Williamson being poor with the ball at his feet is such a common misconception. His posture and general lankiness makes his movement look so awkward but actually his ball control is fine, if not better than any of our other central defender's ball control.
That's an epic fail of trying to debunk it Williamson is a tidy player on the ball when it comes to dribbling, surely you know that? His passing percentage leaves a lot to be desired, though. Sakho has good ball control and good passing stats aka he's not the donkey everyone thinks he is.
Keyser Söze wrote:Just seen the stats you're using to compare them
You guys are trying too hard It's clear you haven't really watched Sakho that much and are just going along with the ignorant narrative/misconception that he's poor on the ball based on his uncomfortable looking gait.
I watched that video you posted of you getting smoked 4-1 that you used to prove how good one of your defenders is. Apart from giving away a stupid free kick that put you 2-0 down he wasn't that good. His weighting of a pass was very poor, it got to where it was supposed to go but the receiving player frequently needed two or three touches to control it. His intelligence was also very low, he tried to dribble past a player early on and got tackled which almost lead to a goal and he constantly passed to players who were under pressure.
If you think that was an example of good defending or a good match from him you do not understand football.
EDIT: Just noticed the above video. That's another great example of poor decision making and another example of a poorly weighted pass. It's no wonder you're conceding about 50 goals a season in the league alone relying on chumps like him.
Keyser Söze wrote:I was talking about the other stats. But even if we take the 1st three, are you honestly saying Sakho is better on the ball than Terry, Pique and Silva?
The stats back it up. I've never seen Terry as being someone good on the ball. A great defender, yeah, but good on the ball? Nah. Haven't really watched Pique or Silva as much as Sakho, so I can't make an honest judgement there. I'd assume they're better than Sakho, but Sakho has less games, which might skew it ever so slightly. Pique, from what I've seen, attempts more dribbles then most defenders, so I presume that has an effect too? Perhaps the same could be said for Silva? I don't know.
You're missing the point anyway. I'm not saying Sakho is better than all these players. I'm merely addressing the misconception that he's poor on the ball. Players that are poor on the ball don't get the stats he does. Fact.
Theo Filippo wrote:
Scott_LFC wrote:
That's an epic fail of trying to debunk it Williamson is a tidy player on the ball when it comes to dribbling, surely you know that? His passing percentage leaves a lot to be desired, though. Sakho has good ball control and good passing stats aka he's not the donkey everyone thinks he is.
No it isn't, Williamson is a donkey.
Surprise surprise. More ignorant nonsense.
Theo Filippo wrote:
Scott_LFC wrote: You guys are trying too hard It's clear you haven't really watched Sakho that much and are just going along with the ignorant narrative/misconception that he's poor on the ball based on his uncomfortable looking gait.
Theo Filippo wrote:Oh great, now you're going to try and defend Williamson and pretend that he's a good player to try and defend Sakho.
Nah, you're full of shit if I'm to believe RR (Which I do) about that Sakho v Arsenal video you must've just hoped nobody would actually watch it.
Williamson isn't a great defender overall, but that doesn't mean he's not decent with the ball at his feet, which he is. You're missing the point entirely.
Keyser Söze wrote:I was talking about the other stats. But even if we take the 1st three, are you honestly saying Sakho is better on the ball than Terry, Pique and Silva?
The stats back it up. I've never seen Terry as being someone good on the ball. A great defender, yeah, but good on the ball? Nah. Haven't really watched Pique or Silva as much as Sakho, so I can't make an honest judgement there. I'd assume they're better than Sakho, but Sakho has less games, which might skew it ever so slightly. Pique, from what I've seen, attempts more dribbles then most defenders, so I presume that has an effect too? Perhaps the same could be said for Silva? I don't know.
You're missing the point anyway. I'm not saying Sakho is better than all these players.
But you're using Squawka and that's what those stats show. You've basically admitted those stats a shite.
