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TV acting tends to blow most big-screen versions out of the window, at least on the likes of HBO and ABC. How dare you use that as an insult.

SBSP wrote:12 Years a Slave and Mandela are going to be da gawd movies this autumn.

Agreed, especially when you consider the 2 best actors in the world will be playing major roles.

Elba & Cumberbatch, unstoppable.  

Frightening how rapidly their careers are still picking up, whereas Fassbender's just kind of....there. He's already given as much as he can give.

Cumberbatch was in a great television drama, he can't be a good actor

/GhoulLogic

Moriarty wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:And which great films has Elba been a part of?  His best work is in television where he belongs. Some people just aren't suited for the big screen, there's no shame in that.  I'm sure that the elderly will still enjoy seeing his work as they wait for the latest episode of Coronation Street. Fassbender, on the other hand, will be off working with the likes of Quentin Tarantino and Ridley Scott.

RocknRolla, Pacific Rim, Prometheus, plus a few others, but right now, he's cranking out brilliant movies a few times a year, which just shows how he is improving with every film-considering he's already reached a level Fenderbender will never attain, that's incredible.  

Is Tarantino channeling his bottled-up aggression into pornographic films now?   There is no wonder he sees Fassbender as just what the doctor ordered, he is always willing to demean himself to get a 7.5/10 on IMDB.  

Elba has dominated television by acting in the two greatest crime-related shows of all time-coincidence?   You wouldn't think so.  It's really pretty disgusting that you're resorting to hyperbole to strengthen your argument by acting as if Elba acts in working-class soap operas; he is the best, and he only acts in the best.

I'm pretty sure you haven't seen any of those three films but I'll choose to ignore that. I find it quite amusing that one of the three films you highlight stars Fassbender and in a more prominent role than that of Elba.  Also, Elba's finest simply don't compare to Fassbender's best material. Inglourious Basterds, Shame, X-Men: First Class and A Dangerous Method all blow anything by Elba out of the water.

Again, your persistence with this image of Fassbender as someone who is constantly involved in works containing gratuitous nudity is simply absurd. If you've seen Inglourious Basterds then you'll know that Fassbender does nothing of the sort.  And Tarantino's work is critically acclaimed, commercially successful and loved by general audiences so for Fassbender to get a significant role in a movie of his is a tremendous achievement, regardless of what your opinion is on his movies.

I don't really care about Television, it's pretty much a non-entity in my mind. There is a massive rift in quality between the mediums of film and television and it speaks volumes that Elba's best work comes in the weaker art form.

@SBSP - Gravity also looks phenomenal.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:I'm pretty sure you haven't seen any of those three films but I'll choose to ignore that. I find it quite amusing that one of the three films you highlight stars Fassbender and in a more prominent role than that of Elba.  Also, Elba's finest simply don't compare to Fassbender's best material. Inglourious Basterds, Shame, X-Men: First Class and A Dangerous Method all blow anything by Elba out of the water.

brb ad hominem
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Ra's al Ghul wrote:Again, your persistence with this image of Fassbender as someone who is constantly involved in works containing gratuitous nudity is simply absurd. If you've seen Inglourious Basterds then you'll know that Fassbender does nothing of the sort.  And Tarantino's work is critically acclaimed, commercially successful and loved by general audiences so for Fassbender to get a significant role in a movie of his is a tremendous achievement, regardless of what your opinion is on his movies.

I once asked you if Shame was a "glorified porno," and you said it was not. I then read the Wikipedia summary of the story and nearly clawed my eyes and brain out, even the descriptions of the scenes were too much.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:I don't really care about Television, it's pretty much a non-entity in my mind. There is a massive rift in quality between the mediums of film and television and it speaks volumes that Elba's best work comes in the weaker art form.

>doesn't care about television
>has television character in avatar
/GhoulLogic

"Get your filthy amateur hands off of me, Fenderbender."

Eternal Witcher wrote:TV acting tends to blow most big-screen versions out of the window, at least on the likes of HBO and ABC. How dare you use that as an insult.

Absurd.

Eternal Witcher wrote:Frightening how rapidly their careers are still picking up, whereas Fassbender's just kind of....there. He's already given as much as he can give.

Equally absurd.

Moriarty wrote:Cumberbatch was in a great television drama, he can't be a good actor

/GhoulLogic

Exception to the rule and there are a couple out there. The cast of GoT is really good but they are mostly young unknowns and they have to make their name somewhere. Then there are others like Steve Buscemi and Kevin Spacey who had already proven their worth in films before going off and working with the lower standards of television.

Ghoul logic is blowing everything out the water.

It's funny how one of either Elba or Cumberbatch seems to be in each of these "exceptions."

Moriarty wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:I don't really care about Television, it's pretty much a non-entity in my mind. There is a massive rift in quality between the mediums of film and television and it speaks volumes that Elba's best work comes in the weaker art form.

>doesn't care about television
>has television character in avatar
/GhoulLogic

I like the character in the books and I needed a visual representation for my avatar.

Also, how was that ad hominem when a) I said that I would ignore it and b) it provides insight into how meaningful your words are when you claim that three films that you haven't seen are "great"?

