Would Suarez still get picked if he wasn't a cheating cunt?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I was listening to The Game Podcast this morning and Patrick Barclay brought up an interesting point. He was talking about Luis Suarez, and how is the worst cheat he has ever seen. He performs studs up tackles on opposition defenders, gets them sent off for fine tackles, abuses the linesmen, racially abuses opponents, constantly pesters referees, bites opponents, pulls opponents hair, cheats African countries out of the World Cup etc., and that's just what we know about. Now obviously Kenneth Dalglish encourages this sort of thing, Suarez would never get away with it at a club like Manchester United, who have a more honourable club culture, and a manager who has forced players to stop diving in the past, but we already knew all that, we knew that that shower of bastards have no honour, dignity or sportsmanship.

The point that Barclay brought up that I found interesting was that Suarez would be nowhere near as good if he didn't do all of these things. Suarez is very good at beating players, in more ways than one, but how much of that is down to them losing concentration because of all of Suarez's shenanigans? How much of it is down to being terrified of tackling him because they know he will try to get them sent off, especially if they are black, and giving him more space as a result? How much of it is down to the players actually being sent off?

I'm not saying Kenneth wouldn't pick this guy if he was a true sportsman, I'm just posing the question, I think it's worth considering - what do you guys think?

Scott wrote:Reported for slander.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I was listening to The Game Podcast this morning and Patrick Barclay brought up an interesting point. He was talking about Luis Suarez, and how is the worst cheat he has ever seen. He performs studs up tackles on opposition defenders, gets them sent off for fine tackles, abuses the linesmen, racially abuses opponents, constantly pesters referees, bites opponents, pulls opponents hair, cheats African countries out of the World Cup etc., and that's just what we know about. Now obviously Kenneth Dalglish encourages this sort of thing, Suarez would never get away with it at a club like Manchester United, who have a more honourable club culture, and a manager who has forced players to stop diving in the past, but we already knew all that, we knew that that shower of bastards have no honour, dignity or sportsmanship.

The point that Barclay brought up that I found interesting was that Suarez would be nowhere near as good if he didn't do all of these things. Suarez is very good at beating players, in more ways than one, but how much of that is down to them losing concentration because of all of Suarez's shenanigans? How much of it is down to being terrified of tackling him because they know he will try to get them sent off, especially if they are black, and giving him more space as a result? How much of it is down to the players actually being sent off?

I'm not saying Kenneth wouldn't pick this guy if he was a true sportsman, I'm just posing the question, I think it's worth considering - what do you guys think?

Wait, they said that on "The Game"? What the heck....


Anyway, clearly his play-acting and antics have a psycological effect on other players, that sometimes help his game. However, he clearly has the technique and on the ball ability to be a good and not to mention important player for just about any team in the world. He is easily Liverpools "best" player so he'd obviously still be picked.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

Sean wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

He would though, lets be honest here.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

kyro7 wrote:

Hernandez

Suarez - Rooney - Nani

kyro7 wrote:

Hernandez

Suarez - Rooney - Nani

Kuled wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Hernandez

Suarez - Rooney - Nani

Oh lawd.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He wouldn't get a sniff at United, even if he was better than Rooney or Berbatov, Ferguson wouldn't pick a player like that, it'd defile the good name of Manchester United. He's not a better wide player than Nani, Valencia or Young either.

VDVSpurs11 wrote:

Kuled wrote:Oh lawd.

What?

LiamB_14 wrote:An excellent discussion point, Patrick Barclay seems to be an intelligent man, sparking excellent debates such as this.

Clearly the man is correct, it has been obvious all along, and only the fact that Suarez plays for a smaller club such as Liverpool, has this remained under the radar from lots of people. Had Suarez played for a bigger club with the stature of Manchester United, he would be instantly recognised as the biggest diver in the league.

Just another example of what Liverpool can get away with. It does nothing but damage the honour and integrity of the club, however, and I would think that most genuine fans of football would see Liverpool as a negative football club. Every time a player joins them they seem to obtain dirty tactics

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Sean wrote:

He would though, lets be honest here.

OK, ahead of who? If you take United's first choice XI As this

Carrick Anderson Fletcher

Nani Rooney Young

Or this

Carrick Giggs
Nani------Rooney-----Young
Hernandez

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