Arsenal V Tottenham

19Jones19v wrote:Won't be suprised if United drew and Chelsea lost along with City drawing tomorrow.

They will all win, more likely.

birmingham 1-0 chelsea

Fabianski - Shoulda done well for their 3rd.
Sagna - Ok
Koscielny - Nob
Squillaci - Fine
Clichy - Nice
Song - Average
Fabregas - My boyfriend in the first half, my spiper target in the second
Denilson - Average as usuall
Nasri - Quality
Chamakh - Shite bar the goal
Arshavin - Average

Walcott - Shite
Van Persie - Shite
Rosicky - Shite

Didn't take our chances in the first half cos Chamakh would rather wait for Tottenham to get 10 men behind the ball rather than running at goal when theres only a keeper to beat. Not to mention we created 0 chances in the added 5 minutes. When Chamakh was on, we played it on the ground which didn't suit him, when Van Persie was on, we played it in the air, which didn't suit him! Absolute fuckin bollox! We should have scored 4 in the first half, we tore Spurs apart. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we sit back in the second half and everyone pushes forward for the first, Fabregas played volleyball for their second and another set-piece goal against us. What can I say.. Whenever we get a chance to go up, we can't be assed. We need a World Class keeper, center half and striker, FACT. 3 losses out of 5 at home, lovely jubbly. Our keepers have already cost us over 6 points this season. We don't have a striker who will score 25+ goals, and we don't have a rock center half to pair with Vermaelen when he's back. Each of them cost the losses at home to WBA and Newcastle. You may think waawaawaa you say it after every loss, but it's the truth. We aint winning nothing big with 1 top quality player who is leaving in the summer anyway, and V.Persie isn't gonna be fit all season long is he. Not takin anything away from Tottenham though, quality in the second half at what they tried to do.
Why do I bother.

It's as if Chamakh is scared to attack players when it's a one on one. To be fair to Van Persie, you can't judge him. The service he received was poor. If he had played some part against Everton last week the he would have certainly be ready fo Spurs today. Van Perise needs to be in the starting line up, how much longer does he have to start on the bench for goodness sake.

Wow is all I can say. We just threw this game away. There is no way we should be giving away 2 goal leads at home.

I can't believe our home form is so terrible this year.

V.Persie just didn't seem the same player though. His first touches are usually perfect and today they were awful. I know he's come back from an injury but he played time against Newcastle and the second half in the week. From how we played in the first half, to me, Theo would have been perfect. Running onto balls and running at defenders.

Chamakh was a bad buy, although he was free... we should have bought a world class striker or atleast a decent striker who takes his chances like Gyan

You can't really knock Robin he hasn't played in forever.

I personally don't blame this on one person because the team was absolutely shit in the 2nd half. Its as if we went on cruise control thinking that Tottenham would just lay down and die.

You would think this crop of players would know better considering in recent years Tottenham have given us the business at Emirates with the exception of that beating we gave them last season at home.

Walcott wrote:V.Persie just didn't seem the same player though. His first touches are usually perfect and today they were awful. I know he's come back from an injury but he played time against Newcastle and the second half in the week. From how we played in the first half, to me, Theo would have been perfect. Running onto balls and running at defenders.

He only failed to control one ball that was lofted up to him, he certainly looked a lot liver than Chamakh tbh. Yeah he came on against Newcastle, but that's all from the bench. It's difficult to do that. If he doesn't start in midweek against whoever we've got then I don't know wht Wenger's thinking. Now we have to start all over again, as I've said before we are a much better team away from home.

Bear wrote:Chamakh was a bad buy, although he was free... we should have bought a world class striker or atleast a decent striker who takes his chances like Gyan

Um no. Chamakh has been excellent for us this season (his first season mind you) so to say he was a buy signing is just flat out ignorant. He has wrapped up points for us in numerous games and now we lose to Tottenham and suddenly he's a bad signing?

That's fickle.

Im not knocking V.Persie, but for his quality, he should have least be having a decent touch considering his first touch is quality when he's at his best.
Their first goal, defenders went missing on the right side of the pitch, and Defoe won a header Second was a penalty fine, and 3rd, I do really think Fabianski could have done better, if not a defender getting there before Kaboul.

AriseForLife wrote:

Bear wrote:Chamakh was a bad buy, although he was free... we should have bought a world class striker or atleast a decent striker who takes his chances like Gyan

Um no. Chamakh has been excellent for us this season (his first season mind you) so to say he was a buy signing is just flat out ignorant. He has wrapped up points for us in numerous games and now we lose to Tottenham and suddenly he's a bad signing?

That's fickle.

For someone to arrive in the premier league and make that much of an impact you have to be good, but that's all he has really been.... nothing great. I've been saying it from the start, he's not the striker we need. We play it on the ground, and when we do play it in the air he's fumbling goals or getting out muscled. Wenger and Chamakh have stated themselves that he's a player to improve but thats not what we really need when we should be challenging for titles, especially at 26.

He's not really class and even by next season i don't see him turning into a class act

I think our team were in for a grilling after the match, I have never seen Wenger do what he did to a bottle today.. empty it, smash it, throw it and the lid. We know he likes bottles.. Old Trafford last year comes to mind..

French git forgot to empty/close the bottle before throwing it.

Bear wrote:
For someone to arrive in the premier league and make that much of an impact you have to be good, but that's all he has really been.... nothing great. I've been saying it from the start, he's not the striker we need. We play it on the ground, and when we do play it in the air he's fumbling goals or getting out muscled. Wenger and Chamakh have stated themselves that he's a player to improve but thats not what we really need when we should be challenging for titles, especially at 26.

