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    Loyalty in football is dead - and why should we care?

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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:47 am

    Reservedness is not often a character trait attributed to Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who appears to have a knack of saying, or doing, the wrong thing.

    The mercurial AC Milan striker is never too far away from some sort of controversy, and now risks attracting the ire of Arsenal supporters after his latest comments.

    Ibrahimovic inspired Milan to a 4-0 win over the Gunners on Wednesday night, and will further unsettle the north London club after claiming Robin van Persie should quit Arsenal in order to further his career.




    The Arsenal captain is out of contract at the end of next season and, so far, has yet to provide a clear indication that he will remain at the Emirates Stadium.

    After a quite incredible 12 months or so in front of goal, Van Persie will surely have no shortage of suitors as his deal with Arsenal nears expiration.

    And Ibrahimovic believes the decision that Van Persie should make is perfectly clear.

    "When you don't win anything for years, people understand why you leave like Cesc Fabregas," Ibrahimovic told The Sun.

    "Football is all about winning. If you don't win you want to go. I don't know Robin personally but I remember him from Holland and what a talent he was and now he is complete.

    "I don't know what he is thinking but I know what I would do.

    "I have made a lot of moves in my life. I take it as a challenge, an adventure.

    "And I have won eight titles in eight years with different clubs in different countries.

    "But if you stay in one place all your life it is easy to play football.

    "You are at home, you are in the comfort zone.

    "But if you move to five different places it is a real test. If you succeed that's when you become a real champion, that's when you get more respect."

    Although this may be the opinion of only one player, it serves as evidence that loyalty in football really is a thing of the past - and why should that be a surprise?

    Even though he has not expressed his opinion in the most appropriate of manners, Ibrahimovic does make an extremely valid point when it comes to the aspirations of a professional football player.

    The key motivating factors for an elite player are clear: winning and making as much money as possible. And who can blame them for that?

    The career of a player at the top level rarely lasts any more than a decade, so striving to achieve as much as possible - both personally and professionally - in that time is often what marks out the great from the good.

    It is, perhaps, very much an English mentality that as soon as a player aspires to success away from his club he his branded disloyal, in spite of previous achievements.

    But the need for loyalty is not a pre-requisite of becoming a professional footballer, and those with the greatest ambition are often those who achieve the most.

    As far as Van Persie is concerned, he will need to make the decision that suits both him and his family best, and this summer could prove to be a pivotal time for the 28-year-old.

    And, should he decide that his future is away from Arsenal, the surely he should be admired for his ambition rather than castigated for unfaithfulness.

    Loyalty in football is dead, and it's time everyone got used to it.

    source: http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/loyalty-in-football-is-dead---and-why-should-we-ca



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    Post by crump Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:48 am

    People are also shying more from the fact Football is no longer a sport, it's a business used for making lots of money for fat cats.
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:48 am

    He is not wrong, put yourself in van Persie's shoes. He is starting to get frustrated now.
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    Post by Van Wolfswinkel Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:58 am

    Loyalty shall not be dead until Shola leaves.
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    Post by jeb4eva Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:09 am

    Don't take any notice to Jessie J - it's all about the money! Awesome Face
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    Post by easley91 Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:16 am

    Loyalty is not dead until the King leaves his throne.
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:26 am

    The disloyal thing is so stupid. Of course a footballer is going want to go on to bigger and better things. Look at all the Latin American footballers, is every single one of them that has gone off to play in Europe, disloyal to his club? Of course not.

    Just because Hernandez left Chivas for a bigger better club doesn't mean he's disloyal to Chivas, it just means he wanted to advance in his career. Whatever he does in United doesn't take away from anything he did with Chivas.

    It's why I think how much hate Torres gets is unwarranted. After giving Liverpool some of his best years(now looking like his best years)Torres moved on to a bigger better club to further his career. It's not working out right now but at the time it must have seemed like a no brainer. Same with Andy Carroll moving to Liverpool from Newcastle. As a footballer these are just things you have to do advance your career.

    Imagine young footballers refusing to join some professional football team's academy because they feel they should stay loyal to their high school football team. Laughing

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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:32 am

    Most of the Torres hate is gone, it was mostly heat of the moment.. it's been replaced by pity.
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    Post by Zzonked Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:43 am

    crump wrote:People are also shying more from the fact Football is no longer a sport, it's a business used for making lots of money for fat cats.

    That's not really true. Football clubs don't make much money at all, even the most profitable football clubs pail in comparison to even meagre sized businesses in other fields.

    Unless you mean the TV networks.
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:48 am

    This suddenly became a hot topic over there because a cocky Serie A player said something about trophies?
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    Post by Childish Logic Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:57 am

    Ché Guayaba wrote:The disloyal thing is so stupid. Of course a footballer is going want to go on to bigger and better things. Look at all the Latin American footballers, is every single one of them that has gone off to play in Europe, disloyal to his club? Of course not.

    Just because Hernandez left Chivas for a bigger better club doesn't mean he's disloyal to Chivas, it just means he wanted to advance in his career. Whatever he does in United doesn't take away from anything he did with Chivas.

