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    Society to blame for racism problem within football?

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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:18 am

    Former Liverpool star John Barnes says society is to blame for racism problem that football just can't shift

    Former Liverpool star John Barnes says society is to blame for racism problem that football just can't shift
    John Barnes, the former England international who endured racist abuse during his distinguished career, admits he is “not surprised’’ by the latest ugly incidents because football reflects a society taking time to shed ingrained prejudices.

    ‘’I’m not condoning what Sepp Blatter has said or John Terry, if he’s proven to be guilty,’’ Barnes said. “I think Blatter should resign over many things, and this is just one. But those thoughts are based on stereotypical views drummed into us over a long period of time.

    “People have been told for 400 years since slavery that black people aren’t as intelligent as white.
    “White players always said to me: ‘You can call me ‘a white so and so’, I don’t mind’. But that’s because society has indoctrinated us over the past 400 years to think that that’s like saying ‘you handsome so and so’. That’s why white players aren’t offended. They’re empowered. Black people aren’t empowered; 99 per cent of black individuals would be offended being called ‘a black so and so’ because we’ve had 400 years of being dehumanised.

    “We don’t know whether the allegations about John Terry and Luis Suárez are true. What we do know is that it’s happened before. The words they are alleged to have said have been said in the past year but it hasn’t been reported. Now and then there’s an incident and people are surprised. I’m not. I know it’s there.

    “Any black player knows this. We’ve played against players, got into an altercation, looked him in the eye, he’s not said anything, but you know he’s thinking “you black ----’. He wants to say it but doesn’t because he knows he’ll get into trouble. That happens very often. When I played they actually said it. They called me n----- to my face. It happened in training, in matches. Any black player of my generation had it. In 1984 with England in Brazil, I had it with the National Front.”

    Four years later, the then Liverpool winger was targeted by Everton fans at Goodison Park.

    “I had bananas thrown at me and monkey chants at West Ham and Millwall five years before that Everton game but because it was a high-profile match everyone took notice. It had been going on for ages. There wasn’t a game in the Eighties when you didn’t get racial abuse as a black player. I got racist abuse at Liverpool when I played for Watford. Then I played for Liverpool and didn’t get it. If I had played for Everton against Liverpool then maybe the Liverpool fans would have racially abused me.

    “A lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon now about Blatter, saying he’s wrong – and he is. But if you want to have a South African-style Truth and Reconciliation Commission, get in every manager and player who is over 40 and ask them: ‘Say you have never used the N-word?’ Most won’t be able to. Much more than 75 per cent of people back then in the Eighties would have.
    “But people could not get under my skin. I’m a middle-class Jamaican boy and where I was brought up in Jamaica [in a wealthy military household] I was not meant to feel second-class. If I was brought up in England, I’d possibly see things differently. Ian Wright dealt with racism differently to how I did.

    “Racism’s still a big problem in football. Racism can be invisible. How many black managers in England are there? Two. Black managers are given very short periods of time because people don’t believe they are up to the job. That’s racism. It’s not just a white thing. Look at the hierarchy of black African football who believe European coaches are better than black African. They treat black coaches with disdain. There’s this black dynamic of not feeling good enough.

    “We are all racist to a certain extent. We all make presumptions about other people based on their colour, culture or ethnicity in variable degrees. We judge people even on their accents. When Eric Cantona said what he said about trawlers and seagulls, he’s a philosopher because of the French accent. It sounds intelligent. If Paul Merson said it in his Cockney accent, we’d say he was talking rubbish.

    “Race, for me, should be social and cultural, rather than the colour of your skin. Anton Ferdinand would have more in common with John Terry than he does with some West African from Nigeria. John Terry will have more in common with Anton Ferdinand than a Slav from Eastern Europe who happens to be white. Racism is such a complex subject.”

    So what’s the way ahead? “Football can do nothing about getting rid of racism. Society has to [do it], through education and people understanding why they feel the way they do. Prejudice is a problem all over the world. I’m surprised when I see black people in the higher echelons of society. I know the most powerful man in the world is black [Barack Obama] but 400 years of indoctrination into thinking about a group of people as inferior is not going to change overnight. There was the human rights movement in the 1960s and yet 20 years ago we were still being racially abused – and it was accepted.”

