Anybody Still Think England can win anything with Capello and this team?

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:Barry out
Glen Johnson out, but for who?

When everyones fit the team should look like this

Hart

G.Johnson
Terry
Ferdinand
A.Cole

Huddlestone (CDM)
Gerrard and Wilshere centre mid

Front three of Defoe, Walcott and Adam Johnson

Rooney's not struggling from any injury so as of now he should be dropped

Stick Phil Jones in at RB, he'd do a job.

:|Wilshere's creativity and Walcott's burst of pace which actually scares defenders. Jones at right back? has he played there before?

Ah yes, Walcott's burst of pace with no end product and I would rather have Lampard than Wilshere.
Jones, sometimes plays there for the U21's. But tbf wasn't a real suggestion anyway he's much better at CB.

Edit: Oooh 666

let's not have another discussion about Lampard once he puts on an England shirt ok?

Walcott's pace alone puts defenders on the edge as soon as he gets its. Yes we all know his end product sometimes isn't the best, but before his injury there was nothing wrong with his decision making and I'm talking about in the England games he played, not even going to get into the ones with Arsenal.

Im not really a big fan of Walcott, but he has defo improved, he actually plays well for England now.

Shit England cockney posh toff spoilt brat fan cunts! Booing because of a 0-0 draw.

Tits.

The Afternoon's Hat wrote:Shit England cockney posh toff spoilt brat fan cunts! Booing because of a 0-0 draw.

Tits.

I don't know why the fans are booing, I thought they would have realised that they are an average footballing country

Luxz0rz wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Can England win anything with Capello? No
Can England win anything with the current generation? No
Can England ever win anything? Not unless there are drastic changes in the English football system.

Can Spain? Yes, they never get shit officials.

What does Spain have to do with this? Spain is miles ahead of England is considered by many the most talented squad in the world. Can they win anything? Yes, they have won the last 2 biggest international competitions in the world (World Cup & Euro). Did referees have an influence? Maybe. Referees influence everything and you could use that card on pretty much any team that wins a competition whether it be Spain, England's sole World Cup win, or hell even Egypt's three consecutive African Cups.

And I don't see why you are being defensive towards my previous post. I honestly don't think England can win a competition anytime soon based on quality. They might win one if they are lucky or running on very high spirit. And I don't think Capello is the problem. Many coaches have tried and failed with England. It's this generation of England players. The next generation of England players don't look any better and it spells another decade or so of failed attempts of winning a competition. There is very little that can be done for the current generation of England players. The young generation might be slightly saved. But if England want to secure a bright future for the team, they need to make drastic changes to the football system in the country. This will require a lot of effort by the FA and Premier League clubs.

On Rooney being dropped..

He's been shite for a while, but in his previous two games to this internationally he has 3 assists and a goal, and he also made a fantastic pass for Defoe's first v Bulgaria to Ashley Cole, tonight he was the only one getting in positions for chances, granted he should have scored, but at least he's getting in the right positions, he's nowhere near his best, but this isn't the time to drop him.

I thought he was poor positionally tonight, at least after Davies had come on. He won a lot of headers and Rooney was never in a position to latch onto the knock-downs.

kyro7 wrote:On Rooney being dropped..

He's been shite for a while, but in his previous two games to this internationally he has 3 assists and a goal, and he also made a fantastic pass for Defoe's first v Bulgaria to Ashley Cole, tonight he was the only one getting in positions for chances, granted he should have scored, but at least he's getting in the right positions, he's nowhere near his best, but this isn't the time to drop him.

I think he played well tonight, there goalkeeper pulled off some world class saves to deny him.

kyro7 wrote:On Rooney being dropped..

He's been shite for a while, but in his previous two games to this internationally he has 3 assists and a goal, and he also made a fantastic pass for Defoe's first v Bulgaria to Ashley Cole, tonight he was the only one getting in positions for chances, granted he should have scored, but at least he's getting in the right positions, he's nowhere near his best, but this isn't the time to drop him.

And who would you drop Rooney for anyways? Rooney is arguably England's best player. It would be a bit silly to drop him because he isn't performing like he does with Manchester.

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:Barry out
Glen Johnson out, but for who?

When everyones fit the team should look like this

Hart

G.Johnson
Terry
Ferdinand
A.Cole

Huddlestone (CDM)
Gerrard and Wilshere centre mid

Front three of Defoe, Walcott and Adam Johnson

Rooney's not struggling from any injury so as of now he should be dropped

Stick Phil Jones in at RB, he'd do a job.

:|Wilshere's creativity and Walcott's burst of pace which actually scares defenders. Jones at right back? has he played there before?

Ah yes, Walcott's burst of pace with no end product and I would rather have Lampard than Wilshere.
Jones, sometimes plays there for the U21's. But tbf wasn't a real suggestion anyway he's much better at CB.

Edit: Oooh 666

let's not have another discussion about Lampard once he puts on an England shirt ok?

Walcott's pace alone puts defenders on the edge as soon as he gets its. Yes we all know his end product sometimes isn't the best, but before his injury there was nothing wrong with his decision making and I'm talking about in the England games he played, not even going to get into the ones with Arsenal.