    It's why I think how much hate Torres gets is unwarranted. After giving Liverpool some of his best years(now looking like his best years)Torres moved on to a bigger better club to further his career. It's not working out right now but at the time it must have seemed like a no brainer. Same with Andy Carroll moving to Liverpool from Newcastle. As a footballer these are just things you have to do advance your career.

    Imagine young footballers refusing to join some professional football team's academy because they feel they should stay loyal to their high school football team. Laughing


    Doesn't work that way my friend. I could of forgiven Torres going oversea to italy or Spain to further is career but he left to a team in the same league.


    Imagine if your best player went to another team in the league and then said he is finally at a top club.


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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:46 am

    So if Wigans best player joined Man Utd he isn't furthering his career just because both teams are in the same league?


    Torres left a mid table PL side with a great history and some good few years behind it; albeit those years were lucky and only happened due to Rafa.

    He furthered his career by joining a team chasing for the title and a team that was playing in Europe
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    Post by Muhkoo Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:48 am

    Get used to it with Ajax, we fans mostly stay loyal to our players unless they join another of the big dutch clubs. Most Ajax fans were ofc cheering on Milan the other day beating Arsenal with Feyenoord scum up front, Zlatan, Emanuelson and Seedorf all former Ajax players
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:50 am

    NZG wrote:
    Ché Guayaba wrote:The disloyal thing is so stupid. Of course a footballer is going want to go on to bigger and better things. Look at all the Latin American footballers, is every single one of them that has gone off to play in Europe, disloyal to his club? Of course not.

    Just because Hernandez left Chivas for a bigger better club doesn't mean he's disloyal to Chivas, it just means he wanted to advance in his career. Whatever he does in United doesn't take away from anything he did with Chivas.

    It's why I think how much hate Torres gets is unwarranted. After giving Liverpool some of his best years(now looking like his best years)Torres moved on to a bigger better club to further his career. It's not working out right now but at the time it must have seemed like a no brainer. Same with Andy Carroll moving to Liverpool from Newcastle. As a footballer these are just things you have to do advance your career.

    Imagine young footballers refusing to join some professional football team's academy because they feel they should stay loyal to their high school football team. Laughing


    Doesn't work that way my friend. I could of forgiven Torres going oversea to italy or Spain to further is career but he left to a team in the same league.


    Imagine if your best player went to another team in the league and then said he is finally at a top club.

    Which fucking Italian side were going to give Liverpool £50m for Fernando Torres? Liverpool Football Club reduced his potential destinations to 2, possibly 3 places, all in England, by demanding such a ridiculous price for him, you can't blame him for taking one of them. Barcelona wouldn't want him and he would never move to Real Madrid.

    And what the fuck do you expect him to say? 'I'm sad to have moved to a smaller club, but hey, the money's better!', what?

    The reaction to Torres's departure was absolutely pathetic.
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    Post by Lux Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:48 pm

    Muhkoo wrote:Get used to it with Ajax, we fans mostly stay loyal to our players unless they join another of the big dutch clubs. Most Ajax fans were ofc cheering on Milan the other day beating Arsenal with Feyenoord scum up front, Zlatan, Emanuelson and Seedorf all former Ajax players

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    Post by Childish Logic Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:44 pm

    Billy Davies wrote:So if Wigans best player joined Man Utd he isn't furthering his career just because both teams are in the same league?


    Torres left a mid table PL side with a great history and some good few years behind it; albeit those years were lucky and only happened due to Rafa.

    He furthered his career by joining a team chasing for the title and a team that was playing in Europe

    So comparing wigan to liverpool neuclap

    Also we weren't a midtable club so fuck off with that nonsense.

    We were just taken over by new owners and had been getting good results. Promised injection of cash for transfers and we were seen to be on the rise.

    The jump between liverpool and chelsea isn't much, If his main motivation was just for furthering his career then it was a shitty choice.
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    Post by Andrés Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 pm

    NZG wrote:
    Ché Guayaba wrote:The disloyal thing is so stupid. Of course a footballer is going want to go on to bigger and better things. Look at all the Latin American footballers, is every single one of them that has gone off to play in Europe, disloyal to his club? Of course not.

    Just because Hernandez left Chivas for a bigger better club doesn't mean he's disloyal to Chivas, it just means he wanted to advance in his career. Whatever he does in United doesn't take away from anything he did with Chivas.

    It's why I think how much hate Torres gets is unwarranted. After giving Liverpool some of his best years(now looking like his best years)Torres moved on to a bigger better club to further his career. It's not working out right now but at the time it must have seemed like a no brainer. Same with Andy Carroll moving to Liverpool from Newcastle. As a footballer these are just things you have to do advance your career.

    Imagine young footballers refusing to join some professional football team's academy because they feel they should stay loyal to their high school football team. Laughing


    Doesn't work that way my friend. I could of forgiven Torres going oversea to italy or Spain to further is career but he left to a team in the same league.


    Imagine if your best player went to another team in the league and then said he is finally at a top club.


    Why should Torres be loyal to Liverpool? He's not even from England, he's an Atlético Madrid fan from Spain.

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