    Now 48, Barnes does see hope for the future. “My children don’t get racially abused. There’s a new British culture; those from 10 to 25 now identify with each other, whether black, white, Indian, Chinese.

    “Black kids once upon a time would hold on to their West Indian or African identity because of their parents. Black kids now are British. Indian girls are wearing miniskirts and going out dancing. White kids are listening to black music. We are going through a transitional period.’’ Leaving the unreconstructed likes of Blatter behind.
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    Post by Scouser_Dave Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:21 am

    Another thread on racism, great Neutral
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:40 am

    Article just repeats what most people know. The only people who think this is football's problem are the people who don't realise that these people are normal human beings like you and I. It also bugs me how people think footballers aren't capable of certain things, just because they have a highly paid job. There are murderers, racists, homophobes, xenophobes which isn't even the sad part. The sad part is when thousands of people support these players simply because they play for a football club they like. Apparently, people value football over people's lives and a civilised country.


    Roy Keane - ruined people's lives, Man U fans treat him like a hero.
    Cantona - Kicks people in the face, Man U fans treat him like a hero.
    Suarez - Racially abuses and assaults people, Liverpool fans treat him like a hero.
    Van Persie - Goes around assualting people, Arsenal fans treat him like a hero.
    Terry - Racially abuses people, ruins lives. Adored by Chelsea fans.
    Lee Hughes - Murderer, Notts County fans sing his name and adore him.



    Now if any of these people did this to your family or friends, you'd hate them. Yet because they play for your team, you're fine with them doing all of this providing it doesn't affect your life. You're just selfish pricks.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:29 am

    lol @ football being talked about like it's bigger than society itself.
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    Post by Mouse Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:04 am

    RobbieSavageIsA... wrote:lol @ football being talked about like it's bigger than society itself.
    eek
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:16 am

    Mc Babel wrote:
    RobbieSavageIsA... wrote:lol @ football being talked about like it's bigger than society itself.
    eek

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    Post by Paulinho Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:17 am

    Is this thread for srs?

    Society is to blame for racism full stop?????
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:20 am

    psyroukis wrote:Is this thread for srs?

    Society is to blame for racism full stop?????

    I swear to God you're quickly becoming the dumbest cunt on this forum.

    Congratulations.
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    Post by Gegilworld93 Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:24 am

    no just Chelsea fans.
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    Post by Paulinho Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:35 am

    luke. wrote:
    psyroukis wrote:Is this thread for srs?

    Society is to blame for racism full stop?????

    I swear to God you're quickly becoming the dumbest cunt on this forum.

    Congratulations.

    Prove it
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    Post by SpiritOfShankly Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:46 am

    Has nobody spoke about the claims that Chelsea fans racist slur about Sturridge?
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:49 am

    psyroukis wrote:
    luke. wrote:

    I swear to God you're quickly becoming the dumbest cunt on this forum.

    Congratulations.

    Prove it

    Every post I have seen you make proves it.
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    Post by Paulinho Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:52 am

    Using your logic, which requires no proof. I could say the exact same about you...
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:53 am

    psyroukis wrote:Using your logic, which requires no proof. I could say the exact same about you...

    You could, but you'd be wrong.
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    Post by Rodallega Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:54 am

    Gegilworld93 wrote:no just Chelsea fans.

    Agreed, nothing to do with the thousands of Arsenal fans who racially abused Adebayor
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    Post by Paulinho Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:55 am

    luke. wrote:
    psyroukis wrote:Using your logic, which requires no proof. I could say the exact same about you...

    You could, but you'd be wrong.

    And by that logic, so could you
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    Post by Lux Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:28 am

    Fuck this shit.

    I am not accountable for anything anyone did over the past 400 years. Black people equally do not have the right to feel sorry for themselves because of the past when they weren't even alive.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:47 am

    Look at the hierarchy of black African football who believe European coaches are better than black African. They treat black coaches with disdain. There’s this black dynamic of not feeling good enough.

    that's fucking stupid the reason people think European coaches are better is because they manage in a better leagues not because their black
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    Post by Jordi Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:54 am

    Is this from the Telegraph? shifty
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:42 am

    Yes.

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