Rooney Rule

Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has voiced his backing for the Rooney Rule to be implemented in English football as American lawyer Cyrus Mehri arrived in London to hold talks over the dearth of black coaches in the game.

On Tuesday, Mehri is expected to address the Football Association, Premier League, Football League and League Managers Association about the Rooney Rule - named after the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Dan Rooney, and established in the NFL in 2003 - which ensures at least one black candidate is considered for a managerial vacancy.

Taylor told ESPNsoccernet: "Yes, I would like the Rooney Rule here in England, and the arrival of Cyrus Mehri will be a big boost to putting together a plan that could achieve it. Cyrus won the battle in the States to compel owners of gridiron football to interview a black candidate whenever a managerial vacancy occurred, and I would like this to happen in this country.

"Cyrus was very much the man involved in getting the Rooney Rule implemented in gridiron football. He will talk to us about the effects of having more black managers in American football and how we can achieve it here in this country.

"Let's face it, it is still very sparse the number of black managers and coaches in this country. Although we do have Chris Houghton at Birmingham and Chris Powell at Charlton, we have to make sure there is a much greater opportunity for more diversity in our game.

"The PFA has worked hard over the years with the Premier League, Football League and Mangers Association on this issue. We want more black players staying in the game and moving into coaching and management.

"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching. I was in Bulgaria and if there was one big disappointment it was the crowd abuse of some of England's black players."

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

Black managers who are good and worthy of a managerial role will get the job. There is nothing stopping black people from becoming football managers, especially not racism.

i agree with lux although i do not know situation in england if there is a racism like this but to make a rule that there is compulsory to have black manager is racist itself even if the 'intention' is for the 'good' of football and morals

they used to have a rule in south africa rugby that there must be black player in the teams, eventually theblacks became as good as the whites, perhaps even better and they did not need such rule. those black managers in england should strive for the same

Ridiculous it should be whoever the club think is best for the job regardless, Shouldn't have to interview a black person just because there's a vacancy.

Chances are there are some very capable black managers out there, but the main problem is finding them.

If clubs discriminated managers because of race, then surely a lower club could snap up a top quality black manager because bigger clubs don't want him. Then he would help the club to perform above their station and probably move to a big club because they can't afford to discriminate when someone that good is available. It's impossible to tell how well a manager would do without first seeing them perform though, it's much harder to judge than with players.

Paul Ince

Mc Babel wrote:Paul Ince

Proved how wrong these guys are.

Did quite well with MK Dons, gets fast tracked to the Premier League because he was a great player.....maybe even because he was black and he got some publicity from that.

Then they realise that he's not ready and sack him.....proves the point that it's not about giving black managers a chance...it's about making sure they're good enough.

The FA needs to focus on ways to better motivate, encourage, and train black managers to become good managers.

Lux wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

Black managers who are good and worthy of a managerial role will get the job. There is nothing stopping black people from becoming football managers, especially not racism.

You clearly do not understand the Rooney Rule. It has nothing to do with FORCING anyone to give a black man a job. It's about employers being required to at least give a black manager a chance to interview for a job. It doesn't have anything to do with saying they MUST hire this person, it just means they should at least give the chance if the black manager is as qualified to apply as a white, hispanic, etc.

Ridiculous rule. Having to interview someone just because of their race is racist itself. It's singling a man out because of his skin colour. I really doubt a black manager would be happy being interviewed because of ethnicity and not his talent.

AriseForLife wrote:

Lux wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

Black managers who are good and worthy of a managerial role will get the job. There is nothing stopping black people from becoming football managers, especially not racism.

You clearly do not understand the Rooney Rule. It has nothing to do with FORCING anyone to give a black man a job. It's about employers being required to at least give a black manager a chance to interview for a job. It doesn't have anything to do with saying they MUST hire this person, it just means they should at least give the chance if the black manager is as qualified to apply as a white, hispanic, etc.

I'm pretty sure they are given a chance. It's just that there aren't many in England and most of the time there are better candidates available for the posistion.

Black coaches may get interviews, but you get jobs on talent. You get interviews because of talent maybe these black coaches don't have the talent that the other managers applying for the job have. It's not all got to be about the colour and creed of the applicant which means he didn't get a job/interview.

AriseForLife wrote:You clearly do not understand the Rooney Rule. It has nothing to do with FORCING anyone to give a black man a job. It's about employers being required to at least give a black manager a chance to interview for a job. It doesn't have anything to do with saying they MUST hire this person, it just means they should at least give the chance if the black manager is as qualified to apply as a white, hispanic, etc.

I understand that, derp.

The point is, obviously these black managers are not as qualified. Maybe in other parts of Europe where racism is a problem....but here I don't think so.