So instead, let's throw a 19? year old into Euro qualifying, good one

Walcott has played a couple of good games for Arsenal, 2 matches and 10 minutes for England this season how do we know it's not the same old Theo ? Yes, he can beat his man, we all know that but he lets himself down once he gets into good positions. I would much rather see Milner or one wing and Johnson on the other.

Jags.

Nightmare wrote:Jags.

Yup...because defence is our problem

--Hart--
--Johnson--Terry--Ferdinand--Cole--
--Barry--
--Carrick--Gerrard--
--Milner-----------Johnson--
--Rooney--

Carrick is the possibly the second best english passer there is.

Dan wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:No. Capello is a shit coach. I've said this before the WC, During the WC and especially after the WC.

You should have sacked him in July, and gotten a new coach. (This way, he would've been given more time to get ready for WC2014, with a slight chance of anything better than mediocrity in Poland.)

What has he done recently to prove himself? Nothing at all.

Managers get "passed" it as well, just like players, I feel Capello is passed it.

He is only living off his past reputation. People who believe in him are deluded and live in the past, much like scousers do. So it aint no surprise a Liverpool fan comes to object me.

NZG wrote:--Hart--
--Johnson--Terry--Ferdinand--Cole--
--Barry--
--Carrick--Gerrard--
--Milner-----------Johnson--
--Rooney--

Carrick is the possibly the second best english passer there is.

At his best, I absolutely love Carrick, but recently he's been absolutely shite, Huddlestone deserves the nod over him on recent form, and I can't stand Huddlestone.

NZG wrote:--Hart--
--Johnson--Terry--Ferdinand--Cole--
--Barry--
--Carrick--Gerrard--
--Milner-----------Johnson--
--Rooney--

Carrick is the possibly the second best english passer there is.

Carrick has been dire for a while now. Would be just as bad as Barry. Huddlestone should be given his chance, he more then deserves it and would be great in the England squad. He's matured greatly over the last season or so and has added alot to his game, including his defensive duties.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

Dan wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:No. Capello is a shit coach. I've said this before the WC, During the WC and especially after the WC.

You should have sacked him in July, and gotten a new coach. (This way, he would've been given more time to get ready for WC2014, with a slight chance of anything better than mediocrity in Poland.)

What has he done recently to prove himself? Nothing at all.

Managers get "passed" it as well, just like players, I feel Capello is passed it.

He is only living off his past reputation. People who believe in him are deluded and live in the past, much like scousers do. So it aint no surprise a Liverpool fan comes to object me.

Can we have a serious conversation without you bringing 'scousers' into it? You aren't even English, shouldn't even bother you. You're worse than the Mancs.

I'm sorry, but to call Capello a 'shit coach' is stupidity at his highest. Don't care if it's in the past, but you bring in a coach on what they have achieved in their career dumbass. One bad year does not make you a bad coach, especially when you've got an overrated team and expectations that are stupidly high.

I added the Scousers part seeing as the similarities are just so there! (Plus I don't like United or Liverpool)

Any idiot who has played a game of Football Manager would've done better with England than Capello did at the WC.

The idiot doesn't know how to change formations from the 4-4-2 which doesn't work for England nor in the modern game. I could go more indepth but I have to get ready to get some papers and shit.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:I added the Scousers part seeing as the similarities are just so there! (Plus I don't like United or Liverpool)

Any idiot who has played a game of Football Manager would've done better with England than Capello did at the WC.

The idiot doesn't know how to change formations from the 4-4-2 which doesn't work for England nor in the modern game. I could go more indepth but I have to get ready to get some papers and shit.

Trolling again?

Don't think we can win it with or without Capello, and we haven't got a full team of different players that are better..

But we could make improvements.

Dan wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:I added the Scousers part seeing as the similarities are just so there! (Plus I don't like United or Liverpool)

Any idiot who has played a game of Football Manager would've done better with England than Capello did at the WC.

The idiot doesn't know how to change formations from the 4-4-2 which doesn't work for England nor in the modern game. I could go more indepth but I have to get ready to get some papers and shit.

Trolling again?

This time no.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:I added the Scousers part seeing as the similarities are just so there! (Plus I don't like United or Liverpool)

Any idiot who has played a game of Football Manager would've done better with England than Capello did at the WC.

The idiot doesn't know how to change formations from the 4-4-2 which doesn't work for England nor in the modern game. I could go more indepth but I have to get ready to get some papers and shit.

Yea, but the difference between you and Capello is Capello has a real life cabinet full of silverwear. Your trophy case exists in a video game.

FM > real life.

FIFA 94>>>>>>>FM>real life

FIFA 98 Road to World Cup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything

menalawyerguy wrote:FIFA 94>>>>>>>FM>real life

:/

I won the World Cup on FIFA 94 with the USA. Thus, menalawyerguy>>>>>Bradley>Capello

Bradley rates higher than Capello because he told me he got the Republic of Ireland to the semis.

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:Barry out
Glen Johnson out, but for who?

