to 4th Grade - including students aged from five to 10.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters that US President Barack Obama had been informed of the incident and was receiving regular updates.

    On its website, Danbury Hospital said it was aware of a "situation" at the school.

    "Please know we're collecting facts now and will be back to you as soon as possible with the most accurate information," the hospital said in a statement.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20730717


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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:45 am

    oh god why
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    Post by Zzonked Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:51 am

    Fucking hell.

    There's a good reason to ban guns, maybe a person could go on a rampage with a knife or something but no way would they kill that many people. There seems to be so many of these public shootings in America.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:04 am

    Zzonked wrote:Fucking hell.

    There's a good reason to ban guns, maybe a person could go on a rampage with a knife or something but no way would they kill that many people. There seems to be so many of these public shootings in America.
    But.. but.. it's a constitutional right!
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    Post by Novi Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 am

    [Mod edit: What the fuck man.]
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    Post by Bushido Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:47 am

    ....not cool, Novi.
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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:55 am

    Inb4 Mustang and that other Republican say it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.

    I don't know how many more school shootings we need to see happen before the government takes a tougher stance.
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    Post by dena Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:02 am

    We will never learn.
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:40 am

    This is one of the most terrifying thing that can happen to a school.


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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:49 am

    The shooter is dead (could have killed himself or was shot by police). He also killed his brother at home and his mother at the school, she was a teacher at the school.
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    Post by Sean Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:54 am

    Fucking hell, its just so senseless. I mean theres no way you can deny that the gun law is responsible for things like this, the ratio of school shootings that occur in America are far too high.
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    Post by arsenalap11 Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:56 am

    ahlycotc wrote:Inb4 Mustang and that other Republican say it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.

    I don't know how many more school shootings we need to see happen before the government takes a tougher stance.

    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:58 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:Inb4 Mustang and that other Republican say it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.

    I don't know how many more school shootings we need to see happen before the government takes a tougher stance.

    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.
    It's the principle of the matter that counts.
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    Post by Sean Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:59 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:Inb4 Mustang and that other Republican say it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.

    I don't know how many more school shootings we need to see happen before the government takes a tougher stance.

    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.

    Why does this thing happen so rarely in countries like England then?

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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:00 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:Inb4 Mustang and that other Republican say it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.

    I don't know how many more school shootings we need to see happen before the government takes a tougher stance.

    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.

    So let's make their task easier by giving them a better tool to kill people? This incident saw about 30 people dead. How far do you think this guy would have gone going around stabbing people or smashing their heads in with a baseball bat?
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    Post by arsenalap11 Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:04 am

    Sean wrote:
    arsenalap11 wrote:

    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.

    Why does this thing happen so rarely in countries like England then?


    No idea to be honest, obviously the difference in size is a big difference and of course having guns banned contributes but I don't think banning guns will stop this kind of thing in America, it will probably limit it a bit so i'm all for banning them but I don't think it'll just solve it.

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    I agree with them in a way. I still believe that people like this won't care if guns are banned or not, if they're this mental they'll find a way to get a gun, banned or unbanned.

    So let's make their task easier by giving them a better tool to kill people? This incident saw about 30 people dead. How far do you think this guy would have gone going around stabbing people or smashing their heads in with a baseball bat?

    Yea but that's not the point I made at all... it's pretty obvious that if they had a bat or a knife it wouldn't have been half as bad.
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    Post by Kuled Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:04 am

    That's just so messed up, RIP.
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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:06 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Sean wrote:

    Why does this thing happen so rarely in countries like England then?


    No idea to be honest, obviously the difference in size is a big difference and of course having guns banned contributes but I don't think banning guns will stop this kind of thing in America, it will probably limit it a bit so i'm all for banning them but I don't think it'll just solve it.

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    So let's make their task easier by giving them a better tool to kill people? This incident saw about 30 people dead. How far do you think this guy would have gone going around stabbing people or smashing their heads in with a baseball bat?

    Yea but that's not the point I made at all... it's pretty obvious that if they had a bat or a knife it wouldn't have been half as bad.