Why give someone an interview because of their colour? Most managers are hired because of what they have to say for themselves....qualification wise every manager needs to have the same qualifications to manage at the higher levels so that is not a factor. Many managers get appointed because they inspire the chairmen and have great plans for the club, tactics etc. Aidy Boothroyd at Watford...had no managerial experience but decided to apply anyway. The board loved him so much that despite much interest from many other experienced managers...they chose him. That could be the same for a black manager, if or when they are good enough, take the job seriously enough and prepare etc.

They wouldn't be turned down from a interview for their colour. The fact is that if this is implemented, then it will open the door to all kinds of other retarded things, most likely including further and undeserved preference to black managers.

AriseForLife wrote:

Lux wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

Black managers who are good and worthy of a managerial role will get the job. There is nothing stopping black people from becoming football managers, especially not racism.

You clearly do not understand the Rooney Rule. It has nothing to do with FORCING anyone to give a black man a job. It's about employers being required to at least give a black manager a chance to interview for a job. It doesn't have anything to do with saying they MUST hire this person, it just means they should at least give the chance if the black manager is as qualified to apply as a white, hispanic, etc.

Similar type of situation though. Every race should be treated evenly.
Personally if I missed out on a job interview to a guy that got it solely for the purpose of being black then I'd feel racially discriminated. Fucking shit rule.

The Rooney rule is to shag grannys and fuck a prostitute while your wife is pregnant

This Xabi has to be the worst member on here already.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous rule.

Mal wrote:This Xabi has to be the worst member on here already.

Thanks i appreciate such an acheivement, i had dreamed of this since i was a baby

Thing is -- it also helps break up the fraternity of coaches who keep on getting hired over and over again despite the fact that they were unsuccessful at previous jobs. Mike Tomlin is a guy who would have never been hired in the NFL before the Rooney Rule, but impressed enough during his interview to get the job -- and he's been to two Super Bowls in four seasons as a head coach.

It'll be great for small clubs, you'll get black people sending in letters saying

Dear Doncaster Rovers Chairman

I won the Treble 4 times with Doncaster on Football Manager, I feel I'm ready for the Doncaster Rovers job, and I would like to apply for the managerial vacancy

Regards,
Leroy Frimpong

Ps. I have black skin

And they'll be in with a serious shout for an interview.

Jamie wrote:Absolutely fucking ridiculous rule.

Agreed. A manager should be picked because he is the best candidate not because he is/isn't black. That ruling is actually quite racist as I'm sure black people wouldn't want to get a job/interview just because they are black.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:It'll be great for small clubs, you'll get black people sending in letters saying

Dear Doncaster Rovers Chairman

I won the Treble 4 times with Doncaster on Football Manager, I feel I'm ready for the Doncaster Rovers job, and I would like to apply for the managerial vacancy

Regards,
Leroy Frimpong

Ps. I have black skin

And they'll be in with a serious shout for an interview.

Someone did that for Middlesbrough...though they were white

The chairman even sent some long reply.

I'm thinking of the Ahmed rule next

@SubaSteve: What year was he interviewed?

He was interviewed in 2007. Although Rooney had already interviewed another minority before Tomlin was interviewed, he still might not have been interviewed before the rule.

Stupid rule.

Why limit it to at least one black candidate? Why not just say at least one minority? Anyways, this is a stupid rule.

Ridiculous rule, I don't think that any black person out there would be happy to get an interview based solely on their skin colour. If that person is qualified enough then eventually they will get the role.

Also I think that the lack of black managers atm is because the first black player to be capped for England was only in the 80's the reason there are few black managers is due to the lack of black players back then who could take the step into coaching. Nowadays there are plenty of Black players throughout all the leagues which obviously means that there are a lot more black players who are able to go into coaching over the next 10 or so years.

This rule does not need implementing and over the next few we will see a more "natural" rise in the number of black managers which I feel is a whole lot better than just forcing more black managers into the game.

Lux wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

"Let's face it, it is still very sparse the number of black managers and coaches in this country. Although we do have Chris Houghton at Birmingham and Chris Powell at Charlton, we have to make sure there is a much greater opportunity for more diversity in our game.

AriseForLife wrote:

Lux wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:"We still need to maintain vigilance on respect and anti racism on the field of play, but this also needs to move forward into management and coaching.

OK, so if that is what they want then they should stop trying to force people to give jobs to someone just because of their race.

Black managers who are good and worthy of a managerial role will get the job. There is nothing stopping black people from becoming football managers, especially not racism.

You clearly do not understand the Rooney Rule. It has nothing to do with FORCING anyone to give a black man a job. It's about employers being required to at least give a black manager a chance to interview for a job. It doesn't have anything to do with saying they MUST hire this person, it just means they should at least give the chance if the black manager is as qualified to apply as a white, hispanic, etc.

Well if they are equally qualified then they will be considered. No football club is going to hinder its own chances on racist grounds.

If there is a black manager good enough to be considered to manage a team, I'm sure he will be given as good a chance as any other candidate regardless of whether the rule is in place or not.