ResurrectionRooney wrote:I watched that video you posted of you getting smoked 4-1 that you used to prove how good one of your defenders is. Apart from giving away a stupid free kick that put you 2-0 down he wasn't that good. His weighting of a pass was very poor, it got to where it was supposed to go but the receiving player frequently needed two or three touches to control it. His intelligence was also very low, he tried to dribble past a player early on and got tackled which almost lead to a goal and he constantly passed to players who were under pressure.
If you think that was an example of good defending or a good match from him you do not understand football.
EDIT: Just noticed the above video. That's another great example of poor decision making and another example of a poorly weighted pass. It's no wonder you're conceding about 50 goals a season in the league alone relying on chumps like him.
The stats back it up. I've never seen Terry as being someone good on the ball. A great defender, yeah, but good on the ball? Nah. Haven't really watched Pique or Silva as much as Sakho, so I can't make an honest judgement there. I'd assume they're better than Sakho, but Sakho has less games, which might skew it ever so slightly. Pique, from what I've seen, attempts more dribbles then most defenders, so I presume that has an effect too? Perhaps the same could be said for Silva? I don't know.
You're missing the point anyway. I'm not saying Sakho is better than all these players.
But you're using Squawka and that's what those stats show. You've basically admitted those stats a shite.
I said they could be slightly skewed due to the style of football Pique and Silva play and the fact Sakho has played less games (although the per 90 minutes version should mean that the games played doesn't make a difference).
The stats still clearly show that Sakho is in fact good on the ball.
Theo Filippo wrote:Oh great, now you're going to try and defend Williamson and pretend that he's a good player to try and defend Sakho.
Nah, you're full of shit if I'm to believe RR (Which I do) about that Sakho v Arsenal video you must've just hoped nobody would actually watch it.
Williamson isn't a great defender overall, but that doesn't mean he's not decent with the ball at his feet, which he is. You're missing the point entirely.
ResurrectionRooney wrote:I watched that video you posted of you getting smoked 4-1 that you used to prove how good one of your defenders is. Apart from giving away a stupid free kick that put you 2-0 down he wasn't that good. His weighting of a pass was very poor, it got to where it was supposed to go but the receiving player frequently needed two or three touches to control it. His intelligence was also very low, he tried to dribble past a player early on and got tackled which almost lead to a goal and he constantly passed to players who were under pressure.
If you think that was an example of good defending or a good match from him you do not understand football.
EDIT: Just noticed the above video. That's another great example of poor decision making and another example of a poorly weighted pass. It's no wonder you're conceding about 50 goals a season in the league alone relying on chumps like him.
But you're using Squawka and that's what those stats show. You've basically admitted those stats a shite.
I said they could be slightly skewed due to the style of football Pique and Silva play and the fact Sakho has played less games (although the per 90 minutes version should mean that the games played doesn't make a difference).
The stats still clearly show that Sakho is in fact good on the ball.
Again, do you think Sakho is better on the ball then Pique and Silva, because that's what the stats "clearly show".
Williamson isn't a great defender overall, but that doesn't mean he's not decent with the ball at his feet, which he is. You're missing the point entirely.
Liverpool should buy him to replace Sakho then.
Retard.
ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Scott_LFC wrote:
What a load of absolute shit.
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Be honest, have you watched the video?
Of course I have.
Keyser Söze wrote:
Scott_LFC wrote:
I said they could be slightly skewed due to the style of football Pique and Silva play and the fact Sakho has played less games (although the per 90 minutes version should mean that the games played doesn't make a difference).
The stats still clearly show that Sakho is in fact good on the ball.
Again, do you think Sakho is better on the ball then Pique and Silva, because that's what the stats "clearly show".
Are you fucking retarded? I've already elaborated.
Pique and Silva, from what I've seen, are much more attack minded footballers who probably attempt dribbles less conservatively than Sakho, hence their stats are probably a little skewed. They take more risks. Hell, I've seen Pique dribbling in the opponent's penalty area. You won't find Sakho doing that.