When everyones fit the team should look like this

Hart

G.Johnson
Terry
Ferdinand
A.Cole

Huddlestone (CDM)
Gerrard and Wilshere centre mid

Front three of Defoe, Walcott and Adam Johnson

Rooney's not struggling from any injury so as of now he should be dropped

Stick Phil Jones in at RB, he'd do a job.

:|Wilshere's creativity and Walcott's burst of pace which actually scares defenders. Jones at right back? has he played there before?

Ah yes, Walcott's burst of pace with no end product and I would rather have Lampard than Wilshere.
Jones, sometimes plays there for the U21's. But tbf wasn't a real suggestion anyway he's much better at CB.

Edit: Oooh 666

let's not have another discussion about Lampard once he puts on an England shirt ok?

Walcott's pace alone puts defenders on the edge as soon as he gets its. Yes we all know his end product sometimes isn't the best, but before his injury there was nothing wrong with his decision making and I'm talking about in the England games he played, not even going to get into the ones with Arsenal.

So instead, let's throw a 19? year old into Euro qualifying, good one

Walcott has played a couple of good games for Arsenal, 2 matches and 10 minutes for England this season how do we know it's not the same old Theo ? Yes, he can beat his man, we all know that but he lets himself down once he gets into good positions. I would much rather see Milner or one wing and Johnson on the other.

What's his age got to do with this? Please amaze me with your reasons. It's people like you that fail to see that Lampard is a league 2 player once he puts on his England shirt. Wilshere is probably the most talented English youngster they've got coming up the ranks, he's had a good loan spell at a decent Premier League club last year (Bolton), he's got experience in the Champions League, he's been playing in the first team at Arsenal for pretty much all the matches and he's got confidence. Again please amaze me as to why a "19 year old" shouldn't be playing in a Euro qualifying match?

Just because you have some sort of weird hatred towards Arsenal doesn't mean you should down the fact that two of their players can assist the team in a positive manner, grow up seriously you're acting like a kid now.

Agree with the Lampard thing, shouldn't play for England.

I want to see Wilshere have a chance.

By the way Wilshere is not 19, he's 18.

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:

Chamz|94 wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:Barry out
Glen Johnson out, but for who?

When everyones fit the team should look like this

Hart

G.Johnson
Terry
Ferdinand
A.Cole

Huddlestone (CDM)
Gerrard and Wilshere centre mid

Front three of Defoe, Walcott and Adam Johnson

Rooney's not struggling from any injury so as of now he should be dropped

Stick Phil Jones in at RB, he'd do a job.

:|Wilshere's creativity and Walcott's burst of pace which actually scares defenders. Jones at right back? has he played there before?

Ah yes, Walcott's burst of pace with no end product and I would rather have Lampard than Wilshere.
Jones, sometimes plays there for the U21's. But tbf wasn't a real suggestion anyway he's much better at CB.

Edit: Oooh 666

let's not have another discussion about Lampard once he puts on an England shirt ok?

Walcott's pace alone puts defenders on the edge as soon as he gets its. Yes we all know his end product sometimes isn't the best, but before his injury there was nothing wrong with his decision making and I'm talking about in the England games he played, not even going to get into the ones with Arsenal.

So instead, let's throw a 19? year old into Euro qualifying, good one

Walcott has played a couple of good games for Arsenal, 2 matches and 10 minutes for England this season how do we know it's not the same old Theo ? Yes, he can beat his man, we all know that but he lets himself down once he gets into good positions. I would much rather see Milner or one wing and Johnson on the other.

What's his age got to do with this? Please amaze me with your reasons. It's people like you that fail to see that Lampard is a league 2 player once he puts on his England shirt. Wilshere is probably the most talented English youngster they've got coming up the ranks, he's had a good loan spell at a decent Premier League club last year (Bolton), he's got experience in the Champions League, he's been playing in the first team at Arsenal for pretty much all the matches and he's got confidence. Again please amaze me as to why a "19 year old" shouldn't be playing in a Euro qualifying match?

Just because you have some sort of weird hatred towards Arsenal doesn't mean you should down the fact that two of their players can assist the team in a positive manner, grow up seriously you're acting like a kid now.

Because compared to Lampard his experience means nothing, Lampard frequently gets played in a position (for England) that doesn't allow him to get forward as much hence why his performances are never that great nor the same as his performances at Chelsea , but now you are suggesting a formation he plays week in, week out at club level and which he excels at. It is obvious he still has the quality (see last season) so why if he's fit should we not play him there ?

I have no hatred towards Arsenal or Wilshere, I recognise the talent he has, but I see no purpose in throwing him in at the deep end. It's all about pressure, playing for England is different from playing at club level, great players struggle with the expectation (see Emile Heskey ) when there is no need to call him why should we ? You talk about Champions League experience ? What 2 games ?

All this thread is, is knee-jerk reactions, we don't beat Montenegro and it's the end of the world We're still in a great position to qualify so really I can't see what people are complaining about. I agree that we need to bring young players through, but I would much prefer if we did that in friendlies.