Ra's al Ghul wrote:

Moriarty wrote:>doesn't care about television
>has television character in avatar
/GhoulLogic

I like the character in the books and I needed a visual representation for my avatar.

Also, how was that ad hominem when a) I said that I would ignore it and b) it provides insight into how meaningful your words are when you claim that three films that you haven't seen are "great"?

>says he will ignore it
>mentions it to put me down
/scumbagGhoul

Most of the best actors of this generation made their name by the tv way. It's a tough way to break into the tyrannical hollywood hierarchy...which makes their achievements all the more inspirational.

Phadunkin Donuts wrote:My favorite celebration is now in FIFA 14. Game on.

:jizz:

Eternal Witcher wrote:Most of the best actors of this generation made their name by the tv way. It's a tough way to break into the tyrannical hollywood hierarchy...which makes their achievements all the more inspirational.

It's a bit like the Rickie Lambert beetroot story.

Moriarty wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:I like the character in the books and I needed a visual representation for my avatar.

Also, how was that ad hominem when a) I said that I would ignore it and b) it provides insight into how meaningful your words are when you claim that three films that you haven't seen are "great"?

>says he will ignore it
>mentions it to put me down
/scumbagGhoul

/a meme is born

Moriarty wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:I like the character in the books and I needed a visual representation for my avatar.

Also, how was that ad hominem when a) I said that I would ignore it and b) it provides insight into how meaningful your words are when you claim that three films that you haven't seen are "great"?

>says he will ignore it
>mentions it to put me down
/scumbagGhoul

You should be thankful that I ignored it. It frankly obliterates any credibility that you may have had regarding the matter.

When did Rascal Ghoul become so passive aggressive? EDubz and I are just trying to have an intelligent debate about the extent to which Elba is a better actor than Fenderbender and he chirps in with his snide and, quite frankly, hurtful comments.

Moriarty wrote:When did Rascal Ghoul become so passive aggressive?  EDubz and I are just trying to have an intelligent debate about the extent to which Elba is a better actor than Fenderbender and he chirps in with his snide and, quite frankly, hurtful comments.

Obviously someone feels like he has something to be in denial about.

Moriarty wrote:When did Rascal Ghoul become so passive aggressive?  EDubz and I are just trying to have an intelligent debate about the extent to which Elba is a better actor than Fenderbender and he chirps in with his snide and, quite frankly, hurtful comments.

Mf, I am sorry if you found my comments to be hurtful but you must recall that it is you who brought up this topic again unnecessarily. If you had just praised Elba without mentioning Fassbender then I would not have got involved. But I do genuinely apologize if you were offended.

Has Rei Andros ever had Fassbender in his avatar? I can't recall that ever happening.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Doing a biopic of a famous, unanimously loved politician, how desperate can you be?  Fassbender would never pander in such a pathetic manner to Academy voters. Despite that, I'm sure I'll have the last laugh when he bags the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for Twelve Years a Slave which has been garnering universal acclaim.

Hardly surprising. White American guilt.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:

Moriarty wrote:When did Rascal Ghoul become so passive aggressive?  EDubz and I are just trying to have an intelligent debate about the extent to which Elba is a better actor than Fenderbender and he chirps in with his snide and, quite frankly, hurtful comments.

Mf, I am sorry if you found my comments to be hurtful but you must recall that it is you who brought up this topic again unnecessarily. If you had just praised Elba without mentioning Fassbender then I would not have got involved. But I do genuinely apologize if you were offended.

This is probably just another cleverly disguised insult.  

I only brought up Fassbender because people talk of his being on the same level as Elba, Cumberbatch, Maguire, etc., and is probably the weakest of them all. It was perfectly relevant and it was not posted solely to annoy you.

I will let this one slide, but if you ever question my movie watching habits again, I will rip you apart. You will not comprehend what has suddenly hit you.

Yrael wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Doing a biopic of a famous, unanimously loved politician, how desperate can you be?  Fassbender would never pander in such a pathetic manner to Academy voters. Despite that, I'm sure I'll have the last laugh when he bags the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for Twelve Years a Slave which has been garnering universal acclaim.

Hardly surprising. White American guilt.

Agreed, Fassbender's an unctuous little cretin.

Yrael wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Doing a biopic of a famous, unanimously loved politician, how desperate can you be?  Fassbender would never pander in such a pathetic manner to Academy voters. Despite that, I'm sure I'll have the last laugh when he bags the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for Twelve Years a Slave which has been garnering universal acclaim.

Hardly surprising. White American guilt.

Agreed, even The Butler didn't do too bad, and that's a pile of faeces.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/why-im-not-watching-the-butler-12-years-a-slave

I'm not going to discuss hypotheticals about a movie that none of us have seen. Judging from the nature of Steve McQueen's two other films I very much doubt that TYaS attempts to exploit the white guilt aspect but I can't say for sure until I've seen it. I'm done for today. TY GN

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Moriarty wrote:

Phadunkin Donuts wrote:My favorite celebration is now in FIFA 14. Game on.

You had that as your sig for so long, right?

Lol yes. Pretty sure they only did it once. EA must be desperate for new celebrations.

You guys are srs about movies