You've just proven why you're the fucking spack What you've described is context. Without context stats are worthless. You get context from watching them play. Watch Sakho play you'll see he's not good on the ball, regardless of what Squawka says.
Keyser Söze wrote:You've just proven why you're the fucking spack What you've described is context. Without context stats are worthless. You get context from watching them play. Watch Sakho play you'll see he's not good on the ball, regardless of what Squawka says.
I watch every single game he plays in, you spastic.
I understand that Sakho is pretty good for France, but how could you call him a great player for Liverpool when he hasn't really ever put in a great performance for you? Highly error prone and one of the worst cb's I've seen in the PL with the ball at his feet. Markovic has potential but nowhere near good enough to be playing regularly for a so called club challenging for the top 4.
You said yourself that he's good for France, so surely that means he's capable of putting in good performances when surrounded by better players? It doesn't help that we've been playing Gerrard in DM for the past 2 years.
Sakho being poor with the ball at his feet is such a common misconception. His posture and general lankiness makes his movement look so awkward but actually his ball control is fine, if not better than any of our other central defender's ball control. He's put in several good performances for us, including the away game against Arsenal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSrtYGgR-o8
(Actually watch the whole video before passing judgement on it. I know what the score was).
With the help of a proper DM, Sakho and Skrtel are more than capable of being a top 4 quality CB partnership.
As for Markovic, I think he's good enough to be playing regularly for a team challenging the top 4. He was played as a wing back for the majority of last season. In his natural position, he had some good games and with a run of games in his natural position (potentially replacing Sterling next season) I'm sure he'll show people what he can do.
In all honesty I didn't seen Sakho play much last season, but I remember the Arsenal away game very well and he was fucking awful in that game. If that's the best example you could come up with him being good for Liverpool then fuck off
I don't really understand Sakho. I think he's a decent defender, probably our best defender, and he is adventurous with the ball, but he has 5 minute phases in almost every game where he starts to play like a moron.
Glen Miller wrote:I don't really understand Sakho. I think he's a decent defender, probably our best defender, and he is adventurous with the ball, but he has 5 minute phases in almost every game where he starts to play like a moron.
He needs a more stable defence around him to iron out these things. I think he's one of the better defenders in the league.
Glen Miller wrote:I don't really understand Sakho. I think he's a decent defender, probably our best defender, and he is adventurous with the ball, but he has 5 minute phases in almost every game where he starts to play like a moron.
He needs a more stable defence around him to iron out these things. I think he's one of the better defenders in the league.
Since he came back from injury after the 3-0 lose to United he has been playing in stable defence. Him Skrtel and Can whenever he's played bar ~2 games where Toure came in for Skrtel.
Keyser Söze wrote:Since he came back from injury after the 3-0 lose to United he has been playing in stable defence. Him Skrtel and Can whenever he's played bar ~2 games where Toure came in for Skrtel.
Which resulted in our best run of games during the entire campaign. 13 games undefeated, until United beat us 2-1.
What's you point? Sakho still had brain farts during that run.
By your logic because you beat Spurs 3-2 during that run it must mean Sakho played well. No. He did this:
http://gfycat.com/DisfiguredPertinentChamois
Bar the 1st 2-3 games of the season, that run of games were the only time Sakho played in the PL this season, so anyone saying he's shite or has bad moments is basing it off that run.
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I agree with Ra's. Sakho is the last player we should be blaming for our defensive troubles, we have had so many morons playing in defense this year and he is the only one besides Can to come out respectably.
I agree with Ra's. Sakho is the last player we should be blaming for our defensive troubles, we have had so many morons playing in defense this year and he is the only one besides Can to come out respectably.
Exactly, although I think Skrtel has been good too, considering.
Keyser Söze wrote:
Lol running out of bullshit reasonings as to why Sakho isn't good.
Williamson is a tidy player on the ball when it comes to dribbling, surely you know that? His passing percentage leaves a lot to be desired, though. Sakho has good ball control and good passing stats aka he's not the donkey everyone thinks he is.