    Well of course you can't ever stop all gun crime from happening. But as we see in other countries, those that ban guns have far less gun related crimes than ones that don't.
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    Post by arsenalap11 Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:15 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    arsenalap11 wrote:

    No idea to be honest, obviously the difference in size is a big difference and of course having guns banned contributes but I don't think banning guns will stop this kind of thing in America, it will probably limit it a bit so i'm all for banning them but I don't think it'll just solve it.



    Yea but that's not the point I made at all... it's pretty obvious that if they had a bat or a knife it wouldn't have been half as bad.

    Well of course you can't ever stop all gun crime from happening. But as we see in other countries, those that ban guns have far less gun related crimes than ones that don't.

    Oh I know, but people act as if banning guns will solve it. It probably will in the long run, but not for a very long time.
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    Post by Muhkoo Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:28 am

    It just gives a feeling of pointlessness and its so incredibly sad that i at the same time as actually feeling terrible over this story i can't keep the thought away -When will another of these pointless shootings come around?-


    Gun debate already furiously on the way again, but i doubt its going to go anywhere, clearly there is insanity behind the weapons that is equally hard to control.
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    Post by SBSP Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:38 am

    How many shootings have there been in the past six months? It must be at least five or six.
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    Post by Muhkoo Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:20 am

    This year in US have been fairly regular with gun violence sadly, there was 2 separate occasions in august where 10 died in total, in July there was the batman cinema shooting where 12 died and another 7 in April.

    However amidst all the gun control talk (Which has little place in the grief period) i notice a gun nut i know again and again bring up the utøya shooting. The total of the "bigger" shootings in US this year isn't even close to the equally horrible day in Norway(However if you count all shootings in US per capita its still higher). Which just shows that even with a total gun control law (Hunting permit that needs to be renewed and military service being the exceptions) Which just brings me back to the bigger problem that is how do you prevent those types of people happening, it is near possibly to prevent the situations without having guards in any area of the country with a crowd. I'm sure more will come out about the family of this "kid/monster" soon but i doubt you can directly explain why someone would do this just based of things that happened.
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    Post by dena Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:43 am

    People always say, oh in the midst of this tragedy, let's refrain from politicizing this, well damn, when are we supposed to talk about this? Change has been a long time coming.


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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:50 am

    dena wrote:People always say, oh in the midst of this tragedy, let's refrain from politicizing this, well damn, when ate we supposed to talk about this? Charge had been a long time coming.

    This. It's not like the rest of the time when there isn't a tragic shooting, talk of gun control fully stops. It's one thing to go up to a victim of this tragedy and talk politics to them while they are grieving. It's another thing to talk about politics in a broad sense.
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    Post by dena Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:56 am

    By the way, my spell checker totally fucked me on that post.
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    Post by Mal Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:11 pm

    Total school shootings in US since Columbine: 31

    Rest of the world: 14



    oh god why
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    Post by SBSP Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:21 pm

    Mal wrote:Total school shootings in US since Columbine: 31

    Rest of the world: 14



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    Post by Muhkoo Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:23 pm

    dena wrote:People always say, oh in the midst of this tragedy, let's refrain from politicizing this, well damn, when are we supposed to talk about this? Change has been a long time coming.

    As long as its a thing, it should always be high priority. What i guess from the general phrase and what i meant is that both sides uses parts of the current case to bastardize the discussion/issue. If there are not direct and fresh entry points i believe a more sensible discussion and perhaps even a solution could be possible, at times like these it always starts up and dies out rather quickly although this time around there won't be a court case to drag through the media so maybe that will help. It has to start from the very top though Congress/Obama but losing the gun nut vote is maybe too dangerous for senators.
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    Glen Damon wrote:This is one of the most terrifying thing that can happen to a school.
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    Post by Jorlung Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:08 pm

    There you go people that are pro-guns. "Oh, even if guns are banned the killers will find ways to get gun!." The semi-automatic assault rifle, and the two handguns both belonged to the mother of the shooter. He would not have been in possession of those weapons if his mother hadn't bought them.

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