Bob Costas Rants on Gun Control After NFL Murder-Suicide

And... a response backed up with statistical data.






Discuss.

This really puts NFL into perspective.

Turned off the second video when he said the Javon Belcher death wasn't a tragedy and called him a self-important monster.

Aye, I didn't agree with him there either, but the statistics are the interesting part of the discussion.

Theo Filippo wrote:This really puts NFL into perspective.

Zzonked wrote:Turned off the second video when he said the Javon Belcher death wasn't a tragedy and called him a self-important monster.

I agree. The details are coming out and they are not good, he just came from his side chicks house to his own house, then got into a dispute with his girlfriend accusing her of cheating (we don't know the truth of that), then murdered her...

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/12/here-are-a-few-of-the-final-text-messages-that-jovan-belcher-sent-before-killing-his-girlfriend-and-himself

As the details come out it brings light to who this man really is. I won't feel sorry for him.

Costas needs to shut up and keep his liberal bullshit out of sports.

Chances are, if Jovan Belcher, an NFL linebacker who is what? 6'5 240? was mad enough to shoot his girlfriend 9 times, then he was mad enough to stab her to death, strangle her, or just snap her neck.

Costas should look to Chicago. They banned guns and it's really had a huge impact there....by that of course I mean the most gun deaths in the country.

dena wrote:

Zzonked wrote:Turned off the second video when he said the Javon Belcher death wasn't a tragedy and called him a self-important monster.

I agree. The details are coming out and they are not good, he just came from his side chicks house to his own house, then got into a dispute with his girlfriend accusing her of cheating (we don't know the truth of that), then murdered her...

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/12/here-are-a-few-of-the-final-text-messages-that-jovan-belcher-sent-before-killing-his-girlfriend-and-himself

As the details come out it brings light to who this man really is. I won't feel sorry for him.

I suppose, but it still doesn't mean it's good he's gone. There was obviously something wrong with him, that alone is sort of sad.

http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2004104727_gaillard03.html

Wow an article from the Seattle Times that's exceedingly liberal and wants to ban our constitutional rights? Shocker.

Not to mention they post a picture of an M16....haha...Civilians dont have fully automatic guns. They are banned. Pistols are not. And banning pistols does not work, that's been proven by idiot cities like Chicago.

And, again: If he was mad enough to shoot her 9 times, he was mad enough to kill her in another manner and the gun wouldn't be required.

The thing is a gun shot is instant death if done properly, you can't stop that.

If you beat someone or try to strangle someone then there is always that small window of opportunity to actually think 'wtf am I doing?' and stop.

Gun crime isn't common in the UK if you want to use that example Mustang.

That's a good point, actually.

In this specific example though, he didn't stop he continued and shot her 8 more times. That's enough anger to strangle somebody and that doesn't take long either, and often times is a crime of passion/anger/emotion.

And that's a fair point about the UK as well. But in this instance Costas was talking about how we need more gun controland blablabla but it doesn't work like that here. If criminals want guns, making them illegal won't stop them from getting guns, as they're already criminals. It will only stop law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

No that theory is flawed. As has been said, the UK has tight gun control and the gun crime rate is low. Banning guns won't put an end to gun related crime, but it will reduce it. Guns are just easy tools to kill and provide no other purpose but to kill.

Guns deter people, they're used for defense, they're used for hunting.

And this isn't the UK boys. Guns aren't going to be banned here and that's a good thing. It's a constitutional right.

Drugs are illegal but people still get and sell all types of those, all the time, all over the country. It doesn't work and won't work with guns.

So what if it's a constitutional right? First of all, read the link I posted. Second of all, the constitution can and should be changed. It's not written in stone. Would someone have a good argument decades ago about not having women or blacks vote?

Mustangt125 wrote:Drugs are illegal but people still get and sell all types of those, all the time, all over the country. It doesn't work and won't work with guns.

In theory, though, if guns are banned, the black market price for firearms will increase greatly.

Surely you see the quite STARK contrast in denying another human being the same basic liberties I would have and telling them what they can and cannot privately own...?

In theory, though, if guns are banned, the black market price for firearms will increase greatly.
It won't matter. And never enough to stop criminals from acquiring them.

Mustangt125 wrote:In theory, though, if guns are banned, the black market price for firearms will increase greatly.
It won't matter. And never enough to stop criminals from acquiring them.

It will matter, the ultimate goal is to get as many people away from the dangerous things that are guns. To say that people actually believe that we can completely eradicate the existence of guns is a complete exaggeration. The goal should be to limit the problem as much as possible.

Mustangt125 wrote:Surely you see the quite STARK contrast in denying another human being the same basic liberties I would have and telling them what they can and cannot privately own...?

What about drugs then?

That's still a very large proportion of the homicides that come from firearms, well over half.

Republicans are awful when it comes to getting their points across with graphs. They usually end up contradicting themselves or giving more strength to the other side of the argument.

Tobacco, alcohol, and other harmful drugs should be banned or restricted. All of the other causes on that graph are unintentional.