He's not really class and even by next season i don't see him turning into a class act

He wasn't brought in with the hopes of being our Henry. He wasn't a world class player in France and he won't be one in England, but he is a good player and good enough to partner Van Persie.

Also you have to remember that he wasn't an attack minded forward in France, his game is more of a lay off and play off others game so people shouldn't expect him to suddenly be this all out attack minded forward like Henry or Torres, etc.

What he is has nothing to do with us not challenging or challenging for titles. The same things were happening to us before he arrived. We were losing games last season at home and this season its just been more of the same typical Arsenal. This lose is on the team as a whole and even though certain players look like shit, ultimately the team failed to show up in the 2nd half of the match.

Deserved to lose, the team were too confident with the 2-0 lead, Walcott did nothing. It was a shambles in that second half.

AriseForLife wrote:

Bear wrote:
For someone to arrive in the premier league and make that much of an impact you have to be good, but that's all he has really been.... nothing great. I've been saying it from the start, he's not the striker we need. We play it on the ground, and when we do play it in the air he's fumbling goals or getting out muscled. Wenger and Chamakh have stated themselves that he's a player to improve but thats not what we really need when we should be challenging for titles, especially at 26.

He's not really class and even by next season i don't see him turning into a class act

He wasn't brought in with the hopes of being our Henry. He wasn't a world class player in France and he won't be one in England, but he is a good player and good enough to partner Van Persie.

Also you have to remember that he wasn't an attack minded forward in France, his game is more of a lay off and play off others game so people shouldn't expect him to suddenly be this all out attack minded forward like Henry or Torres, etc.

What he is has nothing to do with us not challenging or challenging for titles. The same things were happening to us before he arrived. We were losing games last season at home and this season its just been more of the same typical Arsenal. This lose is on the team as a whole and even though certain players look like shit, ultimately the team failed to show up in the 2nd half of the match.

We don't need a good striker, we need a great striker who should atleast be scoring 18+ and Chamakh will never be that guy which was what i was saying when he was in France. Yes i know, horrible team performance... he out of our 11 probably performed better than 7 of our players but generally he's not that striker is he

Chamahk has 6 now I think I don't see what's stopping him getting 18+.

Typical Arsenal.

Couldn't believe it, Spurs proved me wrong.

VdV!

Bear wrote:
We don't need a good striker, we need a great striker who should atleast be scoring 18+ and Chamakh will never be that guy which was what i was saying when he was in France. Yes i know, horrible team performance... he out of our 11 probably performed better than 7 of our players but generally he's not that striker is he

I don't agree. We don't need a great striker. We need a striker that can play within the means of our team and score when called upon and Chamakh thus far as done exactly that.

Chamakh has 6 goals in 13 games so I don't see any reason he can't score 20 goals this season. With our midfield we do not need to have a world-beating striker like we did with Henry or like Chelsea does with Drogba. Today is a perfect example that scoring is why we lose games. Lack of mental fortitude and changing to a coast gear because we are up 2-0 is why we lost. I'm even sure why Chamakh is even being brought up.

Bear wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:

Bear wrote:
For someone to arrive in the premier league and make that much of an impact you have to be good, but that's all he has really been.... nothing great. I've been saying it from the start, he's not the striker we need. We play it on the ground, and when we do play it in the air he's fumbling goals or getting out muscled. Wenger and Chamakh have stated themselves that he's a player to improve but thats not what we really need when we should be challenging for titles, especially at 26.

He's not really class and even by next season i don't see him turning into a class act

He wasn't brought in with the hopes of being our Henry. He wasn't a world class player in France and he won't be one in England, but he is a good player and good enough to partner Van Persie.

Also you have to remember that he wasn't an attack minded forward in France, his game is more of a lay off and play off others game so people shouldn't expect him to suddenly be this all out attack minded forward like Henry or Torres, etc.

What he is has nothing to do with us not challenging or challenging for titles. The same things were happening to us before he arrived. We were losing games last season at home and this season its just been more of the same typical Arsenal. This lose is on the team as a whole and even though certain players look like shit, ultimately the team failed to show up in the 2nd half of the match.

We don't need a good striker, we need a great striker who should atleast be scoring 18+ and Chamakh will never be that guy which was what i was saying when he was in France. Yes i know, horrible team performance... he out of our 11 probably performed better than 7 of our players but generally he's not that striker is he

Chamakh has done well IMO.

Put in a few decisive goals for Arsenal too...ripping on him just because you guys lost isn't fair to him at all.

On a free, it was a great transfer.

Who else would Arsenal have signed? The team now is more based on a team effort, than having like a Henry score everything. Goals come from everywhere.

Chamakh has done well, but he needs to be more of a predator imo, like when he gets a chance to run into the box, he should then he'd be much more dangerous imo.

kyro7 wrote:

Kuled wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Kuled wrote:Hope spurs can get something out of this!

why are you laughing

More chance of Wigan getting something out of us.

Kyro... you got merked by Kuled

kyro7 wrote:Chamakh has done well, but he needs to be more of a predator imo, like when he gets a chance to run into the box, he should then he'd be much more dangerous imo.

It would be nice, but I don't see that happening. It isn't impossible though considering Arsene is the master of helping players adapt their style of play.

How did you throw that game away?

Can't wait for the commemerative DVD.

Typical Arsenal.